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There is only one thing that horrifies Phoenixmgs, and that is a world that doesn't laud him above all others and tongue-bathe his ego every minute of the day. A world where people who aren't exactly like him might have a moment's consideration is anathema to him.
I used to quite enjoy their spats with Yoshi, going back and forth discussing Sony versus Nintendo, which admittedly wasn't the healthiest of undertakings for them. But still, it was a lot better than... this.
 

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I used to quite enjoy their spats with Yoshi, going back and forth discussing Sony versus Nintendo, which admittedly wasn't the healthiest of undertakings for them. But still, it was a lot better than... this.
Even back then, I wasn't a fan of that either. If anything, it showed parts of him were already there. He got worse with, and Phoenix can continue to fuck off. Both can fuck off though. Yoshi is pretty much not welcomed on any forum and can't make it anywhere else. The same applies for Phoenix as well, should this forum close down permanently. Space Battle can smell his bullshit in a minute, and have no problem banning people instantly like him.
 
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Kit Klarenberg, formerly of Russia Today and Sputnik, argues we shouldn't trust media output if it has ties to a state broadcaster and pushes that government's narrative. Hm, perhaps he has a point!
It's amazing how people who have lost trust in mainstream news have replaced it with any old shit from a website or YouTube channel, and can't even be bothered with the due diligence of checking who that person's paymaster is.
 

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Just glossing over the actual FUCKING REASON'S they were doing that.
And your blindness to what true political weaponisation of government departments ACTUALLY looks like as it's happening right now just demonstrates the cognitive dissonance.
You can't just claim "REASONS" because then the other side can do the same thing. If you want Trump to not have been able to run because of the January 6th, then fucking charge him and convict him as being an insurrectionist. That didn't happen (and the Supreme Court literally voted 9-0 and said to Colorado to get that shit outta here). Just like if it was against the law to run for office if you were a murderer, you'd have to be a convicted murderer. If you couldn't just claim someone was a murderer and remove them from the ballot without having them tried and convicted. OJ was not technically a murderer for example. Do you not get how massively exploited that would be if we just removed people for "REASONS"?

Amount by which you overestimated, if 5% did not get covid during the observation period: 4 million

Hospitalised subgroup: 234k

234k x 15 = 3.5 million.



Right, so your issue isn't really with the 1.8 figure, it's with the fact we don't know the relative sizes of the hospitalised subgroup and the 'severe covid' subgroup. To be fair, you're right that the latter is gonna be smaller. I've tried to dig up the numbers-- I can see the 'severe covid' cohort for the study was 3600, pulled from a covid registry that covered 63 hospitals over <2 years. But I can't find the total size of that registry. So, we might be at a dead end there.

But let me ask, how much does this matter? Tachyarrhythmia is one of the complications. Fundamentally, you're arguing that the risks-- all the risks-- posed by Covid to otherwise-healthy adolescents is outweighed by the 0.0005% greater risk of mild myocarditis posed by the vaccine.

So here's another way of looking at that question. 0.0005% of 74 million is 370. Which means if every single adolescent got that specific vaccine, that's how many would be estimated to suffer mild myocarditis that wouldn't have otherwise had it. 370.

...The cohort for severe, acute Covid in that study was 3600. From just 63 hospitals. Of the 6000 hospitals in the United States. And it already drastically outweighs the number you're worried about.

In short: there is literally no way the risk from the vaccine can possibly even approach the risk of severe, acute covid, even for adolescents.



Absolutely nowhere in that study does it say immunity never wanes.
How are you doing that math? Why are you multiplying by 15?

If you wanna say there will be more hospitalized patients if everyone got covid, then sure but it's not that much.

If 234,000 out of 70 million were hospitalized, then 0.33% were hospitalized so if we add in the other 4 million, that comes to 247,000 vs 234,000 (if literally every adolescent got covid). How are you getting 15x more?

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I would think that registry covered quite an amount hospitals. Yes, 63 is where the patients came from but with the rarity of severe covid in kids, most small hospitals probably didn't even see an instance of eligible severe covid (and thus didn't yield an eligible patient and why the hospital count is so low). Even just saying 10% of hospitalized kids got severe covid, which is probably high, you're at 23,400; 1.8% of that is 421. Out of that 3,600, 63 got arrhythmia. Also, no adolescent under 10 got arrhythmia (children have less expression of ACE2 so that tracks) so over half of all adolescents aren't in the risk group for it. Then, you have a massive group of adolescents that already got covid, and the vaccine provides them with no benefit whatsoever.

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I never said immunity never wanes, I said it hasn't waned yet. I even said maybe you'll need another shot in like 10 years or 20 years or whatever, but you don't need another one now. They kept pushing covid boosters because they thought they could get to the promise land of "covid zero" and stop transmission, which can never happen.

This is one of the most bewildering debates about covid, and a sign of just how successful the anti-vax misinformation was. The risk of myocarditis was higher from Covid than it was for even the most risky vaccine. We've known this for years.
Certain GROUPS are more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than from covid... We've known this for years...
 

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Roblox is imploding.
All they had to do was take the problem seriously, but that might have made their mountain of money very slightly shorter, so that was out.

In other news: Florida has apparently decided that the greatest medical crisis it faces is having too many Floridians.


Maybe we should start considering unvaccinated Floridians to be health hazards and bar them from entering other states.
 

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In other news: Florida has apparently decided that the greatest medical crisis it faces is having too many Floridians.
You mean too many poor Floridians.

A vaccine mandate sort of suggests the government needs to pay to make sure everyone is vaccinated. Thus once the state scraps a vaccine mandate, the government doesn't have to pay for it any more. However, this will mostly just affect lower SES people, because I can pretty much guarantee all but the most New Age crankery-influenced middle and upper will pay for privatised vaccination.
 

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The white house is saying it's a hostile act against the president to ask for the evidence of child rapists.
An irrevocably evil administration of rapists and thieves.
As far as Trump is concerned, any oversight of the executive is a hostile action against the White House. He thinks he can - or should be able to do - whatever he pleases.
 
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How are you doing that math? Why are you multiplying by 15?
What I said: "Your sample size inflated by about 15 times the entire hospitalised subgroup." You asked how. I am showing you how, in very simple terms.

If you wanna say there will be more hospitalized patients if everyone got covid, then sure but it's not that much.
By your own damn concession, it's by ~4 million.

I would think that registry covered quite an amount hospitals. Yes, 63 is where the patients came from but with the rarity of severe covid in kids, most small hospitals probably didn't even see an instance of eligible severe covid (and thus didn't yield an eligible patient and why the hospital count is so low).
Read the fucking study. It's from 63 hospitals.

I never said immunity never wanes
You said it doesn't wane. Stop trying to weasel out of what you said. If you want to amend your position now, just do so and acknowledge that your original position doesn't stand.

Certain GROUPS are more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than from covid... We've known this for years...
0.0005% more likely to get mild myocarditis from the vaccine than from covid. 370 out of 74 million adolescents, if every single one had that vaccine.

Then we look at every other damn complication of the virus. Even in the adolescent group. And it outweighs that 370 over and over and over and over again. From just a few dozen hospitals, we have 3,600 with severe, acute covid requiring the ICU. Against your piddling 370.
 
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Strange how it's only GOP fighting this, and has been all year, isn't it? /s
One day, MAGA might realise that they are the rubes that Trump has conned.

But not necessarily: it might turn out that they were okay being fleeced by the elites, just so long as they got to own the libs and have the authorities brutalise darker-skinned people. No matter how low you go, there's pleasure to be found knowing that someone else is even lower.
 

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No matter how low you go, there's pleasure to be found knowing that someone else is even lower.
A little ones getting their asses kicked or lost all their money with nothing to show for it. Too stupid or in denial, to realize they're worse off than they were before anybody else. They get nothing from me.

Other than a....

 

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What I said: "Your sample size inflated by about 15 times the entire hospitalised subgroup." You asked how. I am showing you how, in very simple terms.



By your own damn concession, it's by ~4 million.



Read the fucking study. It's from 63 hospitals.



You said it doesn't wane. Stop trying to weasel out of what you said. If you want to amend your position now, just do so and acknowledge that your original position doesn't stand.



0.0005% more likely to get mild myocarditis from the vaccine than from covid. 370 out of 74 million adolescents, if every single one had that vaccine.

Then we look at every other damn complication of the virus. Even in the adolescent group. And it outweighs that 370 over and over and over and over again. From just a few dozen hospitals, we have 3,600 with severe, acute covid requiring the ICU. Against your piddling 370.
I don't even know what you doing there. I didn't inflate anything by 15 times.

It's a made up number. Who didn't get exposed to covid in those 4 years? It has to be at least 95% of adolescents.

The eligible patients were from 63 hospitals, that doesn't mean the registry they searched didn't include more hospitals. The US has about 7,000 hospitals and if you got 3,600 severe adolescent covid patients from 63 hospitals, you'd have 400K with severe covid from all 7,000 hospitals assuming the 63 were taken at random, and that can't be true because you only had 234,000 total hospitalized from that group.

I didn't...

That isn't the stat. That's your chance of getting from the vaccine. You'd have to compare that to your chance of getting it from covid. If all this was true, you wouldn't have most every country in the world not recommending it for said groups.
 

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Second Amendment will win. If I'll grant the gun lobby anything, it's that they hate pretty much any restriction on gun ownership more than they hate any demographic.
I'm not so sure you're right about that. It is downright amazing how quickly the right to bear arms gets limited when marginal groups want guns. Open carry laws have been quickly suspended and removed the moment that African American groups began exercising those rights.

I honestly think the fear of the """"other"""" will win out here. It will be VERY selectively applied to make certain that only trans people are affected by the limitations, of course.
 

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It will be VERY selectively applied to make certain that only trans people are affected by the limitations, of course.
Can always extend the limit later if necessary.

Also, a lot of the people who might support trans people might want to see more gun restrictions, even if unevenly applied.