European Union Takes On Microsoft: Updated

Feb 13, 2008
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European Union Takes On Microsoft: Updated


The European Union has accused Microsoft of violating EU antitrust laws. Time to fight!

Let's go to Bob and King for the tale of the tape.

In the blue corner, the challenger. Weighing in at 27 member states, an annual expenditure of €120.7 billion(2007), entering the arena to Beethoven's "Ode to Joy", the "Muscles from Brussels", the European Union [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union]!

In the red corner, the champion. Weighing in at nearly 90,000 employees and an annual expenditure of $60.42 billion, entering the arena to AC/DC's "Money Talks," the "Gates of Hell," Microsoft [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft]!

The ref is reminding both parties that this is going to be a nice clean lawsuit over whether Microsoft deliberately violates EU Antitrust rules by tying Windows operating system directly into Internet Explorer.

The EU has already said in a post-suit interview that Microsoft has eight weeks to respond to its finding, adding that it can defend its position in a hearing if it finds that useful.

That's right, Bob, and lets not forget back in 2004, where the European Court of Justice found Microsoft had violated EU antitrust rules by trying to damage rivals for server and media player software.

You're hitting the nail on the head there, King. The Court fined the company more than $600 million and ordered it to offer a version of Windows in Europe without the Media Player software and to share communications code with rivals. Microsoft appealed against that decision, but the judges upheld it.

Ouch, that's painful, Bob! Now we just have to wait 8 weeks for the lawyers to square off. That wraps up tonight's coverage, so from all of us here at ringside, good night, and God bless!

Source: USA Today [http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-01-16-microsoft-eu_N.htm?csp=34]

UPDATE: Hold on a moment King, before you go to the break we have some late news just in.

I'm just reading it now Bob, seems as though the EU are hoping to force Microsoft not to come to the ring just using Internet Explorer, but also to use Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari. Without it's own browser, Microsoft are going to have to react to anything these browsers are able to do; like Firefox's dazzling "Grease Monkey" move. Ooh, that's gotta hurt!

And what happens if Microsoft just tell the EU to "stuff it", King?

Well, here's the kicker, it'd forfeit a significant amount of its prize money back to the EU for every fight it has in the European Union.

Wow, that's a low blow King. We've got to wonder if the referee will allow that one. Especially as it's got a new fighter, "7", due out about the same time that the EU's ruling will come in. Until next time; good fight, good night!

Source: PC Pro [http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/245994/eu-could-force-microsoft-to-bundle-firefox-with-windows.html]

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Plinglebob

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2 things I can't help but notice with these anti-trust lawsuits against Microsoft. 1) Why is it ok for other companies to do similar things but get off scott free, most noticeably Apple. 2) If Microsoft took IE out of Windows, how would people download another browser? Or would Microsoft be forced to put a copy of a competitors alongside IE on a standard windows disk?
 

Break

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Plinglebob said:
2) If Microsoft took IE out of Windows, how would people download another browser? Or would Microsoft be forced to put a copy of a competitors alongside IE on a standard windows disk?
This is what I'm wondering. The EU can't be suing Microsoft for including their own internet browser with their OS'? What am I misunderstanding?

I mean, do they even sell hard copies of internet browsers in electronics stores?
 

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And to add this apple is doing the same thing (even worse) but no "Apple of violating EU antitrust laws". I think that entire world is a idiot that they think MS is the biggest antitrust.
 

Skrapt

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This is pointless, Apple and many Linux builds do the exact same thing so why isn't the EU slapping them? And before people talk about market share, antitrust laws don't only apple in cases of near market monopoly they apply to everyone.

Browsers aren't sold in stores so Microsoft has no choice but to package a browser with their OS. And just imagine the backlash they would receive by including all the major browsers with the OS, firstly you would have 1000's of complaints from people confused and unhappy with their choice and then you'd have people who could stand the idea that more pointless stuff is being included with their OS.

The only solution I'd be happy with is MS giving you the option of easily uninstalling IE.
 

Jharry5

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Apple do the exact same thing that MicroSoft is getting picked up on, and the EU does nothing.
Doesn't the EU have more important things to attend to, like the reccession?

It's hypocrasy like this that turns me further away from the EU...
 

Tiamat666

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Break said:
This is what I'm wondering. The EU can't be suing Microsoft for including their own internet browser with their OS'? What am I misunderstanding?
It's not just about "including" their own browser. That would be fine. It's about irrevocably "tying" the browser to the operating system, meaning that the Internet Explorer browser can't be uninstalled from the system and that it is used by default for various tasks, even if the user has installed a different browser.
 

Scorched_Cascade

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Skrapt said:
antitrust laws don't only apple in cases of near market monopoly they apply to everyone.
Cunning wordplay or just a freudian slip I had to point this out. :)

As for whether Microsoft breaks anti trust laws? I thought this was a given; along with every other major corperation that is does anyone actualy obey them?
 

cleverlymadeup

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Skrapt said:
This is pointless, Apple and many Linux builds do the exact same thing so why isn't the EU slapping them? And before people talk about market share, antitrust laws don't only apple in cases of near market monopoly they apply to everyone.
actually no linux builds do NOT do this, all the ones i've ever installed have offered at least 2-5 during the install process.

as for apple, well when they don't control their hardware and software it will apply to them. there is no way to legally purchase osx and install it on a dell or hp computer, you MUST buy an apple computer in order to legally install it.

the other thing is apple and linux have no where near the market share of m$. both are at about 10% each if not less, hence no monopoly
 
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Kudos to Cleverlymadeup for catching the vibe, it's about Monopolies rather than who does it and who doesn't. That's why the European court are stepping in due to the Monopoly registration. They've tried the same thing against Rupert Murdoch who owns Sky and some of the British Press. You can only dominate the market in one particular area (OS, Browser, Television, Radio, Newspapers) or you could use your market leader to push the other area to prominence.

Apple would get called up if they started to dominate the mobile phone market, as an example. At the moment, their highest profile is Macintosh's, which doesn't monopolize anything AFAIK.
 

Daymo

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Pyronox said:
Break said:
Plinglebob said:
2) If Microsoft took IE out of Windows, how would people download another browser? Or would Microsoft be forced to put a copy of a competitors alongside IE on a standard windows disk?
This is what I'm wondering. The EU can't be suing Microsoft for including their own internet browser with their OS'? What am I misunderstanding?

I mean, do they even sell hard copies of internet browsers in electronics stores?
This.

My guess is that since this claim is so blatantly RETARDED Microsoft could sue the European Union for wasting it's damn time. It could've used that time making me an Xbox 720 for god sakes.
Or fix RROD

And on topic, this claim seems stupid, Microsoft doesn't stop you from downloading other web browsers and I have never been forced to use IE for anything, Microsoft's just giving itself an advantage by making it the default browser.
 

Cousin_IT

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The point of this case (which FYI was brought to the EUs attention by Opera last year) is that while Microsoft dont force you to use IE, currently it is the only option you have available to you when you install windows. The point is that at the point of installation/purchase, Microsoft have a complete monopoly on all software available to the consumer. Now chances are theyll end up with a big fine & just do what they did with Windows Media Player (offer a package without WMP that no1 buys because thats pointless but circumvents the anti-trust laws). Far as I can see the EU want it so that the consumer has the option has the option to install competing browsers at the point of installation; not afterwards. That & of course with a software monopoly like they have Microsoft could just pull a dick move & make their competitors products incompatible with Windows. Not likely that they would but anti-trust laws are there to ensure corporations can't do that, rather than have to rely on their good faith.

Apple doest count because it is hardware & software exclusive. Now if the Apple OS were to work with PC's, then they could fall under the same category. Or such is my understanding