Final Fantasy Fans Boo Xbox 360 at London Event

[DemonCrim]

Who cares what otaku-tards think? "oh noes, teh xoboxe is not japanese >_<"

Wow that was pretty damn racist.

 

[DemonCrim]

Though I'd like to think FF13 learned from the mistakes of 12.

I think FF12 was actually a much better game that FF13, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

I felt it was incredibly lacking on the story and desperately lacking in characterisation. Granted, with the story things started to become more apparent after 30 hours of gameplay, but it shouldn't take that long to get to that point and it just struck me as... ludicrously pretentious. The characters... well, they were flat, 2-dimensional, I didn't know anything about them! Their quirks, their ticks, their personality traits. They had none! This was a major short-coming as in the past this is one of the major things Final Fantasy was most loved for. Oh and we had to program our own battles. Not fun in the slightest.

But hey that's just my take on it.

Now I predict I'm about to get shot down in flames by several people for that.

I'm actually into programming, so rather than having to program my own battles not being fun, I felt the system was too restrictive for my tastes - one condition -> one action. I think it could have been better if you could cue up multiple actions for one condition, or vice-versa - or give a bunch of gambits equal priority, so they execute in a loop, that sort of thing.

I actually liked the fact that the story got out of the way, especially since they didn't try to do the whole slobbery romance thing they tried in Final Fantasy 8.

I guess I played it like an MMO without stupid people.

This makes me sad cause I liked 8

 

[duchaked]

people really need to be mature and try to show some respect ><

it's hard enough being labeled as a gamer and not have it be a somewhat positive/neutral title

 

[Aedrial]

Heh, I probably would have booed, too.

I mean, FFXIII was originally meant to be a ps3 exclusive, and there are TV ads in the uk which only acknowledge the 360, almost as if its an xbox exclusive.

You would have booed? I think it just showed how immature the crowd were.

As far as the adds go, I'm sure Microsoft must have put some money in if the 360 is getting a plug. Maybe SONY should put their hands in their pockets as well.

Multiplatform is a great step for a developer. A bigger audience, more sales, more money for the next title.

Having said that I will not be getting the new FF. Been there and done that, I'm bored with JRPGs.

a game like this cannot look good on the xbox, it needs to stay on the ps3, multiplatform games hurt the ps3 because..

its easy to program first for the xbox then port it over to the ps3, in turn the graphics are not as good for the ps3 as they should be.. the proof is in games like GTA, Ghostbusters, MW2, and so on.

if you take exclusives for both systems and put them side to side the PS3 always looks much better,

Just to be an ass I'd like to mention that PC usually looks better than both... Although I do like the PS3 and 360 for each of their individual merits.

 

[SilentHunter7]

The funny thing is that Final Fantasy used to be a Nintendo exclusive.

Irony, thy name is Final Fantasy fanboys.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

The funny thing is that Final Fantasy used to be a Nintendo exclusive.

Irony, thy name is Final Fantasy fanboys.

I know, that's what I was thinking.

Not only that, but what does it matter getting a free Xbox means you can play it regardless! They're giving away a console so the winner can play it, if you were at the launch odds are you had either console already which means you shouldn't give a crap.

If I had a PS3 and won a 360 I'd be like "Sweet, new console. Now I can play exclusives for both!"

 

[Treblaine]

You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

You can count on journalists to pander to fanbases, I've seen it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. When Resident Evil 4 got ported from Gamecube to PS2 any graphical difference was heavily played down, sure the PS2 version was "oh kaaay" but if you have ever played the Gamecube version you'd realise how much it was butchered in the port. But games journalists (like so many journalists) lack so much drive for insight an truth, and often are little more than droning hype-machines... because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

Sure FF13 on 360 is "good enough"... if you never knew how good the PS3 version was, everything is good enough if you don't know the alternative. I'm quite sure I'd be content with a NES if I never knew of any other gaming system.

Journalist are supposed to inform us on the best way to spend our money and they have FAILED if any say the 360 version of FF13 is as good as the PS3 version as most likely they have only done a poor comparison if no proper comparison at all. That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.

because they shouldn't have to, a game is a game no matter what system, i wouldn't give a rats arse if Halo was ported, fuck the graphics, it's the game play that matters. saying that FF is better on the PS3 because of the graphics is like saying this Toyota Supra looks better in chrome paint because its shinier, it doesn't matter because they are both the same car and do the exact same, regardless of how they look.

"a game is a game"

That's a redundant statement, a Ferarri is a car, so is a Fiat Punto, that's it.

The differences in games DO matter, graphics MAY not matter to you but it is utterly insulting to imply that they don't matter to anyone especially considering a game like Final Fantasy 13 is ALL ABOUT appearance, it doesn't depend on a tight control scheme, it really is mostly looks.

And your paint comparison is right out because you are making the completely fallacious point as it the only difference is colour preference. BULLSHIT. Extending your analogy it's more like both "cars" are the same colour and while one has the paint meticulously sprayed on and given a double wax coat to bring out the shine, the other version just has the pain paint slapped on with a brush!

Sure if you step back, squint and don't look too closely then they both seem fine... but games like Final Fantasy 13 are ALL ABOUT soaking in the beautiful vistas, it's turn based combat, it's about summoning a monster and watching a 5 minute attack sequence. In that case visuals DO matter.

This would be all right if everyone KNEW the disparity in quality between the products and also that the compromised product had a relevant price cut to help them make an informed decision, but that is not the case. It seems the media are determined to stick to the bullshit narrative that Square-Enix PR have been feeding them since day one that both version will be identical.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Sure if you step back, squint and don't look too closely then they both seem fine... but games like Final Fantasy 13 are ALL ABOUT soaking in the beautiful vistas, it's turn based combat, it's about summoning a monster and watching a 5 minute attack sequence. In that case visuals DO matter.

FF13's combat is actually highly active, you will be changing paradigms often, even in standard fights.

 

[Nyrad01]

You examples don't contradict anything except themselves.

You can count on journalists to pander to fanbases, I've seen it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. When Resident Evil 4 got ported from Gamecube to PS2 any graphical difference was heavily played down, sure the PS2 version was "oh kaaay" but if you have ever played the Gamecube version you'd realise how much it was butchered in the port. But games journalists (like so many journalists) lack so much drive for insight an truth, and often are little more than droning hype-machines... because hype sells magazines and draws ad revenue.

Sure FF13 on 360 is "good enough"... if you never knew how good the PS3 version was, everything is good enough if you don't know the alternative. I'm quite sure I'd be content with a NES if I never knew of any other gaming system.

Journalist are supposed to inform us on the best way to spend our money and they have FAILED if any say the 360 version of FF13 is as good as the PS3 version as most likely they have only done a poor comparison if no proper comparison at all. That's because more often than not they are in the business of telling us what we want to hear.

because they shouldn't have to, a game is a game no matter what system, i wouldn't give a rats arse if Halo was ported, fuck the graphics, it's the game play that matters. saying that FF is better on the PS3 because of the graphics is like saying this Toyota Supra looks better in chrome paint because its shinier, it doesn't matter because they are both the same car and do the exact same, regardless of how they look.

"a game is a game"

That's a redundant statement, a Ferarri is a car, so is a Fiat Punto, that's it.

The differences in games DO matter, graphics MAY not matter to you but it is utterly insulting to imply that they don't matter to anyone especially considering a game like Final Fantasy 13 is ALL ABOUT appearance, it doesn't depend on a tight control scheme, it really is mostly looks.

And your paint comparison is right out because you are making the completely fallacious point as it the only difference is colour preference. BULLSHIT. Extending your analogy it's more like both "cars" are the same colour and while one has the paint meticulously sprayed on and given a double wax coat to bring out the shine, the other version just has the pain slapped on with a brush!

Sure if you step back, squint and don't look too closely then they both seem fine... but games like Final Fantasy 13 are ALL ABOUT soaking in the beautiful vistas, it's turn based combat, it's about summoning a monster and watching a 5 minute attack sequence. In that case visuals DO matter.

This would be all right if everyone KNEW the disparity in quality between the products and also that the compromised product had a relevant price cut to help them make an informed decision, but that is not the case. It seems the media are determined to stick to the bullshit narrative that Square-Enix PR have been feeding them since day one that both version will be identical.

I have to agree with arc1991 here, with the car paint difference, I think if you narrowed it down to FF13 on the xBox and PS3, you would find the paint is all that will differ. The performance wont, the games won't run differently they'll run the same, but the look will differ slightly. And, without playing many JRPG's because I'm not too fond of them, are the drives for games like Final Fantasy not a good story these days? I never thought graphics would matter if there was a good story to hold the game up.

And why can't people be happy they don't need to splash out to buy a new console to play a game when they can play it on both I thought people would like that...

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

the other version just has the pain slapped on with a brush!

I'm sorry, I really don't want to derail this thread, but this phrase gave me a mental image of a huge bearded wrestler with a brush in one hand and a tin of paint in the other, snarling fiercely as he starts slapping on the pain!

Apologies. I just thought this was the funniest typo I've ever seen.

 

[Treblaine]

the other version just has the pain slapped on with a brush!

I'm sorry, I really don't want to derail this thread, but this phrase gave me a mental image of a huge bearded wrestler with a brush in one hand and a tin of paint in the other, snarling fiercely as he starts slapping on the pain!

Apologies. I just thought this was the funniest typo I've ever seen.

LOL!

It may have been a Freudian slip

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Who cares what otaku-tards think? "oh noes, teh xoboxe is not japanese >_<"

Wow that was pretty damn racist.

Why is it? An otaku is someone, regardless of nationality, who loves everything Japanese to the disapproval of everything else. I now a few, they are so into Japanese culture that they use random Japanese words and won't watch anything other than anime and play only Japanese games.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

"Boo! It's what we want but also what other people want! CATER ONLY TO US!"

Fanboys: logic need not apply.

How dare you bastards try to let other people enjoy something we love?! YOU SICK FUCKING PRICKS!

I hate fanboys.

 

[Killjoi]

Shameful behavior. Proving once again that fanboys are nothing but a bunch of stuck up jerks.

If Oprah gifted them a car, they would boo her and say it's not the right make.

 

[geon106]

I Really hate the way the FF adverts end with "On Xbox 360" I'm like, eh? Wheres PS3?

 

[Ayuvir]

From the boos you'd think that square enix devoted all of it's resources to the 360 version and replaced the ps3 version with an early build of pong.

FF was always on either a Nintendo/PS platform or on the PC, making a game that was initialy PS3 exclusive into a multi-platform and then making it seem that its a 360 exclusive is just showing how commercial Square Enix has become.
Why was Lost odyssey a 360 exclusive and FF13 a multi-platform? Heck at least make it fair for PS3 owners by making Lost Odyssey and other Square E. titles multi-platform since they spontaneously became so keen on selling their stuff.

Lost Odyssey was made by Mistwalker, not Square-Enix

My bad I was damn sure it was tho.

 

[sam13lfc]

Pathetic.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Eh... It'd be a bit like Halo going multi-platform. Yeah, the early history of the developer wasn't with Microsoft, but the two have become so linked that it's a bit like a betrayal of the original fans.

Remember all the people complaining about how CoD had forgotten the PC gaming grounds in which it had been planted, blossoming instead in the verdant console greens? It's kind of the same thing.

Imagine Mario going multi-platform.

This is not even close to this hypothetical. FF was originally a nintendo franchise that moved to the PSX because nintendo refused to move on to CD-ROMs as their primary form of Media. Square Enix realized that attaching themselves to the PS3 alone when the two consoles have pretty much divided the market in half was stupid. What did Sony ever do for them, really. They did not contribute to development costs (a la Mass Effect and KOTOR). They were not under some sort of contract. Square-Enix was under no obligation to justify their fan-boy's purchase of the PS3 when it was never annouonced as an exclusive. It was just assumed.

This whole console wars thing is getting really freaking old.

"Yeah, the early history of the developer wasn't with Microsoft, but the two have become so linked that it's a bit like a betrayal of the original fans"

That's the difference. I know the history, but that's not what the emotions are about. The emotions are about the feeling that Square-Enix is inextricably linked to Sony

Also the fact that Sony saved Square-Enix after "The Spirits Within" nearly bankrupted them.

 

[SilentVirus]

What is with elitist fanboys? All they do is whine and complain about their opinion being higher and correct than others.

 

[scotth266]

People want to be told the console they have is the best version to play, it's a nice story to read, reassuring. It's not reassuring to discover the first time a Final Fantasy game has had a multiplatform release has been compromised, this is the longest developed Final Fantasy game yet partly down to it's multi-platform release.

I don't get what you're trying to say here, so I'm not going to respond to this part until you clarify it.

As to hearing what I want to hear Digital Foundry is INCREDIBLY analytical and takes all subjective measures out, it is all quantified, measured and compared. There is nothing open to interpretation, there is no way you can just brush off a hit to the resolution of moving down from 720p to 576p. Why should anyone settle for horribly compressed video for cutscenes that have been so meticulously rendered? Your sources use only subjective comparison which is HUGELY open to prejudiced interpretation.

Have they counted the pixels? Have they applied all the knowledge and experience of the industry? Or have they just taken a glance and convinced them-self "nah, they're the same, that's the answer that'll please everyone". Where is the objectivity!

I'll agree with you that your source uses science and mine uses subjective interpretation. However, if the majority of the gamers can tell no difference between the two versions until a side-by-side comparison is made (presumably with high-definition TVs, to boot), I fail to see the problem.

So the science indicates that the 360 version runs at a lower whatever-it-is. That's cool and all, but as the differences appear to be minor, nobody except the fanboys care. The game looks absolutely gorgeous on the 360, and a teeny bit more gorgeous on the PS3, but it's certainly no deal-breaker, and definetly not a reason to call the 360 version a load of bollocks.

Also, Gamespot has done comparisons stories on multiplatform titles using technical stuff like framerates and pixel counts. So yeah, when they say "there is no appreciable difference between the two platforms" I'm inclined to believe them, especially when I see no appreciable difference in the video you posted.

I'm glad you're enjoying your DotA, but don't think just because you have other gaming priorities you have somehow proven any point about FF13.

The DotA comment was made offhandedly outside our argument. It was simply to state that I'm too preoccupied to care much about what version of XIII I'm going to get at the moment.