Escapist Editors in the Midst of an Exodus?! -Updated-
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Well, legend tells that a young man named Tom Riddle once pursued the position, but he was refused the job. You see, no one has been able to hold onto the Editor in Chief for more than a year since that day.Neronium said:
OT: Okay, I'm panicking a little here. I've lost Spill.com, lets not lose the Escapist as well. I'm surprised, I was under the (mistaken?) impression that the site was doing really well. Then the last few months hit, and it's been pandemonium.
Since you took the insult out I will clarify what I will freely admit was a comment in bad taste. Firstly let me apologize for being as harsh as I was in my post, but I felt like she was an instigator and people who come to places just to start shit for any reason always get me angry.New Frontiersman said:
I love this site I have followed it since 2009. However ever since 2013 the due to both users, contributors, and even staff pushing various politics the happy go lucky attitude of the site has declined. It has declined due to people on the site having what I see as poison agendas. There was time when I wasn't intimidated by posting on any thread. Now with the increased toxicity and hostility in the wake of the events of the past 2+ years I often am intimidated to post.
In the Wake of the #GG firestorm what I saw was Carly writing articles which could be described as Gater-Bait. There was one point in which I noted that there were 7 roseofbattle articles the news forum all at once all of them with a ton of views/replies and most of the discussion within were flame wars. Most of the stories she put out from my view were more her stumping her own views/positions and less on actually reporting anything newsworthy.
Her writing skills weren't what I took issue with. What I took issue with is that I felt that she came to this site with an agenda. The majority of the articles she wrote during her tenure were in my opinion often inflammatory and divisive. As a result contribution to this site in my view has been to divide the userbase even more and to throw gas on the inferno that is gender politics in gaming.
With #GG losing momentum and its exile to R&P it seems like the site is starting to calm down a bit and her departure can only help that process. I know getting laid off is a shitty thing to celebrate since it happen to me in the past, but the I am seeing her loss and Tito's loss as a win overall for the site in general.
I love the irony of him calling out shonky journalism though. It's a statement so rich it could buy New Caledonia.Ishal said:
On-Topic, I hope that this isn't as sign of The Escapist following the Kotaku business model... well, more than it already is. We have enough clickbait as it is, I hope the new management focuses on more editorials and less trolling.
I'm on record as not being a fan of The Escapist's management post-Susan Arendt, but I will say that Greg Tito was at least better than Ben Kuchera, Brian Ashcraft and many other glorified bloggers on more popular sites. I hope he finds a place that treats him well.
Ummm, excuse me, but I was wondering if what at all that has to do with free generated content? Seeing as, by premise, it doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with game journalism ( which be fair isn't really the end all be all anyways). Web comics for instance would be nice to have more of, and most comic artists can push their own donation or paying method on the side to make up for profits. Then there could be the intrepid flash producer, those goofy top ten things tend to have a following, etc. There's tons of people with the skills to make content, and it being free or donated content means they can have a lot more leeway on their production times and scheduling (as long as the escapist is smart enough to not argue that it has sole rights to content. You get the work for free, you should be fine with rotating those out that get big enough to walk on or pay up when they're supporting whole fandoms).Breakdown said:
A lot of sites work like that, where each producer might make one or two videos or things a month, but the number of providers keeps the site at a good rotation on content. Hell, set each up by category, and have a end of the year contest where the viewers can vote on who gets to make partner.
The fact is, anything is better then watching that chart at the bottom of the front page wither up.
edit: I actually don't think more game journalism is necessarily bad either, just not the answer to this completely. I suggest getting a ring of competent journalists that do the leg work and run around, a few editorials and behind the scenes guys, and then round out your cabal with the carnival of collective content. As long as you keep the site broken into categories, you should be able to have just as much luck with tabletop games, news from around the world, science and tech, etc..
I haven't been here long enough to know everyone's name by heart, and what they did and didn't do, but I do know that this site has been my most visited site, as I have previously commented. That being said, and I pray that I do not come off as "that guy", should worst come to worst, and a vast majority of people leave the site's forums, I would like to be notified as to the location of said exodus so that I may continue to read the comments here and hope that I can be seen as one with an opinion that is well known.
I really do hope everyone is able to find a new job very quickly. It seemed like Ross had something lined up really damn fast, but everyone else...
Not sure about everyone else. :<
Not sure about everyone else. :<
Ugh, I made a topic on this MONTHS ago. I've never been unhappier about being right.Fappy said:
*points to a burn field fo ruin*
Congratulations, GG, you've won.
I disliked both sides of the debate by the end of the ordeal. It's just sad that everyone attempting to avoid the argument got brought down with the ship. Now The Escapist, which was pretty fair and open minded, is in tatters.
I didn't expect this to be relevant again so soon. Goodnight gents, may we see each other again on greener fields :'(
I finally had to look up this Gamergate thing. It took me two tries to get it right( unless you're talking about the digital distributor or the ant, which let's face it would have been awesome if all this was, was pro-ant versus anti-ant community leaning), but having read it I have to ask. What is this, specifically, personally invested to you. Personally.Fox12 said:
I honestly don't get how this can turn into a thing this big, as my personal philosophy is this. I play games for fun. I don't buy games based on other people's opinion (hence game journalism isn't nearly as important to me.) I can't eat, screw, or profit from gamergate, and unless you're more skilled, more kinky, or a spin doctor going on 6 months now, I can't see how this fire still burns or you profit by stirring up the ash.
One person. ONE PERSON bloody shut gaming journalism down, and turned everyone into an us vs. them mob. One. Can you imagine how this must look from an outsider's prospective, that someone calling someone else out for sleeping with someone else has created a spiral so big that it's lasted 6 months? By now everyone has a leaning and opinion, and I'm sure neither side is completely right as things are never black and white. Hell, I've noticed that it's spread to hold numerous different concepts under it's banner. A movement that means everything and nothing to everyone.
The guys that make money off of game journalism, they have a dog in that fight. It's their job to work at being better people, ethically speaking. It's them you can flock to or walk away from, but your choice and responsibility is only in the content you follow and the revenue you bring to them. They make something, you buy it (either with money or time). A lot of people are about to lose their jobs based on a fight they neither started or had any right to be in because the fans keep bringing it to their door. That.. That kinda needs to end people, I'm sure we're smart enough to know how insanity works. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It's been 6 months, and where you are today is where you'll end up in another 6 months. Everyone is already hard set, and you aren't going to break the mold by keep hitting it with a hammer (your personal opinion or belief).
The more "the end is nigh" posts I see, the more I realize is that as long as you keep taking the baggage with you, anywhere you lay your head will be in a cow pie, not home. Nowhere will be better or worse the the Escapist because you're going in dragging a lot of dead horses. And that place is going to stink just as bad soon.
You want things to be better, be better and help things grow positively. Shop freaking flag waving. Clap for those that do right. I dunno.. I just can't see how people keep pointing to each other on here and blaming their side for ruining everything.
That being said, this is about entertainment. I'm ready to see this site.. hell, a lot of sites finally brush themselves off and start turning their colosseums into playgrounds. To see new content grow for the sake of being enjoyable and not because they absolutely have to have a secret meaning or beef or political gain...
Can't we just sit down and watch a funny skit together, play a few games, and have some fun instead of sharpening our swords in wait for the next grand wank to have each other at our throats? Isn't it possible to find that here as readily as anywhere else if you sit down and try?
... I'm going to go watch a Feed Dump, then I'm going to go play a video game that I bought because I enjoyed the idea of it.
Likewise, if you know a good geeky forum for older people(I'm in my late twenties) and I really don't have anywhere else to hang out besides here. D:Fappy said:
OT: I think the end might be truly nigh people...got a nasty little pit in my stomach now.
Oh well, the ever prominent lurker that adds in some gibberish every now and again, must eventually leave the stage.
It's been fun, if Bob or Yahtzee were to start up a Patreon I'd happily invest. N'yeah you heard me right, even Bob, I like his comic book enthusiasm.
But yeah, gonna miss the ol'e girl first sorta forum I decided to join. I remember when I called the stripperific costume in Kill la Kill "power armor", ahhhh good times.
It's been fun, if Bob or Yahtzee were to start up a Patreon I'd happily invest. N'yeah you heard me right, even Bob, I like his comic book enthusiasm.
But yeah, gonna miss the ol'e girl first sorta forum I decided to join. I remember when I called the stripperific costume in Kill la Kill "power armor", ahhhh good times.
