Yeah, but only here you can loose all cash you have been investing in a firm for 4 years.Specter_ said:Isn't that the maxim of all mmorpgs?elmaxx said:A friend of mine that plays this a lot says:
the maxim of this game is: Trust no one.
But this has been in all MMOs already.Jursa said:Mmorpgs... you can now get screwed in both of your lives...
But then again I'd call it your own fault if you invested all your money in just one company. Just like in real life...Abedeus said:Yeah, but only here you can loose all cash you have been investing in a firm for 4 years.Specter_ said:Isn't that the maxim of all mmorpgs?elmaxx said:A friend of mine that plays this a lot says:
the maxim of this game is: Trust no one.
And have hundreds of people complaining, because someone stole their cash and you didn't stop him.
Ok, in the former post the Redbedlam founder talked about building a strong economy so that Gold Farmers would have to risk economic instability, which was poo-poo'ed. But here the strength of Eve's economy protects itself versus a very similar attack and it's lauded. I'm just not getting the difference; especially as Xabier could easily sell the money on.Indigo_Dingo said:I'm not following your point.The_root_of_all_evil said:Doesn't an economy that can withstand this without having to employ dozens of Farmer-Deleters seem somewhat better though?Indigo_Dingo said:Difference between muggers and pirates man. They're still as bad, but he just has far more flair.The_root_of_all_evil said:......
I'm astonished at this. Gold Farmers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/88832-Gold-Farmers-Need-To-Be-Embraced] are TEH EBIL!, but Gold Hijackers are cool dudes?
So a game that has a robust economy unlike EQ or WOW...Uh?
Can someone explain this dichotomy of thought?
No. He stole it with Pancake.The_root_of_all_evil said:Ok, in the former post the Redbedlam founder talked about building a strong economy so that Gold Farmers would have to risk economic instability, which was poo-poo'ed. But here the strength of Eve's economy protects itself versus a very similar attack and it's lauded. I'm just not getting the difference; especially as Xabier could easily sell the money on.Indigo_Dingo said:I'm not following your point.The_root_of_all_evil said:Doesn't an economy that can withstand this without having to employ dozens of Farmer-Deleters seem somewhat better though?Indigo_Dingo said:Difference between muggers and pirates man. They're still as bad, but he just has far more flair.The_root_of_all_evil said:......
I'm astonished at this. Gold Farmers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/88832-Gold-Farmers-Need-To-Be-Embraced] are TEH EBIL!, but Gold Hijackers are cool dudes?
So a game that has a robust economy unlike EQ or WOW...Uh?
Can someone explain this dichotomy of thought?
Is it just that he stole with panache rather than milking it?
Less of your wafflesmallharmlesskitten said:No. He stole it with Pancake.The_root_of_all_evil said:Is it just that he stole with panache rather than milking it?
But it's rather toasty in here isn't it?The_root_of_all_evil said:Less of your wafflesmallharmlesskitten said:No. He stole it with Pancake.The_root_of_all_evil said:Is it just that he stole with panache rather than milking it?![]()
80 billion ISK is one of those magic numbers. It is more than a lot of players will ever see, but for some of us it is pocket change.Break said:Hell yes. This kind of thing makes me want to play EVE.It takes balls to let this kind of thing go on, but the success of EVE Online is proof that this is exactly the action some players are looking for.
Exactly what can a ex-investments manager do with 80 million ISK?
Despite what you think, this isn't the case. Tyrrax Thorrk was one of the main instigators beind the world-famous Guilded Hand Social Club scam, and even now he still steals some of the top end ships and items in the game from unsuspecting people. His total value in thefts has hit over 300billion. And yet, he is one of the most respected players in EVE (if not trustworthy).Fineldar said:It's cool and all, and fun to do if your actually running a scam, not just withdrawing large sums from the bank vault, but what's the point? What could he possibly use that money for? He's pretty much won the game at this point.
He can't even play, since the entire game is PvP and you lose your shit when you die. Everyone would blow him up if they see him.
If your computer is younger than 4 years, you can run it.CountFenring said:This is why I would play EVE if my computer could run it.
The difference is that Gold Farmers have hold of literally Trillions [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Sandra_Dickinson_as_Trillian.jpg] of isk, and with as many people buying it as they do (it is unfortunate and they do get caught but) there is a lot more cash comming out of thin air than there is in circulation, causing a bit of inflation.The_root_of_all_evil said:......
I'm astonished at this. Gold Farmers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/88832-Gold-Farmers-Need-To-Be-Embraced] are TEH EBIL!, but Gold Hijackers are cool dudes?
So a game that has a robust economy unlike EQ or WOW...Uh?
Can someone explain this dichotomy of thought?
Here you go [http://www.wirm.net/nightfreeze/part1.html].Samah said:Ah I remember reading that one too... I must look for it at some stage. Almost as good as the P-P-P-Powerbook [http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/]!Blank__ said:Neat stuff. I recall reading a lengthy story/narrative about a guy who scams a bunch of investors out of several billion dollars worth of ingame stuff, including blueprints for a Battleship (..? I think it was whatever ship was most expensive back then). The lengths he went to to secure the money was incredible to read about; he even had to run to a local library to receive a call in the porn section from a skeptical, would-be investor! In the end, he couldn't figure out what to do with all the cash/guilt he had accumulated and randomly dumped it all on some n00b. Very well written stuff.
If anything the main difference is that Gold farmers work outside the rules of the game, they use 3rd party programmes to farm their piles of treasure whilst other gamers suffer a time to money ratio.bkd69 said:The main difference, I think, is that in conventional MMORPGs, the "economy" is little more than a rudimentary market, that's really an addon to the core gameplay, so any economic activity that takes place outside of those basic markets really comes down to metagaming.
In Eve, on the other hand, CCP's non-intervention in the economy has allowed a highly sophisticated financial market to grow that comprises a core gameplay element.
Simple, they make money from loan interest, and people who use the banks get interest on their isk, which in turn makes more isk and so on.Tyran107 said:Wow that's hillarious, and also why I don't play eve anymore. But I'm kind of confused, is there like a limit on how much your in game "bank" account that your character has can hold or something?(i never got into the uber amounts of cash) Cause I'm confused as to why there are player run banks cause I've been pod killed before but I still had all my shit (well other than my ship of course).
That's metagaming.Wizzie said:If anything the main difference is that Gold farmers work outside the rules of the game, they use 3rd party programmes to farm their piles of treasure whilst other gamers suffer a time to money ratio.bkd69 said:The main difference, I think, is that in conventional MMORPGs, the "economy" is little more than a rudimentary market, that's really an addon to the core gameplay, so any economic activity that takes place outside of those basic markets really comes down to metagaming.
In Eve, on the other hand, CCP's non-intervention in the economy has allowed a highly sophisticated financial market to grow that comprises a core gameplay element.
This player seemingly worked within the "Laws" of the game, he didn't use 3rd party programmes (That we know of) and still ended up walking away with a giant sum of money.