French museum closes Genghis Khan exhibit over Chinese museums demands not to use words Genghis Khan

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The Chateau des ducs de Bretagne history museum in the western city of Nantes said it was putting the show about the 13th century leader on hold for over three years.
The exhibit was planned in collaboration with the Inner Mongolia Museum in Hohhot, China.
It alleged the Chinese authorities demanded certain words, including "Genghis Khan", "Empire" and "Mongol" be taken out of the show. It also said that they asked for power over exhibition brochures, legends and maps.
Tensions arose, the Nantes museum said, when the Chinese Bureau of Cultural Heritage pressured the museum for changes to the original plan, “including notably elements of biased rewriting of Mongol culture in favour of a new national narrative.”
So that's Winnie the Pooh, Peppa Pig, Piglet, and Genghis Khan banned in China now. Some Hollywood director needs to figure out how to get the rights and make that into one hell of a weird comedy film about a road trip with all of them.....
 

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It's good to know that the cheese eating surrender monkeys know their place in regards to our new Chinese overlords. :(
 

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I’ll be pedantic and say that Ghengis Khan wasn’t his name or title. And certainly there has been much rewriting of history about him by Western historians. But China doesn’t have a monopoly on history either. So... no thank you. Make your own exhibit your own way thanks
 
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Predictable! They can't let them have their own national history, fearing it would cause them to dislike foreign rule.

*looks at monuments and statues falling around US and UK*

Hmmmm

I’ll be pedantic and say that Ghengis Khan wasn’t his name or title. And certainly there has been much rewriting of history about him by Western historians. But China doesn’t have a monopoly on history either. So... no thank you. Make your own exhibit your own way thanks
China has a monopoly on Panda-bears though
 
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Predictable! They can't let them have their own national history, fearing it would cause them to dislike foreign rule.
I can't help but reflect on the irony that Columbus statues are coming down (arguably rightfully) as we speak, but there's still reverance for a man who killed so many people that the temperature of the Earth dropped.

China has a monopoly on Panda-bears though
Panda bears are too cute for anyone to have a monopoly. :(
 

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It's good to know that the cheese eating surrender monkeys know their place in regards to our new Chinese overlords. :(
Maybe, but if they needed the support of the Chinese museum to do it, who wanted to meddle, it could be they had the options of doing it the way the Chinese wanted, or not doing it at all.

Not doing it at all rather than doing it with some facts altered could be defended.
 

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The PRC has a very complicated relation to Chinese history. They are very adamant about running a narrative about how China has never been sundered and conquered and anything running against that narrative has to be forbidden or changed. This is similar to how Hearts of Iron is banned in China because it portrays the warlords active in China in the interwar period, which runs counter to the narrative that China was unified in the fight against Japan and the Communists then rose up against the evil Kuomindang. So talking about the Mongols invading the rest of the world is probably cool, but you can't breathe a word about how the Yuan dynasty was actually Mongols or the Qing dynasty Manchus. And if you do, it is in a manner that implies that China somehow allowed them to assimilate, not that they conquered China.
I remember the official reason was an independent Tibet
 

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The PRC has a very complicated relation to Chinese history. They are very adamant about running a narrative about how China has never been sundered and conquered and anything running against that narrative has to be forbidden or changed. This is similar to how Hearts of Iron is banned in China because it portrays the warlords active in China in the interwar period, which runs counter to the narrative that China was unified in the fight against Japan and the Communists then rose up against the evil Kuomindang. So talking about the Mongols invading the rest of the world is probably cool, but you can't breathe a word about how the Yuan dynasty was actually Mongols or the Qing dynasty Manchus. And if you do, it is in a manner that implies that China somehow allowed them to assimilate, not that they conquered China.
Ah... dont they make a big thing of the Century of Humiliation?
 

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I can't help but reflect on the irony that Columbus statues are coming down (arguably rightfully) as we speak, but there's still reverance for a man who killed so many people that the temperature of the Earth dropped.



Panda bears are too cute for anyone to have a monopoly. :(
Deaths caused by Ghengis are comparable to Mao's stint. The major different is the portion of the world's population that pile of corpses comprised
 

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They do. But it is mostly about how Western Powers came around and forced China to open up and be humiliated by the evil imperialists and how that weakened China so that Japan could perform atrocities and invade. It serves as the basis for the narrative that the communists rose up to save China from the humiliation and suffering that the Kuomindang had forced upon it. It is basically the build up to the Hero story of the Communist Party saving China from the depredations of Western Imperialists and their lapdogs in the Kuomindang.
To be fair, they're not that wrong... They just use the propaganda in awful ways
 
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Ah... dont they make a big thing of the Century of Humiliation?
What Gethsemani said. Tho aside from that it also has other political uses, such as a means of deflecting Western criticism and a means of fostering an "us vs them" mentality what with propping up a common enemy generally being a great unifier. I suspect it will eventually also be removed or changed once it passes from living memory.
 

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I would maybe argue that the Kuomindang was doing the best it could to free China from western imperialism but suffered from way too many problems that made it impossible. Most notably its corruption, factionalism and the fact that its leadership was the traditional aristocracy and bourgeois of China, who represented a wealthy and influential class but was largely confined to a few large cities along the coast and major rivers. The Kuomindang wanted to model China on the western imperial powers to form it into a modern superpower, but never realized that China was not ready for that.

The Communists under Mao drew upon the true power of China, its absolutely massive agrarian class. While the Kuomindang represented a few million people at most, Mao drew upon hundreds of millions of peasants and managed to get them invested in China's future for the first time (mostly by promising them a better future, a first for Chinese politics). For all his many shortcomings as a dictator (and they are many and big), Mao was a visionary when it came to his understanding of China's true power balance and his ability to make the farmers believe in a political vision that centered upon them as the cornerstone of China's future. Which makes the Great Leap forward all the more tragic, as it is a testament to how Mao forgot his own teachings and sacrificed the very people he claimed to work for.
A good example of the way the National Chinese Party acted was the occupation of Taiwan after the Japanese retreat.
 

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It's good to know that the cheese eating surrender monkeys know their place in regards to our new Chinese overlords. :(
The opposite, surely: it seems to me the museum has put the exhibition on hold rather than cede China creative control. This is a stand-off.

I'm guessing it can't go ahead without China because the exhibition was based around artefacts lent by its Chinese partner museum: no artefacts, no exhibition.