Final Fantasy XIII International Trailer is Emo

MattAn24

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
See they need one of these games with an ACDC song for the cover. Honestly this game series really needs to die.... Or have some form of satisfying ending for the fans. Is this fr FF13 or 14? Wierd to anounce a sequel when the game before it hasn't come out....
It's NOT a sequel of any other game! Get your damn facts straight before you post. Each and every Final Fantasy game is different! Final Fantasy XIV is an MMO that's been in the works for two years now to be the successor to Final Fantasy XI, which was a complete trainwreck of an MMO. What's been announced so far is that FFXIV will be -vastly- more awesome that FFXI anyway.

As for the song.. I can see that SE is aiming for a softer theme for the games, seeing as it's more of a blockbuster epic drama storyline, but personally, I'm impartial to Leona Lewis stuff.. She's cute though? o_O I'm sure there could've been worse.

Doesn't matter anyway, RPG's are clearly my favorite genre, JRPG's a tad more than WRPG's, I just couldn't stand Fallout 3, but I'm loving Borderlands.. Oh well, I likes me my Final Fantasy epics... Except VIII.. That can die in a fire along with it's Mary Sue, Rinoa.
 

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oliveira8 said:
The music is so bad. So bad it distracts from the trailer. Don't tell me that is the theme song?
I'm not sure what made them change it to Leona Lewis' song 'My Hands' for the US and EU releases. In my opinion this is an outright stupid move, that song is completely out of place for a FF game. Its like using Metallica for the main theme in the game where most of the music is by Tokyo Hotel.

Oh, and that trailer reeks with spoilers, thought I'd warn you if you are serious about playing FF13 when its out in US.
 

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i see what you mean how the game focuses on story, but i've been having this argument about JRPGs a lot recently, emos...don't...sell

that first half made absolutely no sense at all, and i hate it when something wants to have a good story and ends up having an overly eblaborate story that viewers get easily lost in. now this isn't about the story of the game, it's about the message the commercial conveys. if you wanna sell a game or any product, don't make it appeal to one group of consumers (in this case, it's the emos and animetards, which are non-surprisingly two groups often confused and mixed together) you have to make it appeal to the masses. to do that, don't loose their interest with a sappy love story but rather hook them in with some badass action, mild story elements, and cliff hangers.

remember, not everyone is a lonely emo, thus not everyone can relate to these characters, and all the characters have their own emo problem they won't shut-up about. personally, i like a character with a good back-story and an emotional side but is strong enough to not let that get in the way of his life. and good example is deadpool from marvel. he's got a gruesome past he wants to forget, he's had several touchy moments of love and loss, but they don't get in the way of his character: a clinically insane mercenary who's easily the most hilarious comic book character in history.

in any story, there need to be characters that the audience can relate to and connect to. it's hard to do that when all the characters are emos.
 

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Its very pretty... but it still falls into all the pitfalls that turn me off to a game like that. Especially with none of the characters being likable, or different.

But like all FF games I will give it for having nice art design and good visuals. Though in this case it almost works against it since most of the battles in the trailer leave me wondering as to what just happened... Too much going on at once. The music is usually good, but the trailer music was atrocious, didnt work at all
 

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Well there is no need to get so freaking upset. I have only played FF7 at a friends house like three years ago. so when I hear that there are nearly 30 games in all, I can only imagine how complex the games story is. Honestly I'll stick with my Oblivion and Classic rock. (at the same time odviously =P) Edit: Not to say the game is bad, just that its not for me. Only JRPG I ever liked was Phantasy Star Universe.
 

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It's like some of the designers heard the song and were like "Damn, this is fucking lame. How do we jack this up a notch?"

"Giant Robot/Motorcycles."

And that's how the game was made.
 

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Terrible music. Made the game seem less like Final Fantasy and more like some animated soap opera.

Amazing orchestral scores is what FF music should be and what they should put in their trailers... none of this cheesy crap. Game looks decent though.
 

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Must. Get. Game.

Also, now I can't get Leona Lewis's hit song "Bleeding Love" out of my head. Thanks, assholes.
 

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The music is terrible and feels out of place. However, the voice acting is impressive. Major improvement over FF12's "I'm Basch fon Rosemburg of Dalmasca!" bits.
 

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I tap two lands and play "WALL OF TEXT!!!"


The consistant problem with Final Fantasy is that we barely know any of the characters and we're expected to give a shit. So when they get all ;~; Teary eyed and super emotionalz like? It doesn't do anything. Imagine walking in on your grandmother's soap opera half way through and some random woman you don't know is pouring her eyes out - do you give a shit?

That's final fantasy in a nutshell. Remember as far back as FF7? Remember what the trailers were like? They didn't show you boo-hooing and wanking off no, they showed you riding a motorcycle down a busy madmax highway, they showed Cloud leaping off a train, they showed shit blowing up, and when you got inside, you found out there was more to it - people with pretty much blank personalities that developed over time as you played along. Their plights were (more or less...) realistic and ya gave a shit because they didn't dump it on you at the start. And by the start I mean the trailer, obviously they'll push this emotional droll I can't wait to skip somewhere past disc 2.

Maybe they should try something else to make a character interesting, it seems Enix is stuck on dragging the Mary Sue trope through the ground. I have an idea to make them special, lets put TRAGEDY in their lives! No...Knock it the hell off. Give me real people with real problems that I can fucking relate to.

I've more experience with FF8 because thats one of the few I had mind enough to pay attention to, and it rang with me solidly because at the time I was an emotional shut in with no girlfriend in freshman year of Highschool and here I was playing an emotional shutin who thought he didn't need anybody - in a highschool setting. So it won major points with me at the time, but what it did was set up the characters over four grueling discs, it didn't jam it all down your throat in the trailer. You had some sense there was something going on between him and Rinoa because of all the dancing and feather scenes they jammed in but you didn't know what the crap was going on, you just knew that when Squall met her in the game, something important had happend but you still had to work to figure out what the hell that was.

Don't get me wrong - I just hate when the characters get pretentious. More important than they really are. It doesn't help that certain tragedies (orphaned, parents dead, the biggest offender) aren't responded to realistically. 'I changed my name cuz stuff!' ...urgh. When you've got to put more effort than the typical person needs to just to balance out your psychi it portrays you as a mentally weak individual incapable of growing up on your own without the power of lovely friendship and friendly lovingness, that's fine and dandy but I'd like for my characters to have that mental fortitude to make it on their own, with friends around to make them realize, they can do that ...but having friends around is better. *COUGH* Cloud *COUGH* Squall *COUGH*, not to get caught with their psychological pants down and having to spill the beans and now everyone knows their dark secret so they've gotta heel-face turn their whole personality then and there since obviously once you tell someone - all of your problems are for-the-time-being solved.

Don't get me wrong - The trailer is definitly a lot more pretentious than the actual game can ever be, thank you editing. It looks beautiful, based on what little glimpses we get from the combat system it looks like it plays well, and there's a hero-figure for us westerners to bank on to keep us planted in our seats. It'll be a decent game or I'll eat my nonexistant hat. I'm just saying her dead parents BETTER BE RELEVANT TO THE PLOT.

In all of the old stories what you would have is a small hero dealing with his own personal plights and then he'd eventually realize his issue is everyone elses. As his vision expands beyond his own selfish needs he realizes whatever plague is set upon him has a much broader scope, and for whatever reason, it is he who has to take the first step and save his land. His strong conviction magnetizes others to the cause simply for the fact that they would have been this hero if only they had a little more courage, a little more strength, and a little more conviction of their own.

In STARK CONTRAST let's take Dragon Age's Human Noble. Warning: vague spoilers - skip this paragraph. You start out as a character of obvious significance in a castle with 'oh a small war' just on the other side of the hill and you're set on meaningless fetch quests until eventualy it's revealed that the guy in the bright armor who was hinting severely that he wasn't here for Sir Gilmore spills the beans and states the obvious. What bothers me is that everyone is stern browed and shooting names out like a bad Tolkien Fanfiction. Highever, Cousland Family, The Blight, Ozammar. I don't know who the hell these people are, where the hell they're from, or what the cultural significance of a crappy little shanty town not 20 meters across with explorable houses has on the rest of the world. They've shoving names down my throat and they expect me to care. What I want you to garner form this is that yes, you are important. You're so damned important you've got Hero tattooed on one of your ass-cheeks. There are big important places that you need to save from a big important evil or bad things will happen to a world you've barely spent 5 minutes in. OooOoOoOOOoO! SpoOoOoOoky JAAaaaAaAazz HaaAAaAands. Who the hell is the blight anyway? Oh they're lead by a dragon or something, that's cool. I haven't fought a dragon yet so I don't know how scary they are. Turns out, they aren't, if you've got 10 healing potions and a good sidestep you can hack one of their back legs once, move before the dragon kicks you, then move back in and repeat ad-nausium until you get bored, just dont stand in front or behind it. Annnd apparently this blight turns humanoids into Locust, ok thats neat. I haven't seen them tear up a town yet, I haven't seen them in greater numbers than 5 in small packs across a sprawled meadow...If you're going to tell me the Blight is some great threat four minutes into the game you better show it to me. All in all I feel like the Noble Hero is just this massive internet troll wrangling up an army for shits and giggles. Show, don't tell. Infact, don't tell me at all until I'm in a position where I care.

If FF13's going to make it in my book, they'd better have the water works toned down and the plot set at a reasonable pace. If this game starts with lightning busting cacoon heads driving around the streets of super-sky-city shouting at some big scary guy with a sinister "I mean business" smirk on her face seconds before she gets the drop on them by leaping off the side of the floating city to decend below into an escape vehicle that speeds off into the sunset while highly styalized co-stars perk up with their more than overly obvious right-out-on-their-skin personalities asking "well what do we do now?" I'm going to be seriously put off. Why am I so worked up when it's just a game? Because I'm BORED and I'm tired of seeing the same shit all the time.
 

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Caligulove said:
Especially with none of the characters being likable, or different.
.....? What trailer were you watching? All the characters are very well done, unique, and I find them very likable(except the little emo boy).

Why are so many people complaining about it being possibly too complicated? I hear people cry all the time for a good story and finally we get one that looks decent and everyone is scared away by how awesome it is. That just doesn't make sense to me.
But man am I ever stoked for this game. Had Agito it pre-ordered a while ago along with Versus(which I think looks slightly less intriguing but whatever).
 

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I'll be blunt here.

I play video games to get away from reality, and having a depressing, pain and angst filled life. When I play a game like Final Fantasy I do so not because I want to experience a massive downer of a story about "oh well, at least we tried, and got further than anyone ever thought we would". I mean I'm all for the whole "Charge Of The Light Brigade" type thing, but not as the resolution of a fantasy/escapism story.

Truthfully, it seems to me that as time goes on Final Fantasy has been getting increasingly more Emo. Pretty much VI and IX were the only ones with "good" endings overall. VII ended with a giant cliffhanger showing a destroyed city and leaving you to wonder whether humanity was judged worthy of survival or not (and if perhaps we had been replaced by sentinent wolf things as the dominant species). It took an even bigger downer of a prequel, and a feature film length movie to end the story on anything resembling a positive note. I won't even get into VIII, but I don't think a prequel and/or movie could salvage that one. X ended with the "hero" (who was admittedly obnoxious) turning out to be a construct who was no longer needed, breaking the heart of his love interest, and leaving things on something of an unresolved note overall. The sequel revealed the guy the construct was based on to more or less be a twit, and ending with even more angst (even if you unlock the final scene), maybe the story had a happy ending in "Final Mission" but well... the US never got that. XII might have ended well, but I never finished it for reasons which would get well off subject.

At any rate, I'll say that if this game doesn't have a happy or "good" ending (even as an option) I might call it quits for the series. From what little I've seen so far it seems mostly to be being set up as a no win scenario, and if it ends on a "whelp, at least we tried, and that's all that mattered" note I'm going to be irritated. Honestly with some of the emo endings in JRPGs, I'm surprised they haven't started releasing them with boxcutters for end-of-game wrist slashing as an extra.

I'll still be giving this game a shot, but I am *HOPING* Lightning does not wind up simply being a female Cloud. Truthfully RPG protaganists on both sides of the ocean (East and West) need some work. Unless you create your own character/have a silent protaganist typically you wind up with an overly enthisiastic do-gooder with the brains of a twig (like say Rush Sykes in Last Remnant, which was an Eastern game for a Western audience) or you wind up with some kind of withdrawn moody "Oh pity my dark history and emotional pain..." dweeb who spends half his time brooding. Kaim (from Lost Odyssey) fits this stereotype, though admittedly his most annoying moments come from some of the (admittedly well written) stories which occasionally make me wonder why the dude hadn't yet bothered to stick his own head into a blender to end his own misery.

At least Lightning seems to be blonde, I suppose that is a good sign. She doesn't have the expected pitch black hair-ivory white skin one expects from the quintessential emo stereotype.

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One exception to the above: horror games. I prefer a happy ending, but in that genere it's okay to be morose and macabre along the way. Fantasy games need to realize they aren't going to do Michael Moorcock better than he did, and even Elric was part of a cycle that makes it a bit less of a downer if you *really* understand the subtext and that it's simply part of a larger cycle.

I'm kind of happy that Squeenix didn't simply decide to recycle Sepiroth's art and personality as a protaganist, while giving him this "new gimmick" of a giant black runesword that moans, and has an unfortunate tendency to "slip" in combat and suck the souls of his friends at odd moments. Oh and hey, he could be exiled from his home city/empire O'evil for having something similar to a conscience, and sit around drinking in dive bars with an ugly little dwarf sidekick, only to have people wander up, ask him for help, only to usually be killed by him in the process of him trying to help them. :p

Maybe that will be Final Fantasy XV
 

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Lullabye said:
Caligulove said:
Especially with none of the characters being likable, or different.
.....? What trailer were you watching? All the characters are very well done, unique, and I find them very likable(except the little emo boy).

Why are so many people complaining about it being possibly too complicated? I hear people cry all the time for a good story and finally we get one that looks decent and everyone is scared away by how awesome it is. That just doesn't make sense to me.
But man am I ever stoked for this game. Had Agito it pre-ordered a while ago along with Versus(which I think looks slightly less intriguing but whatever).
Unique in appearance only, which is shit poor lame. I guarantee you we can find Cloud, Sephiroth/Squall, Vincet/Seifer, Yuffie/Selphie and Zell in there if you gave us four minutes with the real game.

Giving one character stupid hair and another character a bandana does not make unique characters. Also the main hero is an orphan, SO original.

For the record I'm not saying the game sucks ...yet. But I'm not holding my breath and I'm going to borrow it or play it at a friends house, I'm done giving those bastards my money until they can prove to me they deserve it.