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CIA

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Political figures today are not allowed faults. There once was some sort of seperation between a politician's personal life and his political life, but now to get into office one has to be saintly and pure as the driven snow. This is troubling. It is as if to be in politics one must, from an early age, be disproportionately, and often falsely, virtuous to even have a slight chance of gaining political power.

Why is this the case? Why allow virtue to trump intelligence and even competency? Where is the separation between job and personal life? Bill Clinton almost got impeached for getting a little head, yet Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton and still completed his term as VP.

I go to a deeply conservative college that houses the over privileged C students who will go to law school for the express purpose of becoming a politician. I see about half the pre-law students grooming their image daily to make a good public face for the future congressman they believe they will be. This grooming consists less of getting good grades and more on making connections, so that they will be able to breeze trough with the help of friends in high places. They know that this is the way to get elected to political office while exerting the least amount of effort.

This trend of selecting leaders who are little more than pretty political personas and ignoring those with intelligence or competence is destructive,and I worry that it is spreading. I ask you not to support a politician you "would like to have a beer with," but one who is actually qualified for the job. Not the one who most colosely shares your political ideology, but one who will implement their chosen ideology most successfully.

A beer is not a political tool. It is a private matter between the person having the beer, and the beer itself. We should not allow it to be made into anything more.
 

Cargando

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Wrong forum. Odd having to day that.

Anyway, I see what you mean, politicians should get in through actually being good at running things, not having friends in high places as you say. Also, you don't have to be 'saintly' to be a good politician. A really good one uses his faults as advantages.
 

CIA

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Cargando said:
Wrong forum. Odd having to day that.

Anyway, I see what you mean, politicians should get in through actually being good at running things, not having friends in high places as you say. Also, you don't have to be 'saintly' to be a good politician. A really good one uses his faults as advantages.
As well as admitting that he even has faults, most politicians don't even do that. Saintliness (or false saintliness) seems to be a prerequisite for getting elected, but not an indication of competence.
 

Cargando

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CIA said:
Cargando said:
Wrong forum. Odd having to day that.

Anyway, I see what you mean, politicians should get in through actually being good at running things, not having friends in high places as you say. Also, you don't have to be 'saintly' to be a good politician. A really good one uses his faults as advantages.
As well as admitting that he even has faults, most politicians don't even do that. Saintliness (or false saintliness) seems to be a prerequisite for getting elected, but not an indication of competence.
Thing is, if he pretends to be all good and proper, and then it's discovered he's not, then he'll imperfect and dishonest. The honest politician isn't perfect, but then who is?
 

Kasawd

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People are the ones to blame. If we didnt allow our voting to be swayed by personal issues then there would be no need to look virtuous. I've always thought that a good politician simply needed to be agressive and has to be willing to deal in an underhanded manner. Most Canadians hate Chretien with a passion but them man did his job well.

We really need to be more lenient with public image. People complain because our current Prime minister isn't personally cuddly. It really shouldnt matter how much of a robot he is, he is getting things done, if not slowly.

Also, the biased media is another problem altogether.
 

CIA

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Cargando said:
Thing is, if he pretends to be all good and proper, and then it's discovered he's not, then he'll imperfect and dishonest. The honest politician isn't perfect, but then who is?
Of course. I was suggesting that the need to be falsely virtuous to get elected is a bad thing because human nature tells us that nobody is perfect. I want to know where they stand on the issues, not where, if, or how they stand in their own bedrooms.
 

Kollega

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Yes. It is, indeed, a problem. Politicans should get booted out of the office for incompetence, not for having an affair with a waitress from nearby coffee bar.
 

APPCRASH

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The whole beer thing goes out to the common plebe who has to work the 9-5 and who doesn't have the fortune of going to pre-law school. If we see that a politician has some of those old fashioned, down to Earth qualities and they don't forget us "common folk," then we will vote for him, and hopefully he doesn't fuck us when tax season comes a knockin'.
 

CIA

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APPCRASH said:
The whole beer thing goes out to the common plebe who has to work the 9-5 and who doesn't have the fortune of going to pre-law school. If we see that a politician has some of those old fashioned, down to Earth qualities and they don't forget us "common folk," then we will vote for him, and hopefully he doesn't fuck us when tax season comes a knockin'.
And yet, time and time again, he does indeed fuck you. George W. Bush used the beer thing to appear to be a "common man," but he is a privileged ivy-league kid who comes from a long line of privileged ivy-league kids.