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bdcjacko

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Lady Kathleen said:
HOLY BALLS. RANT INCOMING.

Back in the days of TV, we expected to get quality programming for free, but we understood that we got it in exchange for watching advertising. The ads supported the shows, and the people who worked the shows on them got paid decent salaries.
Nowadays, the internet is still trying to figure out how to make money for itself. The content is still free, but there is no implicit contract between the viewers and the advertisers.

So, while the system works itself out, advertisers are trying to put TV style ads with internet content (which is on the whole much shorter because no content creators can afford to produce TV length content as the monetization system just isn't in place yet) and we get complaints that the ads are almost as long as the video you want to watch. Things will sort themselves out in time. The internet needs to find the most efficient way to make money. Please stick with the ads.

Here's why:

When you use an adblocker - who are you hurting with this seemingly innocent act?

Advertisers? Yes, a little bit, they loose some eyes on their message.

Websites? Yes, a little bit, as they loose a fraction of a cent for each ad you don't see.

Content Creators and regular people? Yes! Why? Crap flows downhill my friend.

You? The most - read on.

The internet needs content - videos, columns, comics, porn, whatever. Without content, there would be no internet. I think everyone can agree people who create quality content should be paid a fair market rate for their time, but the money to pay for the content that drives the eyeballs to the site doesn't come from thin air. It comes in exchange for people seeing advertisements. (Or an equivalent - pub club members don't see ads because they've already paid for the content.)

If people don't see advertisements, the ads don't get clicks and don't get their message across. This means advertisers pay the websites less and less, and lose confidence in the internet as a marketing system because it doesn't really seem to work.

When websites don't make money, they close down shop (after all, a business isn't in the business of providing you free entertainment), lay off employees, and certainly can't afford to pay content creators fair value (or any value) for their work. Sure, content creators can work for free to do something they love (something I personally did for 7 years before LRR started working with the Escapist), but at some point, you have to give up a hobby that costs you money and time and find a real job.

Before you say I'm whining, keep in mind I do have a real job. I sit at a desk 4 days a week (my company is actually wonderful and supportive of my other job - LRR) so I can work Fridays, Saturdays, evenings (and sometimes Sundays) to provide you with free content.

So, when you block ads, you take away the money that compensates me for this work. You reduce the profitability of sites like The Escapist that are willing to pay me, (instead of expecting it for free as many sites do, as there's lots of content out there, and a website has to pay its bills and keep roofs over its employee's heads before it considers paying contractors like me) and you reduce my ability to make content until I get to the point where I say, "you know what, screw it, and go back to working 5 days a week because I can't AFFORD to do what I love" and I stop making internet funny times.

By refusing to pay for content or watch ads, you slowly strangle the creative people who make it for you. And you don't strangle the 14 year old kid who puts up stuff on his deviant art profile, you strangle the incredibly talented web-cartoonist who stops working on comics to do more professional illustration work. You strangle the really talented writers who go back to day jobs in marketing. You kill the best content by keeping its creators from getting fair compensation.

Sure, there's new content always being created, but the creators won't keep making it for you for free forever. Eventually, they'll have to grow up and move on with their lives. And who will be worse off?

YOU.

So holy shit, if you like an artist, buy a print. If you like ENN, watch an ad. If you like a writer, buy their book. If you refuse to pay for content, eventually there won't be an quality content for you to refuse to pay for.
Speaking as someone that does have ad block up, I do feel guilty for getting quality entertainment for free. Does buying merchandise from your store or Yahtzee's book even things out? I don't mind paying, I just don't like boring commercials. I honestly don't see the difference in skipping flipping channels on tv and radio when commercials come up and block ads on the internet. But I am willing to pay for entertainment.
 

tamaness

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ErodedFaith said:
I think it has to be a running joke that Paul's segments always have a typo (or several) of some sort.

They've done it too many times for it to be coincidental!
Dang. Now I have to go back and FIND THEM ALL.

Kathleen: thanks for the very well-written response to the advertising naysayers. I'll eventually pay for pub club, but I have other things I'd rather pay for first (Schlock Mercenary books, food, bills, etc.). Thankfully I can still watch an ad in exchange for the content I love.

In addition:
Seconded on the Dragon's Lair DBFH Auction. That would be immense fun to see all in one place.
 

Ashoten

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Ok so I apologise for giving the impression that I was mad at the escapist or any of it associates. I LOVE coming to the escapist website to see LRR and much of the other content on the site. I also think the escapist has done a good job of balancing advertising with content as appose to U-tube which does not. The add banners on the sides help I think. I was just hoping you guys could parody the whole thing cause I've gotten too worked up over it. Please don't hate me Kathleen I love your new haircut.
 

Digikid

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Two things.

It is spelled Xbox.......no hyphen.
It is spelled TRUSTWORTHY.

Editor was playing Bejeweled 3 again eh? LOL!!!
 

The Rogue Wolf

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God, I'm probably one of the only ones here old enough to remember when Dragon's Lair first came out in the arcades. Everyone was amazed at the lack of pixelated, side-scrolling content. We'd talk in school about how amazing it was to "play an actual cartoon."

Jeez... I'm old.
Yeah, you and me both.

"Dear Don Bluth,

I would like to inform you that it is currently the year 2010. And while many current games seem obsessed with quicktime events to the point of almost mimicking your stalwart animated classic, you are still running on the nostalgia of 30-somethings with more money than sense.

Love,
a 30-something with more sense than money."

bdcjacko said:
*insert comment about Kathleen wearing a death spank tong*
...mmmm-hmm. *dreamy sigh*

dex-dex said:
Graham in a deathspank thong? interesting. in a good way.
...uhm. No offense, but... erm. No?

I mean, if we have to put a male member of the ENN cast in a thong, what about Jeremy? He's at least, well, you know, "man-cute".
 

Formica Archonis

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ritchards said:
What is an "Armstead CPC"? I used to have an Amstrad. No idea what an "Armstead" is. Dammit, ENN, I demand a full apology!
Kinda sad that only one post commented on this. (Not an Amstrad user myself but I do read Retro Gamer religiously.)
 

dex-dex

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The Rogue Wolf said:
dex-dex said:
Graham in a deathspank thong? interesting. in a good way.
...uhm. No offense, but... erm. No?

I mean, if we have to put a male member of the ENN cast in a thong, what about Jeremy? He's at least, well, you know, "man-cute".
I will agree that Jer his rather dashing but I like Matt. but not in a thong.
 

Mosstromo

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"...but that's like making new games... right?". A bejeweled moment.
You can almost substitute "Bluth Games Studios" with "Nintendo", and that phrase still would work.
One more excellent episode!
 

bdcjacko

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Calibretto said:
bdcjacko said:
Lady Kathleen said:
HOLY BALLS. RANT INCOMING.

Back in the days of TV, we expected to get quality programming for free, but we understood that we got it in exchange for watching advertising. The ads supported the shows, and the people who worked the shows on them got paid decent salaries.
Nowadays, the internet is still trying to figure out how to make money for itself. The content is still free, but there is no implicit contract between the viewers and the advertisers.

So, while the system works itself out, advertisers are trying to put TV style ads with internet content (which is on the whole much shorter because no content creators can afford to produce TV length content as the monetization system just isn't in place yet) and we get complaints that the ads are almost as long as the video you want to watch. Things will sort themselves out in time. The internet needs to find the most efficient way to make money. Please stick with the ads.

Here's why:

When you use an adblocker - who are you hurting with this seemingly innocent act?

Advertisers? Yes, a little bit, they loose some eyes on their message.

Websites? Yes, a little bit, as they loose a fraction of a cent for each ad you don't see.

Content Creators and regular people? Yes! Why? Crap flows downhill my friend.

You? The most - read on.

The internet needs content - videos, columns, comics, porn, whatever. Without content, there would be no internet. I think everyone can agree people who create quality content should be paid a fair market rate for their time, but the money to pay for the content that drives the eyeballs to the site doesn't come from thin air. It comes in exchange for people seeing advertisements. (Or an equivalent - pub club members don't see ads because they've already paid for the content.)

If people don't see advertisements, the ads don't get clicks and don't get their message across. This means advertisers pay the websites less and less, and lose confidence in the internet as a marketing system because it doesn't really seem to work.

When websites don't make money, they close down shop (after all, a business isn't in the business of providing you free entertainment), lay off employees, and certainly can't afford to pay content creators fair value (or any value) for their work. Sure, content creators can work for free to do something they love (something I personally did for 7 years before LRR started working with the Escapist), but at some point, you have to give up a hobby that costs you money and time and find a real job.

Before you say I'm whining, keep in mind I do have a real job. I sit at a desk 4 days a week (my company is actually wonderful and supportive of my other job - LRR) so I can work Fridays, Saturdays, evenings (and sometimes Sundays) to provide you with free content.

So, when you block ads, you take away the money that compensates me for this work. You reduce the profitability of sites like The Escapist that are willing to pay me, (instead of expecting it for free as many sites do, as there's lots of content out there, and a website has to pay its bills and keep roofs over its employee's heads before it considers paying contractors like me) and you reduce my ability to make content until I get to the point where I say, "you know what, screw it, and go back to working 5 days a week because I can't AFFORD to do what I love" and I stop making internet funny times.

By refusing to pay for content or watch ads, you slowly strangle the creative people who make it for you. And you don't strangle the 14 year old kid who puts up stuff on his deviant art profile, you strangle the incredibly talented web-cartoonist who stops working on comics to do more professional illustration work. You strangle the really talented writers who go back to day jobs in marketing. You kill the best content by keeping its creators from getting fair compensation.

Sure, there's new content always being created, but the creators won't keep making it for you for free forever. Eventually, they'll have to grow up and move on with their lives. And who will be worse off?

YOU.

So holy shit, if you like an artist, buy a print. If you like ENN, watch an ad. If you like a writer, buy their book. If you refuse to pay for content, eventually there won't be an quality content for you to refuse to pay for.
Speaking as someone that does have ad block up, I do feel guilty for getting quality entertainment for free. Does buying merchandise from your store or Yahtzee's book even things out? I don't mind paying, I just don't like boring commercials. I honestly don't see the difference in skipping flipping channels on tv and radio when commercials come up and block ads on the internet. But I am willing to pay for entertainment.
You do realize you pay more for your internet then you do for your tv?
I for one will not pay for my online entertainment in terms of viewing videos, no one forces them to make it, once they stop someone else will step in. Im alredy paying for my " entertainment" anything more i dont see a need. I will happyily continue using adblocker, nuff said.
My internet cost less than cable.
 

Mydnyght

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Serafis said:
Sweet sweet reprints. Only 70 dollars for the entire collection of 1 game! Wow!
Sorry to break your heart, dood, but it's SIX payments of $69.95 (or was it $69.99? Make up your mind, fake-commercial!!).

And no, I'm not gonna dial 1-800-SPACE-ACE. Anyone dare to call that number, tell me what happens.
 

insanelich

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Calibretto said:
You do realize you pay more for your internet then you do for your tv?
Wait, what?

I do pay more for my internet than for TV, but that's 'cuz I don't have a TV. Internet connection is still cheaper than TV, and I could actually have 3 internet connections for the cost of TV.

... what?
 

LadyRhian

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Ah. Dragon's Lair. I remember when that game came out. I also remember Space Ace, Dragon's Lair 2 and Thayer's Quest- the last one being unusual because it had a keyboard instead of a joystick. Then again, my arcade also got a "Journey" video game, based on the band. And yes, it was just as hideous as you think it was.
 

Count Igor

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Why do people insist on getting suspended with early comments? ¬.¬
Anyways. Nice episode.
 

Lady Kathleen

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Calibretto said:
You do realize you pay more for your internet then you do for your tv?
I for one will not pay for my online entertainment in terms of viewing videos, no one forces them to make it, once they stop someone else will step in. Im alredy paying for my " entertainment" anything more i dont see a need. I will happyily continue using adblocker, nuff said.
Paying for internet is like paying for a TV licence (something they do in the UK, if I'm correct.) What you pay for the internet doesn't provide money to the people who put things on it. LRR also pays for the internet - using the bandwidth to upload videos, and to host our own website. I assure you, content creators pay a lot more for the internet than you do if they're uploading and paying for the distribution of high quality video. You're not paying for the entertainment, you're paying to be able to access the medium it's on.
 

RvLeshrac

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Lady Kathleen said:
Calibretto said:
You do realize you pay more for your internet then you do for your tv?
I for one will not pay for my online entertainment in terms of viewing videos, no one forces them to make it, once they stop someone else will step in. Im alredy paying for my " entertainment" anything more i dont see a need. I will happyily continue using adblocker, nuff said.
Paying for internet is like paying for a TV licence (something they do in the UK, if I'm correct.) What you pay for the internet doesn't provide money to the people who put things on it. LRR also pays for the internet - using the bandwidth to upload videos, and to host our own website. I assure you, content creators pay a lot more for the internet than you do if they're uploading and paying for the distribution of high quality video. You're not paying for the entertainment, you're paying to be able to access the medium it's on.
If only.

At least the money for a TV licence goes toward creating more content. The large amount of cash spent on internet access, in the US/Canada/Australia, at least, seems to go largely toward increasing the profit margins of companies which don't really DO anything.

The Aussie and Canadian objections to current-gen flash and video ads is that they eat into a (frequently) tiny allotment of bandwidth. Perhaps sites could take something from that and offer customers from IP blocks in more limited ISPs/countries the option to receive adwords, static banners, or other non-multimedia ads instead.
 

TheEnglishman

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Calibretto said:
You do realize you pay more for your internet then you do for your tv?
I can assure you, now that I'm no longer relying on my parents and make it my business to know how much things cost, I pay considerably less for the internet than I do for TV.

But I live in the UK, so things might be different.