Final Fantasy Fans Boo Xbox 360 at London Event

[Optimus Hagrid]

Wow, I feel really sorry for the announcer guy. He didn't deserve to be treated like that at all.

 

[elricik]

This is stupid, they need to shut up. Final Fantasy has never been exclusive to one console ever. They made FF games for a decade on Nintendo Systems, then jumped ship onto playstation. So saying Square is being unloyal is pretty stupid, considering they were never loyal in the first place. Yeah I got it on PS3, but I don't care if it comes out on the 360. More people get to play FF, and Square gets more money, it seems like a win-win. Honestly, this is why nobody takes gamers seriously, and we complain when O'Riley rips us a new one on Fox.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

People who have played the Final Fantasy series from the original Playstation are NOT going to be thrilled that they are being offered a 360.

What's that asshandle? I've been around the Final Fantasy series since the NES days and I'm having a good laugh at you whiners that only jumped on-board when VII turned this series into a mainstream bonanza and horrible fanfiction breeding ground.

Yeah, but note how my statement has nothing to do with your rebuttal? Do you think those "fans" played it all the way back when the world was cyclical, instead of invisible "you can't go here" walls? I'm not saying that the Playstation FFs were better than the NES ones, but people who only played from VII on up are Playstation fanboys, through and through.

SO, when you make a game that has been a console-exclusive pride-and-joy for PS fanboys for, what, 10-ish years? They probably shoulda seen this kinda backlash coming.

There was some other post a while ago, comparing the situation to "attending a ferrari convention and then being offered a Ford truck."
His argument > my argument.

 

[Li1t]

Personally, I'd not have booed but I have no love for the 360, or anything microsoft creates. It's bad enough that I'm stuck paying M$ for my operating system, I'm not going to game on their platform and give them even more money.

If you think about it, however, the booing is unsurprising. With no previous Final Fantasy titles having been released on Microsoft's platform, how would the prospective Xbox360 + Final Fantasy have been formed? A good 90% of the die-hard fans at the launch event will come from the PS3 side of the fence, and they're obviously the sort of people inclined to the more devoted forms of fandom (was that cosplay I saw?).

 

[bjj hero]

This goes beyond fanboy-ism...well, actually, no it doesn't, but this is more-justified fanboy-ism than what happens with, say, which console is better.

Exclusive games have always been a part of gaming culture, and if they start to mix and match, people WILL be pissed. What if they decided to put mario on the PS3? Or made a Halo game for the Wii? Nintendo's wide variety of over-used characters are still very much the face of Nintendo. Microsoft has Halo, Gears of War, and all the other grunting man-children with too much armor. Playstation is all about God of War, FINAL FANTASY (the 3-d ones), and even Rachet & Clank.

The moral is don't mess with a GAME'S fanbase. Console fans will usually break their code to play other console games, if they're good enough. People who have played the Final Fantasy series from the original Playstation are NOT going to be thrilled that they are being offered a 360. Console fanbase only lasts a year or so, game fanbase stretches all the way back, across generations, even. You just don't mess with that.

To put it in perspective, PC gamers, what if you won a contest for the Mac version of Starcraft II? Are you feeling pissed yet?

If you are not 12 years old you will remember that FF Started with Nintendo, its hardly a SONY property like Mario is with Nintendo. Maybe if SONY had put their hands in their pockets then FF would have stayed an exclusive. Complain to SONY, Sqeenix just want money to please share holders and produce more games.

As it was the prize was a 360 console bundle. As a 360 owner I'd be happy, not booing, if the console was a PS3, as opposed to giving me a console I already own. Giving me an extra 360 means I just have to sell one. The fanboys are just immature, I guess they will grow up one day. No wonder PC gamers feel superior.

Multiplatform titles is a good thing, it opens a title up to a wider audience and more sales. Likewise competition between companies is good for gaming. It will be a sad day if we ever reach the point where there is only one console on the market.

 

[VonBrewskie]

hahahahahahahaha! PS3 rulez! bwaahahahahaha!

 

[Premonition]

The Assassin's Creed series have been advertised as PS3-only games

That's fucked up advertising as well.

But, it's definitely bad P.R. when you buy your way in to a franchise like with Final Fantasy and then make it seem like it's exclusively on the 360, like you're bitchslapping Sony in the face saying: Na na na na na na

 

[Alphavillain]

Why don't people hate things that are fucking important? It's like hating Pepsi because you like Coke, or Nike because you like Adidas.
The booers need to get a life, and that goes for all the people on this thread that agree with them. I hope that makes my views clear

 

[Daniel_Rosamilia]

This kinda makes me ashamed of being a fan of the PS3...

Any Wii-players care to hang out while the 360 fans and the PS3 fans duke it out in the streets?

Sure, just as long as the fanboys don;t find out.
I don't want a full FF vs Halo fanboy war in the house.

Or actually, maybe I do, it'd be interesting to see what sort of retarted home-made weaponry they brought along.

 

[Treblaine]

a game like this cannot look good on the xbox, it needs to stay on the ps3, multiplatform games hurt the ps3 because..

its easy to program first for the xbox then port it over to the ps3, in turn the graphics are not as good for the ps3 as they should be. the proof is in games like GTA, Ghostbusters, MW2, and so on.

if you take exclusives for both systems and put them side to side the PS3 always looks much better,

"Cannot look good on xbox"? I smell fan boy. It may well look better on the PS3 (and would look better still on the PC) but that is not the same as not being able to look good on the 360. I'm sure its an attractive title on the 360, FF is always well polished. Sqeenix obviously believe that multiplatform is beneficial for the game or it would still be an exclusive.

The Playstation 3's specifications and capabilities are well known.

It is pretty well accepted that the PS3 is a more powerful platform than 360, just like XBox was more powerful than PS2.

Just look at Uncharted 1 and 2 and Killzone 2 as well and many others, Xbox 360 doesn't have anything to match that. Halo 3 was in only 600p with no anti-aliasing, Resistance FOM in the same year was full 720p and 2xAA.

Then there is the obvious limitation of the DVD media, only able to hold 6.8GB of data per disc compared to 50GB per disc on PS3 and for such pre-rendered cutscene heavy games like Final Fantasy 13, that IS an issue that affects quality. You can't compress HD video without losing quality and making an open world game on multiple discs is very hard and forces compromises.

360's main advantage: it came out a year to 18-months before PS3 and at a lower price point

It's marginally easier to develop but from what I can tell dealing with PS3's Cell is not much worse than juggling with 360's tiny 10MB eDRAM.

 

[bjj hero]

Spoiler: You've read this before

a game like this cannot look good on the xbox, it needs to stay on the ps3, multiplatform games hurt the ps3 because..

its easy to program first for the xbox then port it over to the ps3, in turn the graphics are not as good for the ps3 as they should be. the proof is in games like GTA, Ghostbusters, MW2, and so on.

if you take exclusives for both systems and put them side to side the PS3 always looks much better,

"Cannot look good on xbox"? I smell fan boy. It may well look better on the PS3 (and would look better still on the PC) but that is not the same as not being able to look good on the 360. I'm sure its an attractive title on the 360, FF is always well polished. Sqeenix obviously believe that multiplatform is beneficial for the game or it would still be an exclusive.

The Playstation 3's specifications and capabilities are well known.

It is pretty well accepted that the PS3 is a more powerful platform than 360, just like XBox was more powerful than PS2.

Just look at Uncharted 1 and 2 and Killzone 2 as well and many others, Xbox 360 doesn't have anything to match that. Halo 3 was in only 600p with no anti-aliasing, Resistance FOM in the same year was full 720p and 2xAA.

Then there is the obvious limitation of the DVD media, only able to hold 6.8GB of data per disc compared to 50GB per disc on PS3 and for such pre-rendered cutscene heavy games like Final Fantasy 13, that IS an issue that affects quality. You can't compress HD video without losing quality and making an open world game on multiple discs is very hard and forces compromises.

360's main advantage: it came out a year to 18-months before PS3 and at a lower price point

It's marginally easier to develop but from what I can tell dealing with PS3's Cell is not much worse than juggling with 360's tiny 10MB eDRAM.

I'm not arguing about the PS3 being more powerful, it is a more powerful machine. That is not the same as saying that FF looks like it was done with crayons on the 360. (That would be an interesting direction to take FF)

 

[pirateninj4]

They all look retarded. GG fanboys.

 

[Treblaine]

Spoiler: You've read this before

a game like this cannot look good on the xbox, it needs to stay on the ps3, multiplatform games hurt the ps3 because..

its easy to program first for the xbox then port it over to the ps3, in turn the graphics are not as good for the ps3 as they should be. the proof is in games like GTA, Ghostbusters, MW2, and so on.

if you take exclusives for both systems and put them side to side the PS3 always looks much better,

"Cannot look good on xbox"? I smell fan boy. It may well look better on the PS3 (and would look better still on the PC) but that is not the same as not being able to look good on the 360. I'm sure its an attractive title on the 360, FF is always well polished. Sqeenix obviously believe that multiplatform is beneficial for the game or it would still be an exclusive.

The Playstation 3's specifications and capabilities are well known.

It is pretty well accepted that the PS3 is a more powerful platform than 360, just like XBox was more powerful than PS2.

Just look at Uncharted 1 and 2 and Killzone 2 as well and many others, Xbox 360 doesn't have anything to match that. Halo 3 was in only 600p with no anti-aliasing, Resistance FOM in the same year was full 720p and 2xAA.

Then there is the obvious limitation of the DVD media, only able to hold 6.8GB of data per disc compared to 50GB per disc on PS3 and for such pre-rendered cutscene heavy games like Final Fantasy 13, that IS an issue that affects quality. You can't compress HD video without losing quality and making an open world game on multiple discs is very hard and forces compromises.

360's main advantage: it came out a year to 18-months before PS3 and at a lower price point

It's marginally easier to develop but from what I can tell dealing with PS3's Cell is not much worse than juggling with 360's tiny 10MB eDRAM.

I'm not arguing about the PS3 being more powerful, it is a more powerful machine. That is not the same as saying that FF looks like it was done with crayons on the 360. (That would be an interesting direction to take FF)

Well funny you should say that because the experts have taken a look and applied SCIENCE... and yeah the Xbox 360 version is a bag of bollocks compared to the PS3 version, the analogy "looks like it's done with crayons" may not be literally true but it is a fitting analogy:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off

The Xbox 360 version is in only 576p compared to 720p, that is almost HALF the resolution and scaling up to 720p or especially 1080p looks diabolically bad. Everywhere the Xbox 360 version is compromised, mostly in the incredibly compressed animated cutscenes, a mainstay of the series.

As far as I'm concerned the Xbox 360 version should be sold with a 25%-33% mark down in price ($40-45 or £25-30) because you are getting a game that is only half as good as the PS3 version. For that reason the Xbox 360 version is a rip-off. And that is not a relative thing, NO GAME this generation should be struggling along at 576p resolution.

Admittedly, part of the problem here is that Final Fantasy 13 began development on the PS3 and rather late in the game a 360 version had to be made/ported-to, that that is the problem with this generation, the platforms are similar... but not close enough.

So many really advanced graphical effects developed for PS3 just will not transfer over to 360, unless maybe you start again from scratch.

I wish we could go back to the good old day exclusivity.

I am fully in favour of exclusivity, not for any particular platforms, just as long at the developers put 100% of their effort into a single platform rather than this lowest common denominator bullshit. Red Steel 2 looks great... but if they had to co-develop on PS3 + 360 as well then I guarantee the Wii version would be terrible.

I mean a both a PS3 40GB + Xbox Arcade ($250 + $150) now cost the same as either console did at launch (2005: Xbox 360 = $400 (then factor 5 years of inflation)), which people were willing to buy so it's not like getting both platforms is out of order, why dumb games down to the lowest common denominator? And is it that unreasonable to buy a Sony console to play a Final Fantasy game?

Bayonetta should have stayed Xbox 360 exclusive, Final Fantasy 13 should have remained PS3 exclusive, and what the hell Mass Effect 1 or 2 in going on any console... that is a PC game through and through (mouse-aim is a dream for that game).

 

[D_987]

The Assassin's Creed series have been advertised as PS3-only games

That's fucked up advertising as well.

But, it's definitely bad P.R. when you buy your way in to a franchise like with Final Fantasy and then make it seem like it's exclusively on the 360, like you're bitchslapping Sony in the face saying: Na na na na na na

So? It's business, and in a massive industry like this you try to get any advantage you can - I really don't see a problem with this...

 

[Lucane]

are they perhaps booing because they believe FF has been dimmed down for the 360, something I still don't know is true or not?

It's true.

That's what it seemed to be projected towards for me an also that tag about it's trailer being that 360 bump only at the end isn't really playing far either.

Edit: Also chamces are if your gonna make a costume of characters for the new game within a week of it's release for an event maybe you've done your homework on the possible differences on the 2 consoles.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

That video is pretty funny. The people in this thread getting angry about people having a laugh at the expense of Microsoft marketing is even funnier. Oh no, some people are disrespectful to an American corporation. To the hypemobile, let us right this wrong.

 

[Premonition]

The Assassin's Creed series have been advertised as PS3-only games

That's fucked up advertising as well.

But, it's definitely bad P.R. when you buy your way in to a franchise like with Final Fantasy and then make it seem like it's exclusively on the 360, like you're bitchslapping Sony in the face saying: Na na na na na na

So? It's business, and in a massive industry like this you try to get any advantage you can - I really don't see a problem with this...

Business and P.R. go hand in hand

 

[Lord Krunk]

Wow, those kids are stupid. Shouldn't they be glad that their game is being granted to a broader (and seemingly more worthy) audience? Oh, wait. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle6cd1cskka05i]

But yeah. I'm glad that it's finally out on the 360 because I haven't been able to play an FF game since I played 8, which was awesome. Sadly, I can't find a copy of 7 either.

But hey, can't wait till I get 13.