Final Fantasy XIII International Trailer is Emo

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The trailer does look very nice, and I'm actually more interested in the game now than I was before seeing it. Problem is, after the descriptions I've read about the actual gameplay (which, surprise surprise, they show almost none of) it's going to take more than a pretty trailer to get me truly interested again.
 

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Unique as in, if I replace their looks and voice actor...is it 90% of another character? Believe it or not there is more to being a person than having reasons to be sad sometimes and having different clothes.

A person is composed of his decisions, his background, his friends, and his environment. When you have a vastly different background, completely different friends, and an extremely different environment, it would seem to fit that the decisions they'd make would be wholefully different. Instead we consistantly get the same 5 characters confronted with the same 2 issues, and we consistantly see the same singular answer (with someone in the back screaming 'beleive in your friends!' It's a big waste of time for me when I could have played Final Fantasy 7-2, 7-3, 7-4, 7-5, and 7-6 instead of FF9 10 10-2 11 12 (ok 12 is a stretch) and most likely 13. Why should I expect anything out of Square Enix besides better Graphics than the previous game? The only reason they still get points in my book is because they put in a lot of effort to make you play the same friggen game 9 times. For comparison all Madden does is change the number on the game cover.

An extremely predictable story is a boring story. Period. I'm not talking about 'The Good Guys Win.' I'm talking about the path that leads them there. Further, it doesn't help that you could switch out the protagonists best friend with either Square Enix's Zell or Selphie and you'd still get the same decisions made, the same outcomes. The characters backgrounds are all but ignored whenever they make a decision.

Take for instance any game where there's a priest-character. You'd think they'd stop for a minute and think maybe their religion might be more important than their friends, so they'd reflect an opposing view point other than the main hero's. I'm not talking about disagreeing with the protagonist because they want to go it alone and that someone hammers it into their supposedly thick skull that 'they dont have to do everything by themselves,' I'm talking about 'hold the fuck on billy stabs-a-lot. You cant kill the BEBG just because you want to! That's a sin!' Now that's a perfectly good place to stand right? Killing's evil. Now let's put this through the Square-Enix blender. Who's going to say this? The 20 something big busted cleric that showed up 6 main characters in? No, it's going to be the short child you got stuck with early on in the game because of course children think killing is bad, and only someone as innocent as a child could open the hero's eyes. Why the child is so innocent, how can she possibly be wrong on such a big adult issue?

It's one thing to have my mind challenged, it's one thing to put foreshadowing in, sneak in the occasional clue, and let the reader come up to their own conclusions, and god willing, be playing a game that lets them seek out those choices they think they should make but Final Fantasy has consistantly lead me by the hand ever since 7 good game or bad and I've seen it all now. I want something fresh, not something pretty.

Unique also, isn't all it's cracked up to be, I'd rather read a good book than a new book. I hear the word innovative tossed around a lot when referencing the merits of a game and I can't help but think what lot good that does for the medium. Mirrors Edge was innovative as hell and beautiful to boot but had all the replayability of a crossword puzzle.

I haven't played the game yet. This much is extremely obvious. What I'm saying is there better be more to this than the last dozen+ games or I'm not going to like it like the last 3 games.
"Unique as in, if I replace their looks and voice actor...is it 90% of another character? Believe it or not there is more to being a person than having reasons to be sad sometimes and having different clothes."
My god you are a troll if I ever saw one. Thank you for enlightening me, oh great one. I had no idea every single character in the FF universe was in fact the same person with just another outfit.

Hmm, all your examples are great, but rely heavily on specific situations. When insulting a company, try to use examples from said company. Don't make up random crap about priests. As for the whole "believe in your friends thing" I kinda facepalmed there. It's called having a "Theme". Your perfectly right when you say FF sticks with this throughout the series, seeing as it is it's theme and all. When they make these games, they are trying to convey a certain message. To the dev's at SE, making the ideal "unique" character of some random guy isn't on the top of their list.

In the end though, I guess it just comes down to our opinion. I like a good story, and I like unique characters. My definition of what qualify as such is obviously different to yours.
 

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What the FUGGIN HELL?!

This is definitely a Final Fantasy IF IT TOOK PLACE IN WALL-E!!

And having a guy named Sid the airfleet general, big fucking surprise. And what the fuck was Tidus doing there?!

RAWR!!

/gnawsonwrist
 

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Lullabye said:
"Unique as in, if I replace their looks and voice actor...is it 90% of another character? Believe it or not there is more to being a person than having reasons to be sad sometimes and having different clothes."
My god you are a troll if I ever saw one.
You've resorted to name calling. I stopped reading there.

Lullabye said:
In the end though, I guess it just comes down to our opinion. I like a good story, and I like unique characters. My definition of what qualify as such is obviously different to yours.
Except for this. I didn't say the story was bad, I said it was predictable. There's a fine line between when predictable leaps off of the precipice of rewarding into the valley of boring, and while it's my intention to allude to FF having gotten incredibly boring in recent years, my intent in speaking is that I'm rather tired of the same old thing.

While it's a bit naive of me to think; perhaps someday someone important will find my long eye-numbing rants and think 'you know what, he has a point' and make something I'd want to play again. It's entirely self-serving but what isn't?
 

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Rahnzan said:
Lullabye said:
"Unique as in, if I replace their looks and voice actor...is it 90% of another character? Believe it or not there is more to being a person than having reasons to be sad sometimes and having different clothes."
My god you are a troll if I ever saw one.
You've resorted to name calling. I stopped reading there.
XD Sorry if feelings were hurt.
 

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The amount of drama in that intro was completely unnecessary, god forbid we would want to see something like game play mechanics.
 

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Lullabye said:
Rahnzan said:
Lullabye said:
"Unique as in, if I replace their looks and voice actor...is it 90% of another character? Believe it or not there is more to being a person than having reasons to be sad sometimes and having different clothes."
My god you are a troll if I ever saw one.
You've resorted to name calling. I stopped reading there.
XD Sorry if feelings were hurt.
Sorry thar. My main forum for a while was b.net. Calling someone a troll there destroys meaningful threads and brands the accused as a witch. I really hate the term. I guess I'll read the rest of your post.

The um...priest example. It's easier to make a generalization about that-one-character-archtype since it's used throughout final fantasy in two many places, let alone several othe RPGs. My walls of text are long enough without getting THAT specific.

As for being really specific- yeah that's rather the point. I'm complaining about final fantasy in specific ways so I'm going to make specific examples to support my arguement. I don't particularly mind people sharing an opposing viewpoint so it's not like I'm going to pick apart my examples to the point where you couldn't provide a counter arguement because then there wouldn't need to be a forum. And also I'd need genius levels of IQ to be able to refute your arguement before you present it, so preparing for it is a waste of time and text.

They're specific because they need to be.

As for the main theme, it wasn't the main theme in Final Fantasy 8, it was there, but it wasn't the strongest one. 8's theme was 'grow the hell up.' 7's was don't go it alone, 9, 10, 10-2 especially, probably 11 since it's an mmo, friend it up baby!

It's a cheap shot at a deep meaningful thought. That's like saying Love is important. Well no shit it's important, love is the major theme of 90% of everything out there, and there's no coincidence that 90% of everything is crap.

It's Final Fantasy 13. By now they should be a little more grown up now. I think I and everyone else who's been with Square and Enix since they were two seperate companies can agree that YES - WE GET IT ALREADY.

I understand that there's a younger generation who hasn't latched on yet, but look at that game, does that look like the kind of game a 12 year old would care about past pretty colors and huge explosions? Dear GOD, Square-Enix give it a rest already. It's getting preachy.
 

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Onmi said:
stabnex said:
What the FUGGIN HELL?!

This is definitely a Final Fantasy IF IT TOOK PLACE IN WALL-E!!

And having a guy named Sid the airfleet general, big fucking surprise. And what the fuck was Tidus doing there?!

RAWR!!

/gnawsonwrist
You got a problem with Wall-E boy
Only with Final Fantasy horning in on that beloved treasure.
 

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Hmmm...
I have this game on pre-order and at the same time limiting my coverage of it so nothing gets ruined, including the theme song and voice acting. Yes, I'm putting my blind faith in the hope it will be a bloody good game.
And I like Leona Lewis music as well. The only bearable thing the X-Factor has spewed out since its spawning has been her.
I shall leave now and come back when I quoted, if that happens.
And now you're back.

OT: I don't get the whole emo thing. Stuff happens in real life and you get sad. It happens. You just can't let it hold you back. In my opinion, letting sad stuff hold you back from your potential is what emo is, and I don't think these people are letting anything hold them back. Sorry to get a little preachy there.
 

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gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
Hmmm...
I have this game on pre-order and at the same time limiting my coverage of it so nothing gets ruined, including the theme song and voice acting. Yes, I'm putting my blind faith in the hope it will be a bloody good game.
And I like Leona Lewis music as well. The only bearable thing the X-Factor has spewed out since its spawning has been her.
I shall leave now and come back when I quoted, if that happens.
And now you're back.

OT: I don't get the whole emo thing. Stuff happens in real life and you get sad. It happens. You just can't let it hold you back. In my opinion, letting sad stuff hold you back from your potential is what emo is, and I don't think these people are letting anything hold them back. Sorry to get a little preachy there.
And so I am. Hello!
And I don't mind the 'emo' tosh. It makes me immersed more in the game I find. Rather have characters with emotions then none at all. And I have probably misunderstood the 'emo' part and therefore I shall blame a lack of sleep if I have done so.
 

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Sasquatch99 said:
gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
Hmmm...
I have this game on pre-order and at the same time limiting my coverage of it so nothing gets ruined, including the theme song and voice acting. Yes, I'm putting my blind faith in the hope it will be a bloody good game.
And I like Leona Lewis music as well. The only bearable thing the X-Factor has spewed out since its spawning has been her.
I shall leave now and come back when I quoted, if that happens.
And now you're back.

OT: I don't get the whole emo thing. Stuff happens in real life and you get sad. It happens. You just can't let it hold you back. In my opinion, letting sad stuff hold you back from your potential is what emo is, and I don't think these people are letting anything hold them back. Sorry to get a little preachy there.
And so I am. Hello!
And I don't mind the 'emo' tosh. It makes me immersed more in the game I find. Rather have characters with emotions then none at all. And I have probably misunderstood the 'emo' part and therefore I shall blame a lack of sleep if I have done so.
It just irritates me that anytime anybody is sad about something genuinely bad happening in their life they are branded as "emo".
 

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gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
Hmmm...
I have this game on pre-order and at the same time limiting my coverage of it so nothing gets ruined, including the theme song and voice acting. Yes, I'm putting my blind faith in the hope it will be a bloody good game.
And I like Leona Lewis music as well. The only bearable thing the X-Factor has spewed out since its spawning has been her.
I shall leave now and come back when I quoted, if that happens.
And now you're back.

OT: I don't get the whole emo thing. Stuff happens in real life and you get sad. It happens. You just can't let it hold you back. In my opinion, letting sad stuff hold you back from your potential is what emo is, and I don't think these people are letting anything hold them back. Sorry to get a little preachy there.
And so I am. Hello!
And I don't mind the 'emo' tosh. It makes me immersed more in the game I find. Rather have characters with emotions then none at all. And I have probably misunderstood the 'emo' part and therefore I shall blame a lack of sleep if I have done so.
It just irritates me that anytime anybody is sad about something genuinely bad happening in their life they are branded as "emo".
Same here. Let's take Tidus for an example. He gets upset that Yuna is gonna die. He is in love with her. I'd get pissed and start crying too as would everyone else. Eh but that's modern times for you. It's uncool to be emotional it seems.
 

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Sasquatch99 said:
gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
Hmmm...
I have this game on pre-order and at the same time limiting my coverage of it so nothing gets ruined, including the theme song and voice acting. Yes, I'm putting my blind faith in the hope it will be a bloody good game.
And I like Leona Lewis music as well. The only bearable thing the X-Factor has spewed out since its spawning has been her.
I shall leave now and come back when I quoted, if that happens.
And now you're back.

OT: I don't get the whole emo thing. Stuff happens in real life and you get sad. It happens. You just can't let it hold you back. In my opinion, letting sad stuff hold you back from your potential is what emo is, and I don't think these people are letting anything hold them back. Sorry to get a little preachy there.
And so I am. Hello!
And I don't mind the 'emo' tosh. It makes me immersed more in the game I find. Rather have characters with emotions then none at all. And I have probably misunderstood the 'emo' part and therefore I shall blame a lack of sleep if I have done so.
It just irritates me that anytime anybody is sad about something genuinely bad happening in their life they are branded as "emo".
Same here. Let's take Tidus for an example. He gets upset that Yuna is gonna die. He is in love with her. I'd get pissed and start crying too as would everyone else. Eh but that's modern times for you. It's uncool to be emotional it seems.
Yeah pretty much. Oh and woo hoo! I'm not a paperboy anymore!
 

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gutterball17 said:
Sasquatch99 said:
gutterball17 said:
It just irritates me that anytime anybody is sad about something genuinely bad happening in their life they are branded as "emo".
Same here. Let's take Tidus for an example. He gets upset that Yuna is gonna die. He is in love with her. I'd get pissed and start crying too as would everyone else. Eh but that's modern times for you. It's uncool to be emotional it seems.
Yeah pretty much. Oh and woo hoo! I'm not a paperboy anymore!
Congrats, friend. *Doffs internet hat to you and offers you internet Scotch*
 

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Is it wrong I was laughing instead?

Really though, melodramatic to the MAX. I like emotion, but screaming out everything like everyone is 50 fucking feet away from you when really it is more like 5 feet! is really annoying after awhile. (the first time, that is)

I've been tempted to play FF, just havent gotten around to starting the series off personally, yet.