Foreskin Man is an anti-semitic COMIC BOOK ?!?!?!?!

[CM156_v1legacy]

Oh, crap, this issue again.

I am kinda apathetic of this issue, though I don't like it being called "genital mutilation". My genitals don't take to kindly to being called "mutilated". They can be a real dick when they get angry.

Joking aside, I think there is a better way to debate this issue rather than an anti-Semitic comic book. Really, just look at his depiction of a Jewish man. Really? That's what you want to go with?

I don't think this debate will end any time soon, and for those who really want it, there will always be a way. Unless you can get in banned everywhere, some people will still be able to get it done.

Note:

Spoiler

If you took the second paragraph seriously, then you are just looking to be offended.

EDIT: And as with any issue I am apathetic on, I tend to swing with the side that doesn?t demonize me for an opposing view, and spout trumped up phrases at me or call me names. And I will give you three guesses as to which side that is, and the first two don?t count

EDIT EDIT: I am also wondering what would happen if it were done in utero. If you say it would be wrong, you would have to admit that the unborn have some rights... Mmmm... That has me thinking...

 

[Jegsimmons]

Spoiler: *slice* :Þ

Snip (No pun intended)

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

Well, see, that's the thing. It does serve a function.

First of all, basing this on the modern interpretation of evolution, there's a reason we still have it.

I imagine it has once served the purpose of protecting the ehh... well, the thing; as we were walking around naked in the forest hunting wild boar multiple thousands of years ago.
Obviously that's not really an issue today, what with clothing and the like, but I feel I should mention it.

Some say it can cause certain diseases, but if those diseases were so serious, why does man still have it?
Wouldn't we have lost it somewhere along the path of evolution from there to here?

Moreover, some say it can protect against diseases as well... so yeah?

According to the teachings of most of Europe, the foreskin also serves as a sort of "stimulus", both for the man and the woman.

Also, at this day and age, it's possible to medically "restore" the foreskin, although not to perfect condition, and people have had such procedures performed.
That alone should speak of the reason why a person should have the right to make his own decision.



So yeah.
Whether it's useless or useful is not a known fact. It's a matter of great debate, and until we know whether its good or bad, we should feel safe in the knowledge that we are born with it, and wouldn't be if it was a risk capable of doing serious harm.

And as has been stated by Therumancer already, religious beliefs does not an exception make.

The point is though that it doesn't serve any purpose now. Besides I can't imagine how it'd provide any stimulus since unless I'm mistaken, it folds back when um... erection occurs.

Besides that, doesn't circumcision help prevent infections?

Sure, it does.

Thing is though, a fair bit of Europe hasn't practised it for a very long time, and we ain't got any issues over here.

Long as you wash up, it's not a problem.

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

...... I think the issue some people are taking is that it's usually practised on a child. And it's usually before they're able to give consent.

I don't really see an issue with holding off on the circumcision until the child is old enough to make the choice... although since it's a religion & family thing, most would probably choose to do it. And then it'd be painful because... well they're having a piece of skin cut off.

There's no real easy answer. But to say it's not mandatory is to say they had a choice. And most of the time that really isn't the case.

But they do have a choice. They don't have to get their son circumcised if they don't believe in it. Obviously if they've already been circumcised, because their parents got it done when they were born, well they're shit outta luck. I'd like to think that, if that's the case, their parents were just doing what they thought was best at the time. ...not that it's all that big a loss really.

Besides that, doesn't circumcision help prevent infections?

Sure, it does.

Thing is though, a fair bit of Europe hasn't practised it for a very long time, and we ain't got any issues over here.

Long as you wash up, it's not a problem.

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

The foreskin is more than "just a flab of skin." It contains thousands of nerve endings and much more. No respectable doctor will ever tell you its a dead flab of skin. That line of thinking hasn't been used since Kellog was around telling America to circumcise or God will rain fire on America.

All skin has nerve endings and shit. I never said it was a dead flab of skin, I said it was a useless flab of skin.

Regardless why are you all jumping on me as if I'm all pro-circumcision? I couldn't care less one way or another. My point is that this isn't something worth getting so worked up over. Nobody is forcing circumcision on you. Well except maybe your parents when you're born, but at that stage you don't have the ability to make that decision for yourself.

Edit: Oops, accidentally left out an entire sentence there.

You say useless? Its a sexual organ with most of the nerves! Look at this video with actual facts. The "facts" you use are pure pseudo science, ideas that haven't seen use in CENTURIES. Hell, even Kellog acknowledged that he pushed circumcision on America purely because it removed nerves. He thought it would stop masturbation. The information you're using is hopelessly out of date with modern science and medicine and even scientific knowledge of the past.

Circumcision doesn't need to be done at birth. Circumcision at birth is like a sex change at birth, only the child can make that decision when its older.

Ok, I'm not watching that video because it deals with stuff I really don't WANT to know.
Also you keep mentioning this Kellog person, but I have no idea who that is, nor do I particularly care. And obviously you didn't pay attention to anything I said in my last post because if you had you would've noted that I say that I don't give a shit if people get circumcised or not. My main point is that this issue is not worth getting so worked up about. Already I've wasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more energy on it than it's worth.
Speaking as a person who was circumcised, I don't feel particularly hard done by. However if you are and were, then let my just get out the world's smallest violin.

If you spout your "facts" and do not want to back it up when it gets called out then don't post. Period.

You obviously don't realize that the foreskin has more importance then you say. Hell, we known about the high concentration of nerves there for years. Nerves are important to sexual organs, no one with a shred of medical knowledge would say otherwise. What you are stating goes against established fact, and fail to back it up. If you don't even care to learn the facts, then you don't care whether what your saying is true or not. Your personal views or attitude don't factor into shit, but making claims of outdated medical knowledge that has been outdated for centuries and have no desire to learn modern medicine is astounding.

The foreskin is not just a flap of skin, it encompasses much more and plays an important role. Anything else is outdated pseudo-science with no scientific backing.

I wasn't claiming otherwise. And since you're going to blatantly ignore what I'm saying, I see no reason to continue this discussion. Which is just as well because I'm sick of it anyway.

Actually yes you did. You said the foreskin was useless, and that goes against modern anatomy. I could say gravity is a myth and as an opinion, but that doesn't make it a valid statement.

California has a bill in the works that would make circumcision a felony. obviously this is a law against jewish people and the writer of the bill wrote the comic.

this man ought to be hunted down beaten and then deported to a 3rd world country.


also i really want to see this comic on 'Atop the fourth wall'.
linkara will have a hay-day.


also, im circumcised and i have no problems...seriously...nothing about the cut/uncut arguments make sense because because it doesnt honest to god matter in any way.

Not sure if your being sarcastic on the California bill.

the bill making circumcision a felony is completely real...and i have no doubt it was written with an anti-jewish mentality.

 

[Devil's Due]

Some say it can cause certain diseases, but if those diseases were so serious, why does man still have it?

We also don't need our Appendix anymore or Tonsils, but we still have the worthless stuff here and most end up having them removed before anything bad happens, such as infection.

On topic for the thread (not to you, Zero, don't worry): Now while I think this is just another crappy "my penis is/isn't circumcised, therefore those who are/aren't are obviously not as awesome and I am confused why they're not like me!" topics. But in some things.

Foreskin results in lose of pleasure for the male, yet almost a very small amount. However, removal of the foreskin results in less washing required, which many say only take a few seconds to do and it's no big deal. So if we estimated that it takes 3 seconds to wash the foreskin, and they take a shower every day, within a year they'd have wasted 18.25 hours washing their penis when they could have been doing more productive things in life, or in the lifetime (estimating average human life expentency of 75 years old, minus 10 years or so before the child actually does this kind of natural washing, grants around 1186.25 hours of their life, almost 50 days, washing their foreskin in their lifetime. Wasteful, personally.

Either way, I don't think it should be banned, as it does have medical benefits (however small lately), but the parents should be informed clearly of the pro's and cons, rather than the America "Just get it circumcised" or the European "Nah, leave it on, mate!" and then decide. Lastly, those complaining over being circumcised as a child just cause me to roll my eyes, as they're most likely the typical teenager that hates their parents doing anything for them. Those who had a scar from the very, very small small chance can complain and should get it fixed if they desire, but honestly? Just grow up.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

If the protagonist were a Nazi, then it would be at least excusable to accuse it of being anti-semitic. But we're talking about a superhero who fights against circumcision here.

Annnnnnnnd Goodwin's Law has just been invoked.


Take a look at this [http://www.icv2.com/articles/article_image.php?ig=17392]
This is the villian. A Mohel, according to wikipedia, is "a Jewish person trained in the practice of Brit milah (circumcision)".

It is quite obvious they are looking to piss people off here. And I don't see the point. I doubt this will win anyone over to their side.

 

[Corkydog]

Spoiler: *slice* :Þ

Snip (No pun intended)

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

Well, see, that's the thing. It does serve a function.

First of all, basing this on the modern interpretation of evolution, there's a reason we still have it.

I imagine it has once served the purpose of protecting the ehh... well, the thing; as we were walking around naked in the forest hunting wild boar multiple thousands of years ago.
Obviously that's not really an issue today, what with clothing and the like, but I feel I should mention it.

Some say it can cause certain diseases, but if those diseases were so serious, why does man still have it?
Wouldn't we have lost it somewhere along the path of evolution from there to here?

Moreover, some say it can protect against diseases as well... so yeah?

According to the teachings of most of Europe, the foreskin also serves as a sort of "stimulus", both for the man and the woman.

Also, at this day and age, it's possible to medically "restore" the foreskin, although not to perfect condition, and people have had such procedures performed.
That alone should speak of the reason why a person should have the right to make his own decision.



So yeah.
Whether it's useless or useful is not a known fact. It's a matter of great debate, and until we know whether its good or bad, we should feel safe in the knowledge that we are born with it, and wouldn't be if it was a risk capable of doing serious harm.

And as has been stated by Therumancer already, religious beliefs does not an exception make.

The point is though that it doesn't serve any purpose now. Besides I can't imagine how it'd provide any stimulus since unless I'm mistaken, it folds back when um... erection occurs.

Besides that, doesn't circumcision help prevent infections?

Sure, it does.

Thing is though, a fair bit of Europe hasn't practised it for a very long time, and we ain't got any issues over here.

Long as you wash up, it's not a problem.

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

...... I think the issue some people are taking is that it's usually practised on a child. And it's usually before they're able to give consent.

I don't really see an issue with holding off on the circumcision until the child is old enough to make the choice... although since it's a religion & family thing, most would probably choose to do it. And then it'd be painful because... well they're having a piece of skin cut off.

There's no real easy answer. But to say it's not mandatory is to say they had a choice. And most of the time that really isn't the case.

But they do have a choice. They don't have to get their son circumcised if they don't believe in it. Obviously if they've already been circumcised, because their parents got it done when they were born, well they're shit outta luck. I'd like to think that, if that's the case, their parents were just doing what they thought was best at the time. ...not that it's all that big a loss really.

Besides that, doesn't circumcision help prevent infections?

Sure, it does.

Thing is though, a fair bit of Europe hasn't practised it for a very long time, and we ain't got any issues over here.

Long as you wash up, it's not a problem.

*shrug* Whatever. As I said, it's not like circumcision is mandatory.

I can't believe people would get so worked up over a useless little flab of skin that doesn't do anything.

The foreskin is more than "just a flab of skin." It contains thousands of nerve endings and much more. No respectable doctor will ever tell you its a dead flab of skin. That line of thinking hasn't been used since Kellog was around telling America to circumcise or God will rain fire on America.

All skin has nerve endings and shit. I never said it was a dead flab of skin, I said it was a useless flab of skin.

Regardless why are you all jumping on me as if I'm all pro-circumcision? I couldn't care less one way or another. My point is that this isn't something worth getting so worked up over. Nobody is forcing circumcision on you. Well except maybe your parents when you're born, but at that stage you don't have the ability to make that decision for yourself.

Edit: Oops, accidentally left out an entire sentence there.

You say useless? Its a sexual organ with most of the nerves! Look at this video with actual facts. The "facts" you use are pure pseudo science, ideas that haven't seen use in CENTURIES. Hell, even Kellog acknowledged that he pushed circumcision on America purely because it removed nerves. He thought it would stop masturbation. The information you're using is hopelessly out of date with modern science and medicine and even scientific knowledge of the past.

Circumcision doesn't need to be done at birth. Circumcision at birth is like a sex change at birth, only the child can make that decision when its older.

Ok, I'm not watching that video because it deals with stuff I really don't WANT to know.
Also you keep mentioning this Kellog person, but I have no idea who that is, nor do I particularly care. And obviously you didn't pay attention to anything I said in my last post because if you had you would've noted that I say that I don't give a shit if people get circumcised or not. My main point is that this issue is not worth getting so worked up about. Already I've wasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more energy on it than it's worth.
Speaking as a person who was circumcised, I don't feel particularly hard done by. However if you are and were, then let my just get out the world's smallest violin.

If you spout your "facts" and do not want to back it up when it gets called out then don't post. Period.

You obviously don't realize that the foreskin has more importance then you say. Hell, we known about the high concentration of nerves there for years. Nerves are important to sexual organs, no one with a shred of medical knowledge would say otherwise. What you are stating goes against established fact, and fail to back it up. If you don't even care to learn the facts, then you don't care whether what your saying is true or not. Your personal views or attitude don't factor into shit, but making claims of outdated medical knowledge that has been outdated for centuries and have no desire to learn modern medicine is astounding.

The foreskin is not just a flap of skin, it encompasses much more and plays an important role. Anything else is outdated pseudo-science with no scientific backing.

I wasn't claiming otherwise. And since you're going to blatantly ignore what I'm saying, I see no reason to continue this discussion. Which is just as well because I'm sick of it anyway.

Actually yes you did. You said the foreskin was useless, and that goes against modern anatomy. I could say gravity is a myth and as an opinion, but that doesn't make it a valid statement.

California has a bill in the works that would make circumcision a felony. obviously this is a law against jewish people and the writer of the bill wrote the comic.

this man ought to be hunted down beaten and then deported to a 3rd world country.


also i really want to see this comic on 'Atop the fourth wall'.
linkara will have a hay-day.


also, im circumcised and i have no problems...seriously...nothing about the cut/uncut arguments make sense because because it doesnt honest to god matter in any way.

Not sure if your being sarcastic on the California bill.

the bill making circumcision a felony is completely real...and i have no doubt it was written with an anti-jewish mentality.

I know its real. You do realize California has the biggest Jewish community on the West Coast right? They want to ban it for anyone under 18, because there is no other operation that can be done to a child before that age unless medically needed. They want to fix the loophole of circumcision to be more in line with other unnecessary surgeries under the law. What they really want is to give a choice to the child on what to do with its body. Hell, under the law you can practice religious rights until you start infringing on other people's rights. That child is considered Atheist because it didn't give consent not does a child automatically become Jewish. That child could be any religion it wants, and it should have the right to keep its body intact should he or she choose to leave Judaism.

What it is really about is free choice, freedom of religion, and the human right to bodily integrity. Its not hatred against Jews as California has the largest Jewish population on the west coast. Hell, Atheists and Catholics are more discriminated than Judaism in California. The fact insurance companies, parents, and doctors are becoming more informed about circumcision and more in tune with Hispanic culture the less circumcision seems appealing. After all, circumcision didn't become the American norm because it was cleaner it became the norm out of fear. If you want I can tell you the story of why America clings to circumcision regardless of faith.

Cosmetic reasons, mostly (I assume). And to add to your well written counter argument, I'd say that it's not an anti Jewish law because it's only banned on people under 18. They can still have the operation done, they just have more choice in the matter. Because the big issue here is consent.

BTW, so you all know where I am coming from on this issue, I am uncircumcised and Catholic.

 

[Von Heix]

I hear alot of "well I can't tell the difference," from the pro-circumcision crowd. Hahaha.

Legislation to ban female circumcision in Africa has gone through similar troubles, because African women who have gone through it say the same thing of genital mutilation. "It doesn't bother me that much."


Ohh the Irony and Double Standards.

Sometimes it's best to just have to sit back and enjoy the madness from the distance. *sips tea*

 

[Von Heix]

Some say it can cause certain diseases, but if those diseases were so serious, why does man still have it?

Foreskin results in lose of pleasure for the male, yet almost a very small amount. However, removal of the foreskin results in less washing required, which many say only take a few seconds to do and it's no big deal. So if we estimated that it takes 3 seconds to wash the foreskin, and they take a shower every day, within a year they'd have wasted 18.25 hours washing their penis when they could have been doing more productive things in life, or in the lifetime (estimating average human life expentency of 75 years old, minus 10 years or so before the child actually does this kind of natural washing, grants around 1186.25 hours of their life, almost 50 days, washing their foreskin in their lifetime. Wasteful, personally.

Either way, I don't think it should be banned, as it does have medical benefits (however small lately), but the parents should be informed clearly of the pro's and cons, rather than the America "Just get it circumcised" or the European "Nah, leave it on, mate!" and then decide. Lastly, those complaining over being circumcised as a child just cause me to roll my eyes, as they're most likely the typical teenager that hates their parents doing anything for them. Those who had a scar from the very, very small small chance can complain and should get it fixed if they desire, but honestly? Just grow up.

You know vaginas have more flaps so they are technically/anatomically harder to wash, which means EVEN more time wasted by the females. She will thank me for the circumcision when she's older... *high five*

Also take the opinions of Americans with a large grain of salt or not at all, they'll believe anything from the cesspool that makes up the conglomerate privatized Media outlets.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Anti-Semites just love thinking about cocks.

 

[Biosophilogical]

I am also wondering what would happen if it were done in utero. If you say it would be wrong, you would have to admit that the unborn have some rights... Mmmm... That has me thinking...

If you are raising the issue of abortion ... well that's easy to resolve.

1. First off (in case the '1' didn't give away the order ), most people who are pro-abortion are not for abortion at all times during pregnancy. Most are for the idea that abortion should only be legal up to the point that the future-baby develops cognitive capacity (so when it becomes a person, rather than a lump of cells with no pain receptors/mental processing). So supporting the idea of in utero circumcision doesn't support abortion.

2. I'd say in utero circumcision is unethical. In comparison to abortion, the future person was never actually a person and never would have been. In utero circumcision on the other hand, does affect the future of a person (though technically, it would be ethical so long as the child was also aborted before it developed brain functionality). I do admit though, if there was a way to perform a circumcision on a feotus (I'm sure I've spelt that wrong), before full brain functionality emerged, and without increasing the normal circumcision risks by doing it prior to birth ... that would make it more ethical than post-birth circumcision simply because of the decrease in pain that could otherwise be caused. It wouldn't make it ethical, just less unethical.

OT: I kind of don't want to click on the link for a comic about 'Foreskin man'. It sounds unsafe. As for circumcision, I think that it should be the person's choice when they are a legally aged adult. And no, it shouldn't be protected by religious freedom, because it is your religion, and I don't believe you should have the right to cause changes to other people without their consent. Basically, it is your religion, and if you want to chop off your foreskin in its name, go ahead, but you have no right to physically inflict your religion on other people.

 

[Charli]

What...


I honestly can't elaborate more than that one word so here is some filler to fufill escapist post requirements. All that can be said about this is simply in that one word. "What."

Let us give thanks to "What" and all the encompassing rubbish that falls under it. Amen.

Edit: Oh and who ever the artist is...

... *Family Guy Monkey Point* Yeah.

 

[ninja51]

...No one is walking out of that story not retarded. He wrote a comic book... ugh it truely is shocking how stupid people are, like I cant even comprehend this. Not only does an anti circunsism law trying to be made, but the fact that this guy sat down, and desided the best way to aid in his foolish battle was to make a comic book.

See if the thing was a joke, awesome, that guys cool. But shit! This ma fuckas serious!

 

[Kakashi on crack]

I wonder why people are against circumcision?
people have done worse things to their pride and other parts of their body and they are fine with that but not this?

Because we don't have the choice or force to dissaprove of it when we're an infant. It's genital mutiliation without consent at its finest.

OT: Yeah, this comic is not helping... Its kinda going yah know, against it...

Scientists keep saying that Circumcision prevents HIV, but graphs and surveys have shown the exact opposite, and that the places with higher circumcision rates, such as Africa and the U.S., actualyl have some fo the highest HIV rates in the world. (can say this is attributed to culture, but from my current knowledge and having friends in Europe, this is not the case...)

Can't find the links to the graphs, but this guy's video has them:



EDIT: and I fail at embedding, link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adiiK9sPx_Y

 

[Kakashi on crack]

-snip for the sake of forum space-

Its not a matter of the parents doing it for the "child's benefit" but the fact that they're removing something that there is no need to remove without the child having any say. Said child typically has to go through a painful surgery in which they'll pass out from the extreme pain because most doctors will not sedate the child when they circumcise them, thinking that because of their young age, they will not feel it.



The foreskin serves to, ah... What's an appropriate way to put this... Make the reproductive acts more pleasureable by helping to increase girth as well as provide additional pleasure stimulants since a large number of them are located in the foreskin.

On top of that, it keeps the tip from rubbing against materials such as underwear or jean zippers which would otherwise desensitize the penis over time and make it less pleasurable.

 

[Wintermoot]

I wonder why people are against circumcision?
people have done worse things to their pride and other parts of their body and they are fine with that but not this?

Genital mutilation of infants that cannot give consent is pretty fucked up, friend.

I get that they want to outlaw that but what if a grown man wants to get a circumcision?

 

[Gigano]

...Foreskin man?

I don't care what that is, it is by rights of name alone way too preposterously absurd to be criticised in any rational manner.

But yeah, don't go making any irreversible surgical alterations on your child when it's much too young to offer an opinion on it, much less an informed consent. That's no better than putting botox in its head so that it may conform to some other cultural standard.

 

[Dragonclaw]

Why is "comic book" the part that capitalized? I mean, it's not the "comic" aspect of this story that's confusing me.

Because in all honesty I was in such a WTF state I didn't know what part of the story was stranger...and I'm STILL not really sure...

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I really hope he is included in the new reboot of DC comics, come on DC, this is what the failing comic book industry needs to keep afloat, I'm not sure what on earth this guys deal is, but please buy and use this character!

 

[Zer_]

I wonder why people are against circumcision?
people have done worse things to their pride and other parts of their body and they are fine with that but not this?
PS
I assumed he want,s to outlaw all forms of circumcision I get that he want,s to ban it for small kids but what I don,t get is that he also want,s to outlaw it for adult men who can make their own decisions.

The people take issue with the fact that it is done on children who have no say on it. Such permanent changes on their bodies at an early age kinda sucks, especially if you don't want it.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Why is "comic book" the part that capitalized? I mean, it's not the "comic" aspect of this story that's confusing me.

Because in all honesty I was in such a WTF state I didn't know what part of the story was stranger...and I'm STILL not really sure...

Really? Cause to me it seems like it's the "Foreskin Man" part.

 

[Sinclair Solutions]

HA HA HA, this is so ridiculous.

HAHAAHA

WTF?

You see though, I think this falls under ridiculously funny prejudice. So much so, I'm finding it hard to get riled up against it.

Same here. Who ever thought this was a good idea...Oh, man.

It reminds me of the Anti-Circumscision movement from Arrested Development.