Final Fantasy Fans Boo Xbox 360 at London Event

Enigmers

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I'm playing the 360 version and I notice the framerate takes a bit of a poop whenever there's a lot of random NPCs running around on screen. Now, I haven't tried the PS3 version, so what I'm actually trying to say is that if it were a PC game, I'd be able to turn down the settings until I got a framerate that I'm comfortable with.

So really, the fact that it didn't come out on PC means that everyone loses! Muahahahahahahahaha!

No, seriously though, it's a fun game and I'm glad it came out on the 360, because if it didn't, I'd have a PS3 and then I wouldn't have Tales of Vesperia (from what I can tell, ToV is a much better game than Final Fantasy XIII.)
 

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Treblaine said:
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Treblaine said:
Well funny you should say that because the experts have taken a look and applied SCIENCE... and yeah the Xbox 360 version is a bag of bollocks compared to the PS3 version, the analogy "looks like it's done with crayons" may not be literally true but it is a fitting analogy:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off
Okay, so what are you going on about? I see no differences major enough to care about in that comparison video.

OH GAWD GUYS TEH EDGES ARE A TAD BIT SMUDGIER, THIS IS A PIECE OF CRAP

Oh, and I have a site that contradicts [http://t3chh3lp.com/blog/final-fantasy-xiiis-graphics-comparison-xbox-360-vs-ps3.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+t3chh3lp%2FlNJo+%28the+T3ch+H3lp+blog%29] that one.

And another. [http://www.thelostgamer.com/2010/02/12/final-fantasy-xiii-xbox-360-hands-on-preview/]

Oh, and if you're going to claim that "well, these are all small-time people", Gamespot agrees [http://www.gamespot.com/events/microsoftx10/story.html?sid=6248500&tag=newsfeatures;title;3] that the difference is minimal.

Oh, and the Metacritic rating [http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termtype=all&ts=final+fantasy+XIII&ty=0&button=search] on both versions is EXACTLY EQUAL.
You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

You can count on journalists to pander to fanbases, I've seen it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. When Resident Evil 4 got ported from Gamecube to PS2 any graphical difference was heavily played down, sure the PS2 version was "oh kaaay" but if you have ever played the Gamecube version you'd realise how much it was butchered in the port. But games journalists (like so many journalists) lack so much drive for insight an truth, and often are little more than droning hype-machines... because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

Sure FF13 on 360 is "good enough"... if you never knew how good the PS3 version was, everything is good enough if you don't know the alternative. I'm quite sure I'd be content with a NES if I never knew of any other gaming system.

Journalist are supposed to inform us on the best way to spend our money and they have FAILED if any say the 360 version of FF13 is as good as the PS3 version as most likely they have only done a poor comparison if no proper comparison at all. That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.
because they shouldn't have to, a game is a game no matter what system, i wouldn't give a rats arse if Halo was ported, fuck the graphics, it's the game play that matters. saying that FF is better on the PS3 because of the graphics is like saying this Toyota Supra looks better in chrome paint because its shinier, it doesn't matter because they are both the same car and do the exact same, regardless of how they look.
 

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Treblaine said:
Couldn't you spoil your kids with console games? I mean PS3 has a lot more "family friendly" titles like Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted is much more age appropriate than Gears of War.

It's really weird how things have turned out now, where games consoles are considered adult entertainment like a Cable TV subscription... yet networks like Fox News always act a-gasp if anything slightly "adults only" appears in a video game.
I've been playing video games since the 80s and look at the well rounded, pillar of the community I turned out to be. I have no problem with children playing appropriate games. Having said that my son isn't 2 until June.

He loves my controller but doesn't quite get what it does yet. Personally I can't wait until we can play things like Lego Starwars together. Motion controls are great for little hands, I just hope it doesn't stunt anyones ability to game with a contoller or a mouse and keyboard.
 

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13lackfriday said:
Faggots.

Appreciate the presenter trying to handle the situation with his characteristic British wit.
Or he could have addressed the situation with a homophobic slur...

Not cool.
 

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Well after 310 posts (or more) it's doubtful anyone will read this but here goes:

I don't think this is all that unreasonable actually. I think a lot of people are missing a big part of the problem with the 360 "port". From a certain business perspective Final Fantasy going multi-platform is a good thing, it's also a good thing for 360 fans who don't own a PS-3 but want to play the game... well sort of.

It's a bad thing from the perspective of fanboys because by going multi-platform it means that more businessmen are going to start having a say in what happens with the franchise. Not to mention the fact that the development teams will also be spending a lot of time working on making sure the game works on differant sets of hardware and system archetecture rather than working on the game itself.

If you go back far enough to before this was confirmed, look at some of the reasons why people said that this would "never happen", beyond a pure business standpoint. Well now it HAS happened and all those concerns about quality are at the forefront of the minds of a lot of fans. Oh sure, Square-Enix will re-assure people about it, but then again their the ones making the money here, and it's not like they are going to sit around and tell everyone they will quite probably be releasing an inferior product.

Understand, Sony is a corperate Godzilla, very few people are actually fans of the company. This is about the game, pure and simple.


Whether anyone wants to agree or not, the bottom line is that many people believe (and can make some oddly good cases for) single-system games being superior to ones designed for multiple platforms because of there being less concerns.

I also sort of feel that even if it's not an issue right now, that the whole Blu-Ray angle of things is going to be a factor to multi-platform development. Frankly the PS-3 might be hard to work with, but it's still got a monsterous amount of untapped power that can be exploited. If everyone winds up developing for two platforms and wants the games to more or less be equal between them, it discourages developers from fully exploiting the PS-3 and building games around it's capabilities. That IS a big deal if you paid money (especially early on) for such a powerful system, and endured the less than rousing start of the PS-3 because of it's potential power.

Square-Enix being one of those companies that one would expect to be at the forefront of learning to use the PS-3 to it's fullest.

Personally I have both consoles right now, so don't take this the wrong way. In the end it doesn't much matter to me personally (and I really mean this, not as some kind of sideways evasion). I do however understand the point of view of those who ONLY own a PS-3 system. As well as those who do not want another big voice (Microsoft) to have even an indirect say in the development of a long-standing franchise like Final Fantasy along with all the other influances on it. Like it or not, a hardware manufacturer can have a pretty substantial influance on products like this, especially in today's era of online services, DLC (which they host), and other assorted factors.

If for example Microsoft was to demand that Bill Gates make an apperance in every Final Fantasy title from now on (along with Wedge, Biggs, and Cid), with billions of dollars in potential sales on the line, and control over the online services... well... despite being a joke example chances are Square Enix would comply, given the logic that lead to them going cross platform to begin with. After all, from their perspective it's just one more piece of artwork/animation... but to any sane player (never mind a fanboy) Ridiculous example but the point here is that now you have TWO console companies leveraging it.
 

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s69-5 said:
Therumancer said:
I see what you're saying, but Square is big enough itself to be able to handle Sony and Microsoft. If anything, Microsoft outright seeking Square this gen only serves to prove my point. Microsoft was looking for leverage in the Eastern territories so, it payed for timed exclusives and was able to persuade Square to release it's biggest seller on their system as a multiplat release.

If anything, Microsoft is not looking for Square to change their game format. They are looking to draw in the type of gamer who plays those games enough to purchase a 360. The logic works.

I myself have a PS3 but not a 360. Seeing as how FF13 should get a wider audience, I think it's mostly win-win (except for a small issue with a few pruned features that were not game breaking when removed).
Yea, Square doesn't need to play by Microsoft or Sony's rules. They can go to whatever system they want and a Final Fantasy game will still sell big.
 

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Stupid fanboys. It's a free console you dumbass. If your gonna be that much of a douche about it at least gracefully accept and get a couple hundred bucks for it on e-bay.
 

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Therumancer said:
It's a bad thing from the perspective of fanboys because by going multi-platform it means that more businessmen are going to start having a say in what happens with the franchise.
If you think the businessmen don't already have the only say that matters in the franchise, you haven't been paying attention since about FF2 (And for once I actually mean the US one. The localisation of FF2/3 for the NES was skipped to take advantage of the SNES being the big thing in the US market).

Square isn't a company of five guys any more, they do what the suits say.
 

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Jamiemitsu said:
Heh, I probably would have booed, too.

I mean, FFXIII was originally meant to be a ps3 exclusive, and there are TV ads in the uk which only acknowledge the 360, almost as if its an xbox exclusive.
TBH the UK ad's that only acknowledge the 360 do get me worked up a bit. I hate that I'm such a fanboy but it was supposed to be a crowning jewel in the ps3 crown, and all of a sudden it's all about the 360? I mean how hard is it to say "Out now on xbox360 and ps3" it's like 6 extra letters (or 5 and a number but who cares THAT much)
 

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It's probably not that they don't like the xbox, but more that they're pissed that it comes on multiple discs for all platforms. I remember reading an article about that a while ago. They said they were doing it so "One console didn't have an advantage over the other". Now that is just silly.
 

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Enigmers said:
SmartIdiot said:
Though I'd like to think FF13 learned from the mistakes of 12.
I think FF12 was actually a much better game that FF13, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
I felt it was incredibly lacking on the story and desperately lacking in characterisation. Granted, with the story things started to become more apparent after 30 hours of gameplay, but it shouldn't take that long to get to that point and it just struck me as... ludicrously pretentious. The characters... well, they were flat, 2-dimensional, I didn't know anything about them! Their quirks, their ticks, their personality traits. They had none! This was a major short-coming as in the past this is one of the major things Final Fantasy was most loved for. Oh and we had to program our own battles. Not fun in the slightest.

But hey that's just my take on it.

Now I predict I'm about to get shot down in flames by several people for that.
 

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So they're upset because more people will get to play a poorly made game?

I know this is the Internet, but that's so illogical it actually goes full circle and starts to make sense.
 

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Eh... It'd be a bit like Halo going multi-platform. Yeah, the early history of the developer wasn't with Microsoft, but the two have become so linked that it's a bit like a betrayal of the original fans.

Remember all the people complaining about how CoD had forgotten the PC gaming grounds in which it had been planted, blossoming instead in the verdant console greens? It's kind of the same thing.

Imagine Mario going multi-platform.
Sir Ollie said:
You sure they weren't booing at George Lamb?

I hate that guy.

Alright maybe not. But! I mean they could give something like this.


Abit better then a standard super elite with Final Fantasy XIII
This preety much sums it up, FF was always on eighter a nintendo/PS platform or on the PC, making a game that was innitialy PS3 exclusive into a mutiplatform and then making it seem that its a 360 exclusive is just showing how commercial Square Enix has become.
Why was Lost odisey a 360 exclusive and FF13 a multiplatform? Heck at least make it fair for PS3 owners by making Lost Odisey and other Square E. titles multiplatform since they spontaneously became so keen on selling their stuff.

Also why give a 360 bundle away? can't a guy choose?
 

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From the boos you'd think that square enix devoted all of it's resources to the 360 version and replaced the ps3 version with an early build of pong.
Ayuvir said:
FF was always on either a Nintendo/PS platform or on the PC, making a game that was initialy PS3 exclusive into a multi-platform and then making it seem that its a 360 exclusive is just showing how commercial Square Enix has become.
Why was Lost odyssey a 360 exclusive and FF13 a multi-platform? Heck at least make it fair for PS3 owners by making Lost Odyssey and other Square E. titles multi-platform since they spontaneously became so keen on selling their stuff.
Lost Odyssey was made by Mistwalker, not Square-Enix
 

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SmartIdiot said:
Enigmers said:
SmartIdiot said:
Though I'd like to think FF13 learned from the mistakes of 12.
I think FF12 was actually a much better game that FF13, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
I felt it was incredibly lacking on the story and desperately lacking in characterisation. Granted, with the story things started to become more apparent after 30 hours of gameplay, but it shouldn't take that long to get to that point and it just struck me as... ludicrously pretentious. The characters... well, they were flat, 2-dimensional, I didn't know anything about them! Their quirks, their ticks, their personality traits. They had none! This was a major short-coming as in the past this is one of the major things Final Fantasy was most loved for. Oh and we had to program our own battles. Not fun in the slightest.

But hey that's just my take on it.

Now I predict I'm about to get shot down in flames by several people for that.
I'm actually into programming, so rather than having to program my own battles not being fun, I felt the system was too restrictive for my tastes - one condition -> one action. I think it could have been better if you could cue up multiple actions for one condition, or vice-versa - or give a bunch of gambits equal priority, so they execute in a loop, that sort of thing.

I actually liked the fact that the story got out of the way, especially since they didn't try to do the whole slobbery romance thing they tried in Final Fantasy 8.

I guess I played it like an MMO without stupid people.