Final Fantasy Fans Boo Xbox 360 at London Event

[Kermi]

Eh... It'd be a bit like Halo going multi-platform. Yeah, the early history of the developer wasn't with Microsoft, but the two have become so linked that it's a bit like a betrayal of the original fans.

Halo nearly did go multiplatform, there was a prototype of a DS version made.

You're trolling, right? That game was never official in any way. I think it was a reskin of Goldeneye or something.

It would be like me using an Uncharted screenshot as my desktop wallpaper and saying Uncharted 3 was coming to the PC.

 

[tetron]

I checked out that comparison video and there is a slightly noticeable difference, but only because it's slowed down. Tbh I don't see anything wrong with any game going multi-platform, if the producer thinks it's gonna be a profitable move then they're going to do it. If you have such a problem with FFXIII going multi-platform then maybe you should look at yourselves and think "Why does square find this a profitable move ?". Maybe because there are probably as many if not more FF fans with 360s instead of PS3s. A lot of people in the crowd at launch were probably thinking ah fuck I was hoping I could get a free ps3 but now I get a 2nd 360.

 

[jp201]

Fine, you dont want the 360, you can get a punch in the balls instead.

Thats what they should have done.

Also the booing was so bland, put some SOUL into your booing....

yeah the booing wasn't really needed

but if your going to boo at least do it right

 

[GeekFury]

Thinking about it, is just me or will Final Fantasy Fanboys and Fangirls not be happy until they remake FF7? I hope rumors of it being remade and eithe rbeing 360 exclusive or multiplatform start spreading, just to see the fans boil with unbridled nerdrage.

 

[NickCooley]

God fanboys are pathetic. Seriously. All of you are throwing a fit over this like it's your new born child. It's just software on a disk, it really doesn't warrant all this bitching.

 

[Pendragon9]

I blame microsoft.

Their crap advertising brought on this hate, so it's their own fault.

(it's a multiplat release and yet you make sure nobody knows it's for the Ps3 too? Bring on the hate, douchebags)

Why Can't We Be Friends stupid PS3 fanboys you lost the 360 is better, much much better

Reported for trolling. kthxbye.

 

[ninjajoeman]

I would have said F#$% it were not going to release final fantasy on the ps3 you ungrateful jerks

 

[MiracleOfSound]

That was pretty pathetic... booing over a fucking game console.

Sad, sad people.

 

[ninjajoeman]

That was pretty pathetic... booing over a fucking game console.

Sad, sad people.

yea nothing against the wii, but If i received one I would go thanks then when they walk away I would THEN start crying

(it's an example)

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Heh, I probably would have booed, too.

I mean, FFXIII was originally meant to be a ps3 exclusive, and there are TV ads in the uk which only acknowledge the 360, almost as if its an xbox exclusive.

Really. That is very silly.

What the hell is the problem here, surely the more people who get to experience the game, the better?

Exclusives suck for all gamers, and the more of them that go multi platform the better.

It's still coming out on PS3, anyone who feels 'betrayed' by this is an idiot and needs to take a good hard look at their priorities.

 

[Seldon2639]

Eh... It'd be a bit like Halo going multi-platform. Yeah, the early history of the developer wasn't with Microsoft, but the two have become so linked that it's a bit like a betrayal of the original fans.

Remember all the people complaining about how CoD had forgotten the PC gaming grounds in which it had been planted, blossoming instead in the verdant console greens? It's kind of the same thing.

Imagine Mario going multi-platform.

This is a situation that is not in any way analogous to Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Square-Enix, or Final Fantasy.

A more apt analogy would be:

If the developers of Halo decided instead to switch from designing for the XBOX, and switched one of its IPs to the PS3 because they felt the XBOX 360 couldn't cut it, and then, after a decade of designing games for all systems available, and porting games for all systems available, made an announcement that ONE of their new games would be available for more than one system.

Kind of like how Bungie originally made Marathon for Macintosh computer systems, before deciding that it wasn't cutting it, and designed games for the XBOX?

Also, can you name the last console FF game which was "designed for all systems available?" I can't either. If what you're saying is that Square-Enix has designed games for other systems, you're correct, but the Final Fantasy series is as iconically Playstation as the Halo games are Xbox

 

[chronobreak]

The 360 version isn't 'bad' per-se. It's just not 'as good' as the PS3 version. I fail to see why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp. It may not be noticeable on a SD television, but check it out on an HD Set, and the differences will be a bit more noticeable. You don't have to be a graphics whore, to want to see the game in it's best form.

He said "critical difference", and there isn't any, unless you are looking for one very, very hard. At least that is what myself and a lot of other people got from watching the comparison videos.

the Final Fantasy series is as iconically Playstation as the Halo games are Xbox

Except that almost half of them were released on Nintendo machines, and that one (I think) PC game.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

Well this IS the FF fanbase we're talking about here and to be fair the PS3 of FF13 IS marignally better than the 360 version. Allow me to explain before I get ranted at.

The 360 version comes on 3 discs where as the PS3 has the one, the 360 had to compress some of it's audio and visual in order to make it fit, so it looks a tiny bit worse.

Other than that though the games are virtually identical.

 

[Blimey]

Wow. I'm so glad I still am stuck in the Gamecube/Genesis/PSX/Atari 2600 era in my gaming habits. Its nice and quiet over here.

 

[Treblaine]

Well funny you should say that because the experts have taken a look and applied SCIENCE... and yeah the Xbox 360 version is a bag of bollocks compared to the PS3 version, the analogy "looks like it's done with crayons" may not be literally true but it is a fitting analogy:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off

The Xbox 360 version is in only 576p compared to 720p, that is almost HALF the resolution and scaling up to 720p or especially 1080p looks diabolically bad. Everywhere the Xbox 360 version is compromised, mostly in the incredibly compressed animated cutscenes, a mainstay of the series.

As far as I'm concerned the Xbox 360 version should be sold with a 25%-33% mark down in price ($40-45 or £25-30) because you are getting a game that is only half as good as the PS3 version. For that reason the Xbox 360 version is a rip-off. And that is not a relative thing, NO GAME this generation should be struggling along at 576p resolution.

Admittedly, part of the problem here is that Final Fantasy 13 began development on the PS3 and rather late in the game a 360 version had to be made/ported-to, that that is the problem with this generation, the platforms are similar... but not close enough.

So many really advanced graphical effects developed for PS3 just will not transfer over to 360, unless maybe you start again from scratch.

I followed your link and really enjoyed it. I'm not a tech buff so I enjoyed reading an insiders view of the side by side comparison. The jist of it is that the PS3 version looks superior, no shocks there.

They do say that the 360 version is still a handsome title, it is just a shame that sqeenix didn't use all of the 360s potential. Again, not the same as doesn't look good. The shots I saw did look good, they just lacked the polish and some of the fine detail of the PS3. Without playing them side by side you would not have noticed.

I've not read many reviews for FF, I don't plan to buy it, but none of the reviews for the 360 that I've read have said "looks like crap". If minor polish on in game videos and graphics will ruin a game for you then we play games for different reasons.

If I had both consoles, and really needed FF, I'd buy the Ps3 version. It does not make the 360 version not worth buying (if you like that sort of thing). It's the first FF on the 360, there were going to be teething troubles.

You are right about buying both consoles. I have no issue with Sony, when I was younger I would have owned a PS3 as well, I've always owned multiple consoles. At the point in time when I went next gen the 360 was financially more attractive. Thats the only reason I went 360. With the new pricing by Sony there's no longer much in it.

The difference now is that I have a family and a mortgage. I could afford both but I choose to spoil my kid instead. Maybe when he's a bit older I'll be spoiling him with multiple consoles... then sending him to bed early.

Couldn't you spoil your kids with console games? I mean PS3 has a lot more "family friendly" titles like Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted is much more age appropriate than Gears of War.

It's really weird how things have turned out now, where games consoles are considered adult entertainment like a Cable TV subscription... yet networks like Fox News always act a-gasp if anything slightly "adults only" appears in a video game.

 

[Treblaine]

Well funny you should say that because the experts have taken a look and applied SCIENCE... and yeah the Xbox 360 version is a bag of bollocks compared to the PS3 version, the analogy "looks like it's done with crayons" may not be literally true but it is a fitting analogy:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off

Okay, so what are you going on about? I see no differences major enough to care about in that comparison video.

OH GAWD GUYS TEH EDGES ARE A TAD BIT SMUDGIER, THIS IS A PIECE OF CRAP

Oh, and I have a site that contradicts [http://t3chh3lp.com/blog/final-fantasy-xiiis-graphics-comparison-xbox-360-vs-ps3.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+t3chh3lp%2FlNJo+%28the+T3ch+H3lp+blog%29] that one.

And another. [http://www.thelostgamer.com/2010/02/12/final-fantasy-xiii-xbox-360-hands-on-preview/]

Oh, and if you're going to claim that "well, these are all small-time people", Gamespot agrees [http://www.gamespot.com/events/microsoftx10/story.html?sid=6248500&tag=newsfeatures;title;3] that the difference is minimal.

Oh, and the Metacritic rating [http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termtype=all&ts=final+fantasy+XIII&ty=0&button=search] on both versions is EXACTLY EQUAL.

You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

You can count on journalists to pander to fanbases, I've seen it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. When Resident Evil 4 got ported from Gamecube to PS2 any graphical difference was heavily played down, sure the PS2 version was "oh kaaay" but if you have ever played the Gamecube version you'd realise how much it was butchered in the port. But games journalists (like so many journalists) lack so much drive for insight an truth, and often are little more than droning hype-machines... because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

Sure FF13 on 360 is "good enough"... if you never knew how good the PS3 version was, everything is good enough if you don't know the alternative. I'm quite sure I'd be content with a NES if I never knew of any other gaming system.

Journalist are supposed to inform us on the best way to spend our money and they have FAILED if any say the 360 version of FF13 is as good as the PS3 version as most likely they have only done a poor comparison if no proper comparison at all. That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.

 

[scotth266]

The 360 version isn't 'bad' per-se. It's just not 'as good' as the PS3 version. I fail to see why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp. It may not be noticeable on a SD television, but check it out on an HD Set, and the differences will be a bit more noticeable. You don't have to be a graphics whore, to want to see the game in it's best form.

What I meant was

He said "critical difference", and there isn't any, unless you are looking for one very, very hard. At least that is what myself and a lot of other people got from watching the comparison videos.

^ What he said. There is not an appreciable difference between the two and as such I find it ridiculous that he calls the 360 version

a bag of bollocks.

And speaking of Treblaine...

You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

...because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.

Have you ever considered that perhaps your own linked article is "telling you what you want to hear?" And how come my three cited articles (one of which is from a well-known multiplatform publication) contradict themselves, but your one doesn't? Is it perhaps because you don't agree with what they say?

>_>

I don't honestly know which version I intend to get of FFXIII, because right now I've caught a bad case of DotA fever while playing Heroes of Newerth, and as such have little time for other games right now.

 

[Treblaine]

And speaking of Treblaine...

You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

...because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.

Have you ever considered that perhaps your own linked article is "telling you what you want to hear?" And how come my three cited articles (one of which is from a well-known multiplatform publication) contradict themselves, but your one doesn't? Is it perhaps because you don't agree with what they say?

>_>

I don't honestly know which version I intend to get of FFXIII, because right now I've caught a bad case of DotA fever while playing Heroes of Newerth, and as such have little time for other games right now.

People want to be told the console they have is the best version to play, it's a nice story to read, reassuring. It's not reassuring to discover the first time a Final Fantasy game has had a multiplatform release has been compromised, this is the longest developed Final Fantasy game yet partly down to it's multi-platform release.

As to hearing what I want to hear Digital Foundry is INCREDIBLY analytical and takes all subjective measures out, it is all quantified, measured and compared. There is nothing open to interpretation, there is no way you can just brush off a hit to the resolution of moving down from 720p to 576p. Why should anyone settle for horribly compressed video for cutscenes that have been so meticulously rendered? Your sources use only subjective comparison which is HUGELY open to prejudiced interpretation.

Have they counted the pixels? Have they applied all the knowledge and experience of the industry? Or have they just taken a glance and convinced them-self "nah, they're the same, that's the answer that'll please everyone". Where is the objectivity!

There are a lot of things I wouldn't have liked to hear which Digital Foundry have revealed, such as the extent of the input lag on Killzone 2, how poor Bayonetta is on PS3, how poor some PC ports are, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss any of them! I'd much rather get the bad news than be ripped off as that's what is happening with bad-ports, nothing but a massive rip off.

I'm glad you're enjoying your DotA, but don't think just because you have other gaming priorities you have somehow proven any point about FF13.

 

[Buizel91]

And so, Trolling comes into REAL LIFE!

Calumon: Why can't we all play together?

me thinks me loves you for reminding what the fuck that little white thing was called!

my mind can finally rest!

OT: And pfft, stupid fanboys i may not like final Fantasy, but this is the main reason why, the fan boys that think it's god