Faulty Equipment May Account For Faster Than Light Particles

Earnest Cavalli

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Faulty Equipment May Account For Faster Than Light Particles



Remember those faster-than-light neutrinos that threatened to destroy physics as we know it? That was probably a glitch.

In September of last year we brought you news that scientists working at Switzerland's CERN laboratory had seemingly discovered particles capable of travelling faster than the speed of light [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113292-Scientists-Baffled-By-Seemingly-Faster-Than-Light-Particles]. While initially that may inspire thoughts of travelling through time to punch baby Hitler square in the face, it also had massive implications for the world of physics, and basically our entire understanding of existence.

Thus, it's no surprise that the discovery generated tons of controversy. Some tried to adjust their worldview to accomodate the now vulnerable speed of light, some called the scientists hacks, and others sighed and patiently explained that it was far more likely that the results came about due to some technical malfunction than a tectonic shift in how the universe works.

All these months later, it seems that third group may be right.

After extensive testing, the CERN group has found two possible culprits for the baffling discovery: A faulty oscillator, and a malfunctioning fiber optic cable.

The BBC reports:

... the team said there is a problem in the "oscillator" that provides a ticking clock to the experiment in the intervals between the synchronisations of GPS equipment.


This is used to provide start and stop times for the measurement as well as precise distance information.

That problem would increase the measured time of the neutrinos' flight, in turn reducing the surprising faster-than-light effect.

But the team also said they found a problem in the optical fibre connection between the GPS signal and the experiment's main clock.

In contrast, the team said that effect would increase the neutrinos' apparent speed.

Of course, given that the CERN team is still unsure on which of these issues to blame for their baffling findings, it is still technically possible that they did actually discover faster-than-light neutrinos.

Then again, it's also technically possible that villainous time travelers from the future popped into the CERN lab and sabotaged the equipment to prevent anyone from stopping their nefarious chronological crimes.

Crime number 1? Steal all the dinosaurs. Crime number 2? Not punching Der Führer in Der Face.

Source: BBC [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17139635]

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DeepComet5581

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SCIENCE!!

Oh wait...

While I would have liked the entire understanding of Physics to be turned upside down, I can't help but feel we're probably better off than trying to manipulate the universe to an atomic level.

Although, Christians are going to have a field day with the "Hurr Hurr Science is wrong and God is right." lines.
 

gigastar

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My first crime againt the timestream? Steal the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, before it hits Earth.

It would be ever so much fun to see where the world goes when theres no apocalypse.
 

zombie711

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The biggest Problem with going back in time to punch hitler in the face is that if you do anything to him you would mess up the universe and change reality. If WW2 never happend, the US would have never had a military base stationed in Germany, and my Grandparents would not have met, and my parents would not have met, and I would cease to exist. So yeah stay away from Hitler, no good can come from it.
 

SinisterDeath

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I read an arcticle a few months back stating why they were wrong.
It had to do with not taking into consideration the difference in 'time'across the distances involved, and that in reality, the distance between point a and point B was actually shorter because it doesn't necissarilly follow the earths curvater, but goes mmore in a straight line.

meaning if it took X seconds and the used Y distance, only Y distance was actually 1cm shorter, that 1cm could put it up and above the speed of light.
 

Harker067

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I won't be terribly surprised when the dust settles that it was some fluke or fault somewhere. Unfortunately we'll be hearing the less educated talking about how Einstein was wrong because of FTL neutrinos for decades to come.
 

KeyMaster45

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Old news is old, I seem to remember Wired reporting the same thing like a week after they made the "discovery".
 

Richardplex

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SinisterDeath said:
I read an arcticle a few months back stating why they were wrong.
It had to do with not taking into consideration the difference in 'time'across the distances involved, and that in reality, the distance between point a and point B was actually shorter because it doesn't necissarilly follow the earths curvater, but goes mmore in a straight line.

meaning if it took X seconds and the used Y distance, only Y distance was actually 1cm shorter, that 1cm could put it up and above the speed of light.
They did another test taking relavity into account, the problem still occurred.
 

draythefingerless

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idiots...so weve been measuring neutrinos for SOOO long now, and just NOW we found these FTL ones? they must of been resting or something.

next thing, turns out basic algebra was wrong all along.

:O
 

SinisterDeath

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Richardplex said:
SinisterDeath said:
I read an arcticle a few months back stating why they were wrong.
It had to do with not taking into consideration the difference in 'time'across the distances involved, and that in reality, the distance between point a and point B was actually shorter because it doesn't necissarilly follow the earths curvater, but goes mmore in a straight line.

meaning if it took X seconds and the used Y distance, only Y distance was actually 1cm shorter, that 1cm could put it up and above the speed of light.
They did another test taking relavity into account, the problem still occurred.
Hmm, I still recall there being a problem with the distance being measured wrong, and combined with relativity not being taken into account. I never heard that they 'tested again' and found it, taking relativity into account.

Faulty devices though, could only make the situation 'worse' which obviously as stated in the article happened.
 

Baresark

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This is not new news... they reported that and reported a malfunction that caused it.... What is happening? Did I, through no fault of science, obtain the ability to see into the future? Probably not.

I also loved the whole community reaction to this original story. Everything we know is not wrong based on that. If such a particle existed you would simply need to modify the understanding. Just because you found the one thing that the faster than light thing doesn't apply to doesn't mean that now EVERYTHING must be able to go faster than light. It requires modification of reality, not remaking reality. Holy christ, the drama.
 

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SinisterDeath said:
I heard it was because they accounted for the time difference but the apparatus already did that, which is what gave them the wrong data, but then I can't remember where I heard it and I think is was just word of mouth, so who knows.