Favourite Star Trek captain?

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Darth Mobius said:
BEST. COMMAND HOLOGRAM. EVER!

Still torn between Picard (Raw manliness and Mental Prowess) and Janeway (Sheer badassery with something else... She is just awesome...)

Still not sure...
For the Doctor!!

Anyway, Kirk was a man's man (whom I would've let die by the Tribbles), Picard is okay, I was never aware the Sisko (shape-shifter guy?) was a captain, and Janeway...meh, I appreciated it when they toned her character down.
 

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Allow me to go down the list.

Picard As a character seems to be the most well rounded, competent and facinating. He is a scholar by nature, an explorer by passion and a warrior by circumstance. Perhaps because Roddenberry was no longer as directly active after the horrible first season of TNG Picard was far more of a captain than kirk.He was talented and knew how to get the job done but his greatest skill was picking and managing a crew that knew their jobs better than he did and delegating well. Picard is simply a well rounded and interesting character who does not insist upon or overstate himself. His charisma makes him a great leader but he is humble enough to know that it is only because of his crew that he can accomplish his missions.

Sisco a close second. He is a bit more flawed than picard,wise but without the added edge to that wisdom age produces. The whole messiah complex theme of the show never seemed to affect the character in a way that made him seem more like a man trying to do what was right. He simply wished to fulfill his duty to the federation and do right by his son. I imagine him being much the man Picard was at his age only with the lessons of fatherhood further tempering his disposition.

Next would normally be Sulu simply becasue he is cool but in the spirit of this thread I'm going to choose the next 'expected' captain in line and say Janeway. Now I love Strong female role models. Cat Cora ranks up there almost with Tolkien as a role model. Still She seems to insist upon her strength, especially in the early seasons where they deal with the chauvinistic aliens. Yes sombody needs to punch them but the best way to deal with it would simply have been to insist they deal with her as the ranking female and then force them to accept it. Don't insist, don't wear your ovaries on the outside, just be more human about it. I admit as a character she mellowed out a bit but then she just got that 'Xena implied bisexuality/Lesbian' thing writers of the time seemed to love and while I usually adore such a thing (God... Priss from Bubblegum crisis..) With her and Seven it never fit. She seemed like a good character with a fitting actress that simply fell prey to all the male writers either not knowing how to write the role properly or watching the warrior princess make out with Gabrielle too many times.

Until Enterprise Kirk would be placed here at the bottom. The man is incompetent, selfish, self centered, womanizing, immature child. He refuses to accept defeat past the point of commendable bravery, He insists on trying to do things himself even when he is less skilled. He has an obvious prejudice towards alien races even if that seems to be the norm at the time. I think Shatner did a poor job of playing the character but I don't think it was a character worth playing. Under This is, I feel, In part due to Roddenberry as it seems Star trek got more well rounded and complex the further away from him it moved. Kirk is the obvious exemplar of this because, well lets face it the man is an antiquated cowboy with plot armor going around in deep space seducing green chicks.

And yet sadly recent events have made a whole new bottom of the Barrel, Archer. I can't fully blame the actor or the role as both may be better in a setting that is not so utterly painful. Still Archer seems to be Kirk sans the interesting character development. The man Is bland as a piece of white bread dipped in water. For the most part it seems that his personality simply molds itself into being a reluctant or eager voice to back whatever course of action ends up taking place. He does almost nothing to galvanize his crew and aside from some kirk-like prejudice against Vulcan early on shows nothing of any particular note at all. At least Kirk had some suck to complain about. Archer is apparently suppsoed to be some massive historical figure, a galvanizing force to some inter-temporal civil war that makes him out to be a messiah or something. He fights it, he goes along with it. But its hard to see how he can draw together anything other than the fact that he is there at the time. He doesn't even have the bad personality to bash, he has no personality at all.

Thats my assessment anyways. Feel free to argue or point out why I am wrong if you wish. Its late and I'm tired but I felt I had to post this.
 

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Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
 

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perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
That is completely correct.

It is cool to like Picard (not because everyone else likes him, but because he merits it with his diplomacy and British accent, among other things) for Picard is fantastically awesome.

..............Have you ever watched anything with Picard in it, perfectimo?................If you have, then you'll see why so many people think he's awesome.
 

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Jamanticus said:
Ultrajoe said:
perfectimo said:
Can I just put this out there and ask why there seems to be a "me too" vibe about saying Picard?
You like air yes? There's nothing 'Me too' about loving what you require and desire over all other things.

Picard is superior. Like sex, people will cry his name when asked what they want.
That is completely correct.

It is cool to like Picard (not because everyone else likes him, but because he merits it with his diplomacy and British accent, among other things) for Picard is fantastically awesome.

..............Have you ever watched anything with Picard in it, perfectimo?................If you have, then you'll see why so many people think he's awesome.

I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
 

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perfectimo said:
I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
you are talking about First Contact. and he didnt WANT to blow up the ship, he HAD to. he actually wanted to keep his ship alive and take the borg on hand to hand. He also played ahab once
 

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jim_doki said:
perfectimo said:
I watched a couple of his Star Trek films, generations and something else. What I remember was: I didn't like his "I'm an uppity prick" attitude and the fact that he tried to blow up his own ship... again apparently. Now correct me if I'm wrong but a captain is meant to maintain the ship?
you are talking about First Contact. and he didnt WANT to blow up the ship, he HAD to. he actually wanted to keep his ship alive and take the borg on hand to hand. He also played ahab once
i shall continue this tomorrow maybe if the thread is still kicking. Night.
 

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Jellico turned his whole crew against him for pointless effeciency. A crew willing to follow where you lead is more important than phasers pumping out enough energy for you to forget about them and just place mines around ships... talk about a disappointment...
They were Starfleet officers and would've obeyed his commands. Unlike under Picard however they'd dig their heels in at every turn and cost time arguing and complaining.

I'm all for getting your crew loyal to you as a person as well as a superior officer, but it isn't necessary. If the crew had disobeyed Jellico, while they could attribute his caustic personality as the cause, in the end they'd be the ones court-martialed and Jellico wouldn't lose a thing.

Picard was a man of the arts, which I respect about the character, and all-round intelligent guy, but being easy to get along with isn't something I'd take into account when deciding which the better captain was, and if being easy to get along with meant you run a ship that isn't running in optimal condition 24/7 - especially the flagship - you'd lose points.

I just remembered - someone earlier said Jellico was arrogant. Picard's "Make it so!" command had always struck me as an extremely arrogant phrase - along with how he holds up his own values to be the be-all and end-all of any subject.
 

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I just remembered - someone earlier said Jellico was arrogant. Picard's "Make it so!" command had always struck me as an extremely arrogant phrase - along with how he holds up his own values to be the be-all and end-all of any subject.
In comparison Kirk beats Picard when it comes to arrogance.

I guess Picard's popular for being Competent in space navy that seems to be half moronic buffoons.
If the Federation's internal politicking was as bad as any current human society then I'm pretty sure Kirk's actions alone would've lead to a strike by the redshirts. Citing poor OH&S standards and the possibility that they're literally being used as a meatshield by their superior officer.

That duel between Kirk and Khan is another example, with the Enterprise rising behind Reliant like a submarine to take the final shots...
 

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it has to be picard and it's mostly because of this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNKyoRudOQ]
Oh dear...
That makes Picard the greatest captain in Sc-fi history, nevermind star Trek.
Gotta love Patrick stewart's sense of humour.
 

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Picard.

I mean, really, he's so awesome. There's so much I could say about him, but why should I? When this song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo] sums it all up. Yeah, that's how awesome he is.

PS: Probably been linked already, but still, why not?
 

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They were Starfleet officers and would've obeyed his commands. Unlike under Picard however they'd dig their heels in at every turn and cost time arguing and complaining.

I'm all for getting your crew loyal to you as a person as well as a superior officer, but it isn't necessary. If the crew had disobeyed Jellico, while they could attribute his caustic personality as the cause, in the end they'd be the ones court-martialed and Jellico wouldn't lose a thing.

Picard was a man of the arts, which I respect about the character, and all-round intelligent guy, but being easy to get along with isn't something I'd take into account when deciding which the better captain was, and if being easy to get along with meant you run a ship that isn't running in optimal condition 24/7 - especially the flagship - you'd lose points.

I just remembered - someone earlier said Jellico was arrogant. Picard's "Make it so!" command had always struck me as an extremely arrogant phrase - along with how he holds up his own values to be the be-all and end-all of any subject.
your missing the key here though and that is its up to the guy in command to do just that, COMMAND respect not DEmand respect. thats the difference between Picard and jellico.

Jellico expected his neck pips and his commission papers to impress the crew, Picard expected his crew to follow because he was worthy of leading. he didnt just stand there and stamp his foot having a hissy fit saying "you have to follow me because i have the title waaaaaaaaaa" wich is about what Jellicos command style ammount too.

the KEY difference between a mearly ok commander and a ledgend like Picard.
 

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Wyatt - Jellico was considered a fit replacement for Picard by Starfleet. Surely that should count for something to the crew? Whether or not they felt he deserved their respect, they're Starfleet officers which means the guy wearing more pins gets to order them around whether they like it or not. In today's military - hell, in almost any organization with a rank-based command structure - you follow your commander's orders first and whine in writing to the guy above him once you're finished.


Besides which, during the two episodes Jellico was captain of the Enterprise, he was met with unnecessary resistance and complaints just because the crew could complain. Geordi whined that he couldn't make a change Jellico demanded, even after Jellico and Data had told him it was feasible. Riker was just upset his father-figure captain was going and there really was no excuse for Troi not wearing a uniform to begin with.

I'm seeing a lot of "Picard was awesome!" but not a lot of "This is why Picard was any better than the average captain".
 

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Molikroth said:
Wyatt - Jellico was considered a fit replacement for Picard by Starfleet. Surely that should count for something to the crew? Whether or not they felt he deserved their respect, they're Starfleet officers which means the guy wearing more pins gets to order them around whether they like it or not. In today's military - hell, in almost any organization with a rank-based command structure - you follow your commander's orders first and whine in writing to the guy above him once you're finished.


Besides which, during the two episodes Jellico was captain of the Enterprise, he was met with unnecessary resistance and complaints just because the crew could complain. Geordi whined that he couldn't make a change Jellico demanded, even after Jellico and Data had told him it was feasible. Riker was just upset his father-figure captain was going and there really was no excuse for Troi not wearing a uniform to begin with.

I'm seeing a lot of "Picard was awesome!" but not a lot of "This is why Picard was any better than the average captain".
Picard was better because he had respect for his crew. Yes as dumb as it is you always must do what the guy who has the rank says but Picard was good because he didn't take that authority given to him for granted or think that the others under him were less for it. Jellico was a horrible person who was obsessed with rank and doing things his way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePTiYrARlsc

Said better than I ever could.
 

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ala dente said:
Janeway wish this was a true poll
Any particular reason you think Janeway was the best? I'm not refuting you, but we like hearing reasoning here.

Oh, and welcome to the Escapist forums, ala dente!