EVO 2020 is cancelled, and not because of COVID.

[Dreiko]

Evo is one of those things that has been a cornerstone for the community but because it stems from games I wasn't a fan of and gave those series preferential treatment I never much cared for it. In later years it also became more of a fighting game convention than just the biggest tourney of the year so it had things like panels and whatnot, lots of normies who never played much would go to it just to do irrelevant things like party and so on. So yeah, I'm more annoyed by the smearing this causes the scene rather than by any inconvenience at losing evo. I remember hearing rumors back when they stole some part of the money they were were getting as donations for cancer charity and the game that had people donate the most on its behalf would get a spot in the main stage so hearing Mr. Wizard had a questionable past with young boys isn't shocking in the least.

Part of me wants to just shake my head at the capcom community but it isn't just them, there was this stuff about the smash community too where this (female in this case) commentator was grooming and molesting this 14 year old kid, then you have Shinku just being a general creep in the BBTAG scene and letting clout get to his head.

Basically, just play the damn game and have a life outside of the FGC too, if you're in this for partying or chicks or clout, you're doing fighters wrong.

 

[BrawlMan]

Evo is one of those things that has been a cornerstone for the community but because it stems from games I wasn't a fan of and gave those series preferential treatment I never much cared for it. In later years it also became more of a fighting game convention than just the biggest tourney of the year so it had things like panels and whatnot, lots of normies who never played much would go to it just to do irrelevant things like party and so on. So yeah, I'm more annoyed by the smearing this causes the scene rather than by any inconvenience at losing evo. I remember hearing rumors back when they stole some part of the money they were were getting as donations for cancer charity and the game that had people donate the most on its behalf would get a spot in the main stage so hearing Mr. Wizard had a questionable past with young boys isn't shocking in the least.

Part of me wants to just shake my head at the capcom community but it isn't just them, there was this stuff about the smash community too where this (female in this case) commentator was grooming and molesting this 14 year old kid, then you have Shinku just being a general creep in the BBTAG scene and letting clout get to his head.

Basically, just play the damn game and have a life outside of the FGC too, if you're in this for partying or chicks or clout, you're doing fighters wrong.

That's the thing, the gaming community in general has a habit of letting in these sociopaths or allowing them get away with this shit for money, fame, or to have connections. I play games just to have fun, not be an asshole or to get on a platform to force my beliefs on everyones, or expect everyone to suck my dick for being a good video games or a specific game. If the FGC want to really improve, I expect them drop the people you just mentioned, weed them out, banned them, and turn them over to the police. Get people who act like actual fucking human beings. Not people acting like they're not human or above humanity, until they get caught in the act and start crying crocodile tears.

 

[Jarrito3002]

I don't think they have good enough taste to be closeted fans. More likely they are either 12 year old boys that are easily triggered, or 40 year old 4chan edgelords that are also easily triggered.

As time goes on I am started to learn that people with irrational hate are closet secret fans lashing out they are just assclown. Learned this after while especially when concerning homophobia.

 

[Worgen]

As time goes on I am started to learn that people with irrational hate are closet secret fans lashing out they are just assclown. Learned this after while especially when concerning homophobia.

Hmm, maybe.

 

[Houseman]

I bet some of the ones threatening you are closet pony fans and full of self hatred.

As time goes on I am started to learn that people with irrational hate are closet secret fans lashing out they are just assclown. Learned this after while especially when concerning homophobia.

Coincidentally, this Joey Cuellar guy who runs EVO is also responsible for pulling a dead or alive stream because it was too sexy, with the infamous "this does not represent our core values" tweet.

There's some merit to the idea that people have to grandstand and loudly virtue signal in order to hide their own shame and guilt, as if to create some kind of ideological alibi.

 

[Dreiko]

That's the thing, the gaming community in general has a habit of letting in these sociopaths or allowing them get away with this shit for money, fame, or to have connections. I play games just to have fun, not be an asshole or to get on a platform to force my beliefs on everyones, or expect everyone to suck my dick for being a good video games or a specific game. If the FGC want to really improve, I expect them drop the people you just mentioned, weed them out, banned them, and turn them over to the police. Get people who act like actual fucking human beings. Not people acting like they're not human or above humanity, until they get caught in the act and start crying crocodile tears.

See, there's room for dick-sucking, but it better be related to the actual game. Just because you're the best heart surgeon in the world that doesn't mean you know how to fly a plane too. Too often you have the tendency to expand people's very narrow expertise into other unrelated areas.

Basically what you have is a bunch of clout satelites and thotportunists, too cowardly or corrupt and self-interested to say anything to the big dick asshole of the moment and enabling them, until they get so out of hand that someone with integrity or who is not as into the cult of personality gets affected and they speak out.

This is like what happened to rock stars back in the day where fame would get to their head and they'd act a fool because a small community tolerated it and then that smears everyone.

 

[BrawlMan]

Coincidentally, this Joey Cuellar guy who runs EVO is also responsible for pulling a dead or alive stream because it was too sexy, with the infamous "this does not represent our core values" tweet.

There's some merit to the idea that people have to grandstand and loudly virtue signal in order to hide their own shame and guilt, as if to create some kind of ideological alibi.

I am very familiar with that. Some users on the V1 thread gave me shit for caliing out the huge double standard/hypocripsy. That only further proves my point. If you're gonna get rid of DOA, you might as well get rid of most of the fighters that have some type of fan service. Pulling DOA was the equivalent of giving a speeding ticket at the Indy 500.

 

[BrawlMan]

See, there's room for dick-sucking, but it better be related to the actual game.

I agree with everything you said, but that it how shit like this starts. It usually or might start gameplay related, but turns to other areas or nothing related to said game(s).

I will complement said person, he or she, on their gameplay, but I won't take it any further than that. I am not one to feed peoples egos, regardless if I know them personally or not. And I am not accusing you of that either, I just wanted to make a statement.

 

[Dreiko]

Yeah I was more tongue-in-cheek with that particular remark. It's more of something that you do as part of shit talking, you build someone up so you have this sense of accomplishment when you beat them or you can brag to your low rank friends that you know this dude who is super good. Harmless stuff like that.

It should really never get to the toxic or pathological level we're seeing here. I mean, it's just WEIRD if you are in that place and are a normal person. I've won tourneys weekly for like a year and a half straight and if I didn't get someone try to criticize something from my play at least a couple times each day it'd feel weird. Living in some environment where everyone is a sycophant isn't really even the real community at all at this point.

I felt bad for TFH. That get a chance to sign on the big stage because big companies with legacy franchise can't get a fucking netcode and online stability right but you know who can an "OC please don't steal or sue us" MLP game can make this happen. I was looking forward to this EVO giving some of the small guys a shot which will suck cause they will fall back in the trap when reopening can start.

I played this game when it was on showcase at an anime convention back when it was a real pony doujin game, before hasbro sicced its lawyers at them. It was a pretty early stage alpha version but you could see potential so to see it reach this stage after all the trials and tribulations and then get blocked right at the end definitely feels unfair. And I absolutely have no interest in ponies nor do I understand why people like them. I'm old enough to remember the original series so that may be it haha. Either way though, I like a whole bunch of weird anime series so I'm all for people who like this to get their hoof on or what have you .

 

[Jarrito3002]

Coincidentally, this Joey Cuellar guy who runs EVO is also responsible for pulling a dead or alive stream because it was too sexy, with the infamous "this does not represent our core values" tweet.

There's some merit to the idea that people have to grandstand and loudly virtue signal in order to hide their own shame and guilt, as if to create some kind of ideological alibi.

I will take the virtue signaling with a grain of salt and more a generic company statement that means shit. That DoA stream was embarrissing to watch. Like if people it sexy good on them but it made me want to turn away not in shame of sexuality but in more of a what are you doing. Besides DoA as a series would of been in the bad netcode trash bin anyway unless that got fixed it has been a minute. Last good one was 4 anyway.

 

[Cicada 5]

I've already seen a lot of Dead or Alive fans expressing schadenfreude over this. As if this news invalidates compalints over that infamous livestream or fixes DOA's reputation as glorified softcore porn.

This. I was not expecting the prez of EVO be a child molester, but if the event has to be shutdown, so be it.

And that barely makes sense I've seen plenty of guys like Sailor Moon, Card Captor Sakura, or the Powerpuff Girls (1998 original) with little to no complaints. Especially the last show. What makes these three so special, while MLP becomes the pariah? I am not even a fan of MLP.

From what I've gathered the male MLP fans have something of a reputation for being creeps with at least one major fan having been revealed to be a sexual predator.

 

[ObsidianJones]

That's the thing, the gaming community in general has a habit of letting in these sociopaths or allowing them get away with this shit for money, fame, or to have connections. I play games just to have fun, not be an asshole or to get on a platform to force my beliefs on everyones, or expect everyone to suck my dick for being a good video games or a specific game. If the FGC want to really improve, I expect them drop the people you just mentioned, weed them out, banned them, and turn them over to the police. Get people who act like actual fucking human beings. Not people acting like they're not human or above humanity, until they get caught in the act and start crying crocodile tears.

And here's the thing. This is why I get upset at people who get upset at Cancel Culture.

Because it would legitimately have not been a thing if people just acted like human beings to each other.

When was the first time someone accused Bill Cosby? Try 1965.

Harvey Weinstein, Jeff Epstein, Roman Polanski, Jimmy Savile, Peter Nygard... people know about these things. It takes logistics to talk to the victims, give them hush money, and watch over them to make them feel not like talking.

These things are accepted. People tell others to get a thicker skin. If you didn't want it, you could have gone away. You're trying to get money, why are you bringing up the past... People are trying to keep it all buried. Because either they can benefit from the situation or they can benefit from the peace of mind that they don't have to do anything to be a better person. Just pretend it doesn't exist and we can all get along fine.

Cancel Culture will not get everything right. Like with Projared, and seemingly like with Angry Joe. It's a Tomahawk Missile, not a precision scalpel. But the issue of it is, all it took was people to be humans in the past and to allow people to actually seek justice. There are people who rather not deal with the messy repercussions of horrible people, and they make the situation worse.

 

[BrawlMan]

From what I've gathered the male MLP fans have something of a reputation for being creeps with at least one major fan having been revealed to be a sexual predator.

A few creeps don't cover the entire community. I don't know every person in the entire MLP community. The ones I have met or seen were generally pretty cool. I know about the one fan that's a sexual predator, but from what I remember, once the community found out, they wanted nothing to do with him. Not to mention, there is always a creepy section of fans in any fanbase, it's just a matter if you bother to acknowledge it or not.

 

[Aiddon]

-Has already seen people claim companies are only doing this because of netcode-

Fuck off and never come back.

Fucking hell, this has been incubating too damn long. I always knew there was going to be some reckoning at some point (remember the Street Fighter X Tekken debacle?) but I never expected EVO's co-founder to be a mega predator. If EVO manages to come back next year, they're gonna have to make it obvious that there have been major overhauls to accountability and transparency.

 

[Worgen]

Fucking hell, this has been incubating too damn long. I always knew there was going to be some reckoning at some point (remember the Street Fighter X Tekken debacle?) but I never expected EVO's co-founder to be a mega predator. If EVO manages to come back next year, they're gonna have to make it obvious that there have been major overhauls to accountability and transparency.

Isn't the fighting game community more open then most gaming communities? I mean their best player is a gay black furry who plays in full fursuit.

 

[SilentPony]

Isn't the fighting game community more open then most gaming communities? I mean their best player is a gay black furry who plays in full fursuit.

Well if whats going on in the youtube makeup community is anything to go by being gay is not proof against scandal or accusations of abuse. Lets hope he was on the up and up the entire time

 

[Houseman]

Related: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-46166-001

Seems like people who virtue signal and people who are trying to hide something or manipulate others.

 

[Dreiko]

I've already seen a lot of Dead or Alive fans expressing schadenfreude over this. As if this news invalidates compalints over that infamous livestream or fixes DOA's reputation as glorified softcore porn.

From what I've gathered the male MLP fans have something of a reputation for being creeps with at least one major fan having been revealed to be a sexual predator.

No man, DoA is a real fighting game. It's completely unfair to treat it like it's something on the level of Senran Kagura. You may not have delved into the mechanics of the game but they've always been solid and serious, not an excuse to just have provocative poses.

The complaints are invalid because they make it seem as though the DoA gameplay experience is notably different than that of other 3D fighting games, because it also has a gallery mode and a spinoff beach voleyball game. Tekken 3 had a beach voleyball minigame too, people didn't judge it based on that.


It basically comes off as either very deeply ignorant about what matters in a fighting game or hypocritical to the max to single it out.


And sure, I bet some major predator also drinks water or sleeps on a bed, that's no reason to smear entire groups of people lmao.

 

[Jarrito3002]

Isn't the fighting game community more open then most gaming communities? I mean their best player is a gay black furry who plays in full fursuit.

SonicFox is the biggest catch 22 in fighting games. There is this idea that as long as your good it does not matter. This is true but with SonicFox he shows who actually means it and those who use it as a deflection to not get called out for being ass clown people different from them.

SonicFox can obnoxious but I mostly find it midly amusing obnoxious and he annoys people that annoy me so its a win win.

 

[Cicada 5]

-Has already seen people claim companies are only doing this because of netcode-

Fuck off and never come back.

Fucking hell, this has been incubating too damn long. I always knew there was going to be some reckoning at some point (remember the Street Fighter X Tekken debacle?) but I never expected EVO's co-founder to be a mega predator. If EVO manages to come back next year, they're gonna have to make it obvious that there have been major overhauls to accountability and transparency.

What was the Street Fighter X Tekken debacle?