I'm sorry to butt in on this, but frankly that's not the point. It's that she tried to use it as an excuse(emphasis on excuse) to get away with anything.senordesol said:How'd she 'get away' with anything?
I'm sorry to butt in on this, but frankly that's not the point. It's that she tried to use it as an excuse(emphasis on excuse) to get away with anything.senordesol said:How'd she 'get away' with anything?
Mike Lemond said:More accurately, obese people are a disgusting blight on society and shouldn't exist.thaluikhain said:What is this "necessary dialouge" the title mentions? That fat people are a disgusting blight on society and shouldn't exist?
Nothing wrong with having a few extra pounds, but when you get into the obese territory, there's no reason for it. People should have at least enough respect for themselves to not neglect their own bodies so flagrantly.
If you like to go with the argument that most obese people are genetically predisposed to be fat, let me stop you right there. According to Wikipedia, the obesity rate in America in the 60's was 12%. In 2010, the obesity rate was 35%. Did all those people gain the "fat gene" within two generations? Are only obese people breeding? I am no statistician, but I would guess the answer is no to both questions.
The decisions you make affect not only yourself, but the people around you. Your friends and family, the people at work or school, etc. Obesity is a decision, and one that no human being should consider.
tl;dr: Put down the French fries, spend a few minutes on the treadmill.
That's great for you, it doesn't do that for everyonegiles said:And you know what? It makes me a lot happier.
While that's great and fine for you, it's not for everyone. It doesn't feel good for me to exercise. It hurts and aggravates my bad knee and ankle and prior back injuries I've had. It aggravates my asthma. Anything that makes it hard to breathe and not only that but HURT to breathe doesn't feel good to me. I do have things that make me feel good (like what I had for dinner--frozen grapes) but none of them involve exercise. I understand there are people like you who have this mindset but not everyone does. As stated above, I suffer from depression. Do you know how hard it is to NOT listen to that voice in your head telling you how worthless you are, how much everyone hates you, and how no matter what you do even exercise that you're never going to achieve your goals and you should just kill yourself now and save everyone the pain is? Some days, getting out of bed deserves a damn achievement because of how much I have to fight myself to do so. But depression is one of those things that can contribute to weight issues.You know what? It feels good to be fit. It feels good to be strong and muscular. It feels good to exercise, precisely because it's hard. It's satisfying to push through. This is something you have to LEARN when you pick up exercising - don't listen to the voice that tells you to stop. It's a lie, your limit is way higher.
Got anything to back that up or are we just making shit up now?chikusho said:Something to remember is that it's almost impossible to be cured from obesity.
The only known ways of curing it is basically surgery, or developing an eating disorder on the opposite side of the spectrum.
People who go from being obese to maintaining a healthy weight are a disappearingly small percentage. In fact, over 80 percent of people who try both with exercise and dieting will weigh more than their starting weight after five years.
That's of course no reason not to make an effort of living healthier. But it's important that people know about this before passing judgement.
What I need is motivation, a good reason. Because I'm over 300 pounds with no heart conditions. My fat gives me low stamina and gets me ridicule but it also made me naturally stronger than anyone who didn't train their strength. I'm not saying it has made me particularly strong but I'm definitely stronger than I would be otherwise. With my physical labor job for over 5 years and the fact I had to walk to school for most my life gave me a workout without working out and, well, the thought that if I was skinny and weak like my brother seems so horrible. The thought that I wouldn't have been able to fight the bullies who picked on the nerds, how awful. I don't know how other people cope with being so powerless.Batou667 said:I get that it could make some people acutely uncomfortable about their own lifestyles, but that's kinda the point. As a YouTube commenter for that video puts it: "Yes, this video's real purpose is to scare people into being healthy. Do you know why? Because being nice isn't cutting it." I think that's crucial: for all the Fat Acceptance movement's talk about how the mildest criticism makes fat people comfort-eat to excess (they were doing that before the criticism, too...) people need a wake-up call if they're going to make substantial and long-term changes.
senordesol said:Reducing the problem to "Put down the French fries, spend a few minutes on the treadmill." is bullshit. It's bullshit and you damn well know it!
Keep telling yourself this and accept it, it's easier this way. Taking the easy route is most likely what got you into your overweight predicament. It's just straight laziness.It requires to change practically EVERYTHING about who you are. It requires you to give up just about everything you enjoy (Pleasure eating and sedentary activities); and replace it by torturing yourself with exhaustive exercise and unsatisfying nourishment (while your body fights you every step of the way). And you have to do this for years --for the rest of your life in some cases.
It's great that you're physically active and don't have any health issues yet. However, I don't think we have to make a choice between "big and strong" and "little and weak" - in fact I think most people could probably benefit from getting more active, more strong, and packing on a bit more lean muscle, both for the health benefits and because it's aesthetically pleasing. And, excess fat will almost always hamper those kind of health goals once you get above a certain bodyfat threshold. It'll slow you down when you run or swim, it makes bodyweight exercises and calisthenics artificially difficult, it shortens your range of movement when weight lifting. You want to be big and strong, that's great, but fat is your enemy, not your friend.Lotet said:What I need is motivation, a good reason. Because I'm over 300 pounds with no heart conditions. My fat gives me low stamina and gets me ridicule but it also made me naturally stronger than anyone who didn't train their strength. I'm not saying it has made me particularly strong but I'm definitely stronger than I would be otherwise. With my physical labor job for over 5 years and the fact I had to walk to school for most my life gave me a workout without working out and, well, the thought that if I was skinny and weak like my brother seems so horrible. The thought that I wouldn't have been able to fight the bullies who picked on the nerds, how awful. I don't know how other people cope with being so powerless.
I'm an introvert who hasn't had any health issues(none related to weight anyway), looking good hardly seems worth the effort. What motivation could people give me to change my life so drastically? Maybe when I'm 50 I'll give it a second thought.
Because we love you and don't want you to end up being taken from your family in an ambulance or having to go on a drastic program to correct diabetes. That might be your business, but I want you to look at your children (if you have any) your SO (if you have one), and tell them 'I know this is going to be a medical issue at some point, but I'm managing and it's no ones business but my own' and then repeat it if/when you're on a gurney and if/when you're in the hospital.senordesol said:It seems like a rather strange obsession.
I'm a rather rotund gentleman myself, and I recognize that is going to be a medical issue at some point. That said, I'm able to function normally in every day society, I work, I go home to my family, I contribute, and I pay my taxes.
The hell are people so concerned about my waistline for?
Losing weight may not be easy, but it is simple. Eat less, or move more, or ideally both.senordesol said:Reducing the problem to "Put down the French fries, spend a few minutes on the treadmill." is bullshit. It's bullshit and you damn well know it!
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It requires to change practically EVERYTHING about who you are. It requires you to give up just about everything you enjoy (Pleasure eating and sedentary activities); and replace it by torturing yourself with exhaustive exercise and unsatisfying nourishment (while your body fights you every step of the way). And you have to do this for years --for the rest of your life in some cases.