Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[him over there]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

 

[Knight Templar]

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

To that there are two obvious objections.

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage

I would say ignorant rather than moron, but that's beside the point. How wrong she is or isn't does not make harassment ok.

EDIT:

People have edited Thunderf00t into porn

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

A shame it's removed from the site. I would have liked to play it.

 

[lacktheknack]

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

Maybe she is, although that's not the problem I'm looking at.

I'm looking at a completely separate problem, the one that is at the root of this game getting made. And quite frankly, I care more about that problem than the woman in question being a poor debater.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I actually found this a few days ago and thought it brought up some valid points against Anita.


LOL at the Captcha: believe me

Booth babes are in fact paid by gaming companies to wear what they do. Most of her points are complete rubbish. Also the fact that she sees half naked women everywhere doesn't make it 'right'.

Men are made for male gamer power fantasies not for women to drool over. It's called false equivalence.

Zelda and Princess Peach are pretty much the exact definition of a damsel in distress. Why the hell is Zelda even being captured in the first place if she can bring Ganondorf to his knees with one spell?

All of her points are totally bogus.

ot: This is bloody horrible nice to know what some guys really want to do to a female gamer with an opinion different to their own.

 

[lacktheknack]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

 

[Pandabearparade]

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

Not at all. I addressed that a moment ago in another post. It isn't okay for any harsh trolling to occur, I'm merely pointing out the double standard that is used. She gets trolled with about the same intensity as TAA and Tfoot, but she's the only one who gets a news story or uses trolling as a shield to avoid addressing legitimate rebuttals. She implicitly groups people with genuine counters to her shoddy points with the people who tell her to make a sandwich.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

You likely haven't looked hard enough, but I did give two examples above. The Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t have both had worse trolling done to them. No news stories or violins playing on their behalf.

 

[Bazaalmon]

"Any form of constructive criticism, even from fellow women, is either ignored or labelled to be sexist against her."
Yeah, because clearly he knows constructive.
Also, donating money to kickstarter is completely voluntary.
Obviously the next step in the insane misogynist hoard's agenda is to hunt her down and burn her at the stake like a witch for daring to assume that there is a problem with sexism in video games.

 

[him over there]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

Ah sorry, I thought you were dealing in absolutes for a second there. I'm reserving judgement about her until her project comes out myself, if only to see if the accusations of manipulating easily angered and hostile groups for publicity is sincere or not.

 

[Leslie Jordan]

I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

 

[Leslie Jordan]

I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

 

[The Mighty Stove]

Ugh, I wish she would just be go away. Now with this apparently being "news worthy" she'll more then likely receive more sympathy (More money!!$!!). You disagree with Anita? That's fine then, just IGNORE her. That is one of the biggest weapons to fight against her. Seeing as how she responds to logical posts, she will not respond to them. The Newgrounds game was wrong, and pretty messed up. Sexism is a problem still, but this snake-oil salesmen is not the voice of reason for said cause.

 

[Pandabearparade]

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

I have to concede that you're right about Thunderf00t handling the problem badly. I'm not defending him, just giving an example of another person trolled with the same or greater severity and not getting the fervent support of the Internet Bureau of White Knights.

Though I see what Thunderf00t did and what Anita is doing to be extremely similar. Thunderf00t gets trolled and blamed a youtube rival. Anita gets trolled and uses it to reinforce the feminist narrative and lump all who would argue with her into the same "ignorant misogynist" group.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

...what? Are people trying to prove her point or something?

That said, has she made any of the video's she promised to use money for yet?

 

[I.Muir]

Oh wow
That is the kind of stupid thing a 6th grader would make, an especially dark 6th grader too
Ive felt this kind of stupidity reach team fortress via a bunch of guys with mics being retarded and misogynistic against a woman who was just lapping up the attention and being equally retarded.

 

[Angryman101]

hot air

Nice unbiased report there, bud.
Tell me, escapist. Does being politically correct and trying to spare people's feelings come before personal expression? Nobody is ACTUALLY being harmed with this game-it's a dumb little smear piece. What IS harmful, however, are people demanding the censorship of creativity because it sends a negative message. That is harmful to fucking society, and seeing it here makes me sick.

 

[matrix3509]

Its shit like this (including certain poor excuses for human beings in this thread) that have convinced me to just give up being a gamer. I have a whole life ahead of me and I'd rather not be affiliated or lumped in with the kind of human garbage that made this game a reality.

Rampant sexism, pink slips, brutal work conditions, and relentless sophomoric machismo. I'm seriously disillusioned with the games industry.

 

[Knight Templar]

snip

I wrote up a whole point-by-point post but I think this part really gets to the heart of the matter.

The Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t have both had worse trolling done to them. No news stories or violins playing on their behalf.

Because this is a gaming site, and those people are not really related to gaming. Like it or not this story being known is in the best interest of the public. It's newsworthy for gaming sites, whereas atheist YouTubers and their antics and harassment isn't, they may have mindless followers and attackers just as here, however that doesn't make it relevant to games.

If either of those people were connected to gaming in any meaningful way then I would agree there seems to be a double standard. Not that this shouldn't be news but that those others things should be. However your examples are from outside gaming, and that is where the "bad stuff happens so who cares" vibe is coming from. I don't see the political battle over asylum seekers coming to Australia reported in gaming news, and I don't expect to.

Why is this newsworthy? Because crap like this needs to be brought into the light and shown not to be ok. Far too many people accept this as being normal. Why are your examples not news? For the same reason my local paper isn't reporting on this, it isn't relevant to the scope of the newsroom.
[sub](apologies if this comes across as me speaking for any member of staff or any of my local paper contributors. This is my judgement of how they do operate, not any attempt to put words in their mouth or say that they should have a particular focus)[/sub]