Former Hacker Thinks PSN Still Isn't Secure

Logan Westbrook

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Former Hacker Thinks PSN Still Isn't Secure

If IT managers are soldiers, says the ex-hacker, then the people breaking in are like the special forces.

Hacker turned security consultant Gregory Evans thinks that Sony's efforts to resecure its networks don't go far enough, and until Sony - and plenty of other companies too - start hiring the right people, it's systems won't be safe from hackers.

Evans - who spent two years in jail for hacking a number of major companies in the ninties, and was forced to pay nearly $10 million in damages - thought that too many company are relying on undertrained IT staff for network security. What companies should be doing, he said, was hiring actual hackers to test a system's security, as they were a cut above the IT professionals that corporations currently employed.

"IT managers are like the infantry," he said. "IT managers, for the most part, are just book-smart people who went out and read a book and passed the test ... Computer hackers are like Navy SEALs. When we went in to get Bin Laden we didn't send in the infantry. We sent out the best in the world - the SEALs. But who's protecting Sony's network? IT managers."

While the recent high profile attacks certainly make it seem like every hacker on the planet is after Sony, Evans said that the problem is actually a lot more widespread than that. Around 90% of the Fortune 500 companies had been hacked, he said, but it very rarely got reported. Evans estimated that only 17% of hacking victims reported it to law enforcement officials because they didn't want to generate any negative publicity. He added that until companies changed how they handled online security, the attacks would keep coming.

Source: Industry Gamers [http://www.industrygamers.com/news/playstation-network-still-not-secure-says-ex-hacker-exclusive/]


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ForsakenUK

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it just said on the news that Sony has been hacked again by a group called securitylolz or something
 

The Rockerfly

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I really quite like that analogy, makes me think of cyber soldiers with guns and breaking into networks with computerized explosions
 

Trippy Turtle

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I always thought about how some of the viruses people make when they could make a killing off any anti-virus that good.
 

Dr. wonderful

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So how do you find skilled Crackers to do that? One may be more skilled then the other. Other then that, I like his idea.
 

Scorched_Cascade

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I now have visions of both sides jacked into computer consoles warring in Cyber Space.

The defenders:
"Hold the line dammit!"
"I just want to go home"
"It's not real. It's not real. It's not real. It's not real. It's not real."

Except a more appropriate imagining would probably have the IT captain ordering his troops to do something while not realising that they were actually invaders in disguise.
 

BrotherRool

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I'd say it's probably not a fair assessment. Being good at IT in no-way makes you want to be a douche and wreck other peoples stuff and it encourages hacking if hacking is seen as a way of getting a career.

EDIT: But I guess it might be fair to say hackers know the most about hacking. Although I don't see why they should know more about hacking as someone whose dedicated their professional life to learning how to stop it and actually stopping it
 

TheIronRuler

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When people work too long on the same program they might everlook some fatal flaws, therefore a fresh perspective is needed. I think he means that in regards to security.
 

SmokePants

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SonyPictures was hacked via SQL injection, exposing over a million unhashed passwords. This isn't Special Forces vs Soldiers, this is Special Forces vs a single narcoleptic, geriatric night watchman.

Although, I have a hard time dubbing a group calling themselves "LulzSec", running operation "Sownage", Special Forces. Maybe "Special" Forces.
 

Andronicus

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When he explains his analogy, I can't help but think of the IT consultants as Moss and Roy from the IT crowd, at which point I feel as though he's talking some serious sense...

 

Dalek Caan

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Like the whole Navy Seals and Infantry thing he said there. Really nice. Part of me agrees that what he is saying is the truth but companies look Sony would need to be careful. Can't have back doors can't they?
 

thenumberthirteen

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No! Sony don't take his advice. I'm having a hard enough time finding a job without giving them all to criminals. I've spent a lot of time and money training to work in IT, and not spending my time hacking the PSN, or stealing personal information from unwitting customers. Security firms should LEARN from how hackers work, but, to borrow the metaphor, you don't train special forces by having them become terrorists and committing war crimes.

It may work in Dexter, but hiring criminals isn't the best way to solve crimes.
 

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Dr. wonderful said:
So how do you find skilled Crackers to do that? One may be more skilled then the other. Other then that, I like his idea.

By putting a recruitment file behind your security, then hope a hacker come to answer it. =p
 

Lono Shrugged

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So a criminal ex-hacker who owes a lot of money thinks criminal ex-hackers should get more jobs. Also WHOOOOOSH! NAVY SEALS!
 

manythings

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Mackheath said:
This is a pretty good idea, to be honest; not every hacker is a malicious sweaty 40 year old manchild-slash-mountain troll; most are just bored kids. Giving them a couple of bucks to point out their security is shit and saying where they can improve seems like a good idea, because they strive to be inventive. IT Managers...well, you know...
Once you put them on the payroll though, out-of-the-box thinkers become in-the-box thinkers. Hackers have to be inventive, security consultants aren't being challenged to break their own systems.
 

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SmokePants said:
SonyPictures was hacked via SQL injection, exposing over a million unhashed passwords. This isn't Special Forces vs Soldiers, this is Special Forces vs a single narcoleptic, geriatric night watchman.

Although, I have a hard time dubbing a group calling themselves "LulzSec", running operation "Sownage", Special Forces. Maybe "Special" Forces.
Sony Pictures isn't the same Sony in charge of the PSN. The only way that they're related at all is the name 'Sony'. Completely different people in completely different branches doing completely different projects.

The Sony doing PSN security is actually working at it. Sony Music and Sony Pictures didn't get the message that they need to buff security as well.
 

NinjaTigerXIII

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Seriously being a hacker must be awesome, after a life of crime you get hired as a security consultant, awesome. But back to the original topic, I'm surprised that Sony didn't think that they should test out their system with people who could actually hack it.