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Employers were happy to hive off education to universities. Otherwise they spent money training people themselves, and of course those apprentices might take that investment and sod off to a new firm - more so of course these days, because that whole "job for life" thing where people spent their careers at the same company have long since gone.
I don't think that's it. I don't know if that was ever it. There are few jobs you can hire someone for and count on a degree to let you skimp on real job training for that position. If you do a degree that does not involve something like a residency or a co-op program, college will not leave you prepared for the job you're going to do. This isn't about training, it's about hiring. This is about corporate HR departments being able to say "well, they met all the educational requirements, we couldn't have known they were useless dead weight." I don't think it's coincidence that the whole "job for life" thing is gone, because all the companies are hiring based on the same criteria. The most important thing a degree tells you is that other places are willing to hire them, and likely the second biggest thing companies are looking for is whether the person is currently employed. The only "hirable" person to big national/international companies is someone who is willing to leave a current employer and has the credentials to do so, and then they wonder why nobody stays in one place. If you take in an entry level person without all the credentialism and train them to your system, they are dramatically less likely to leave.
There's an argument too many people getting degrees. In the UK, around 50% of school-leavers go on to get degrees. One might argue 35-40% might be preferable, on the basis that probably a quarter of them aren't really getting their money's worth. The students that in my view most need to be removed are the ones doing it not for the money, but because they think they should despite not having the right sort of academic mindset. On the other hand, this also ignores some of the benefits of university, which is a sort of socialisation, experience and networking in the wider world that are other form of expanding one's mind and horizons as well as the intellectual. I do not think a company training scheme would replicate this.
I don't even want to debate the ideal amount of degrees for people to get their money's worth. It shouldn't be about money. If 100% of people want the academic experience, I would like them to be able to do that, just not with the expectation of getting paid more, and without that expectation you'd probably have fewer students in higher education. Because the entire scheme is "more degrees = easier hiring and bigger paycheck". And at some point that scheme is going to crumble, I just don't know if it's the schools or the corporations that will collapse first.
 

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Normally, my policy would simply be "don't trust tweets". But this one is exceptionally dumb. My first instinct was to look up whether or not the bill passed with veto-proof majority anyway, but I never even got that far, because the screenshot they used was sufficient.

The tweet claims Trump changed the law. The picture of the actual bill tells you that it was an extension of laws that were already in place, and it just moved the expiration date. No, Trump did not personally change the law to make it illegal. The proof is in the tweet. It's right there.
 

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"But that's only supposed to be used against Democrats!" - Republicans

But her emails!
Republicans had a serious fixation on "buttery males".

No, Trump did not personally change the law to make it illegal. The proof is in the tweet. It's right there.
Even if he did simply extend them, it's still a case of "hoist by his own petard". And certainly not a case of Democrats illegally persecuting Trump, as some Republicans seem to believe it is.
 

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Seems a memo with a quote has been passed around. Pretending to be unaware the FBI and other agencies already does this to US citizens!





Fucking loser creepo behaving like loser creepos, avoiding subpoenas and other long overdue justices like a greasy weasel.






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Good ole British trash journalism strikes again. It must be a day of the week.




Slightly related issue of a real concern instead;

 
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Seems a memo with a quote has been passed around. Pretending to be unaware the FBI and other agencies already does this to US citizens!
Yes. If the FBI can raid the homes of US citizens suspected of crimes, they most surely should be able to raid the homes of ex-presidents suspected of crimes, too.

This is, after all, the way a democracy with Rule of Law and accountability is supposed to work. If you want to be a dictatorship where el presidente awards himself lifelong immunity from the law, be honest and say so.
 

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LegalEagle goes into just what a shitshow Alex Jones's defense was, and the pathetic attempt of his lawyer to have a mistrial declared because "disregard that" was supposed to fill in for an actual legal motion.


Some people are theorizing that the whole thing was intentional, as an effort to provide grounds for a mistrial declaration if Jones lost. Judging by the absolutely demolished expression on Jones's face when he realized just how fucked he was, at the very least I don't think he was in on the scheme- and it all turned out for naught, as the judge denied the motion. And now those texts have been sent to the January 6th committee.


It took a lot longer than it should have, but seeing that ambulatory pustule finally get nailed for his lies is worth every minute of the wait.
Been giving a listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast lately who are very laser focused on Alex Jones and were at the court hearings, for all the informed nuances of the bullshit being employed. They even covered the whitewashing "documentary" Alex released during the trial (theatrically!) where they dismantle all the claims of it being "unbiased" which is very much the narrative being deployed alongside it, along with the embarrassing Glenn Greenwald interview promoting it.







Yes. If the FBI can raid the homes of US citizens suspected of crimes, they most surely should be able to raid the homes of ex-presidents suspected of crimes, too.

This is, after all, the way a democracy with Rule of Law and accountability is supposed to work. If you want to be a dictatorship where el presidente awards himself lifelong immunity from the law, be honest and say so.
But being honest might ruin the glorious illusion for his loyal cult!

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Propaganda working as intended.

 
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Yes. If the FBI can raid the homes of US citizens suspected of crimes, they most surely should be able to raid the homes of ex-presidents suspected of crimes, too.

This is, after all, the way a democracy with Rule of Law and accountability is supposed to work. If you want to be a dictatorship where el presidente awards himself lifelong immunity from the law, be honest and say so.
Well, they want one where Republicans(notably White and Male ones) can do whatever they want. Everyone else can still get fucked.

Ironically, these people still go to bat for Trump while he would never extend the same pretense of a courtesy for them, because he doesn't notice them except when they're cheering for him.
 

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Normally, my policy would simply be "don't trust tweets". But this one is exceptionally dumb. My first instinct was to look up whether or not the bill passed with veto-proof majority anyway, but I never even got that far, because the screenshot they used was sufficient.

The tweet claims Trump changed the law. The picture of the actual bill tells you that it was an extension of laws that were already in place, and it just moved the expiration date. No, Trump did not personally change the law to make it illegal. The proof is in the tweet. It's right there.
The tweet also didn't claim that it was illegal because of Trump.
 

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LegalEagle goes into just what a shitshow Alex Jones's defense was, and the pathetic attempt of his lawyer to have a mistrial declared because "disregard that" was supposed to fill in for an actual legal motion.


Some people are theorizing that the whole thing was intentional, as an effort to provide grounds for a mistrial declaration if Jones lost. Judging by the absolutely demolished expression on Jones's face when he realized just how fucked he was, at the very least I don't think he was in on the scheme- and it all turned out for naught, as the judge denied the motion. And now those texts have been sent to the January 6th committee.


It took a lot longer than it should have, but seeing that ambulatory pustule finally get nailed for his lies is worth every minute of the wait.
Also this happened.


IDK what the hell to think, other then Jones is even more of a sleezebag then he already seemed to be(which was a lot). Is this some kind of wierd conservative reverse cucking ritual or something?

And no, his wife wasn't aware of the photos being sent, it seems. Then again, she married the shit who called dead childern crisis actors for YEARS so maybe she's a terrible judge of character or something?
 

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And no, his wife wasn't aware of the photos being sent, it seems. Then again, she married the shit who called dead childern crisis actors for YEARS so maybe she's a terrible judge of character or something?
I would never underestimate the ability of spouses to voluntarily opt in to their partners weird hellhole. One can also consider that some spouses are basically fine as long as everything is compartmentalised so that they can get on with their life without their partner's crazy doesn't impinging on them that much. Some, tragically, will be victims of an extremely controlling relationship.

On this topic, I watched that documentary on that sociopath who ran that revenge porn site a decade back (whose name I have already forgotten). His ex-girlfriend turns up, dutifully saying how much she regretted her ~5 year association with him. When she explains she had no real idea what he was doing, it sounded to me exceptionally unconvincing. My suspicion is she just enjoyed the wealth and party lifestyle he bought her, and only cut and run when the fun was about to dry up and he became a massive liability.
 

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I would never underestimate the ability of spouses to voluntarily opt in to their partners weird hellhole. One can also consider that some spouses are basically fine as long as everything is compartmentalised so that they can get on with their life without their partner's crazy doesn't impinging on them that much. Some, tragically, will be victims of an extremely controlling relationship.

On this topic, I watched that documentary on that sociopath who ran that revenge porn site a decade back (whose name I have already forgotten). His ex-girlfriend turns up, dutifully saying how much she regretted her ~5 year association with him. When she explains she had no real idea what he was doing, it sounded to me exceptionally unconvincing. My suspicion is she just enjoyed the wealth and party lifestyle he bought her, and only cut and run when the fun was about to dry up and he became a massive liability.
Similar to an episode in the Netflix docuseries Web of Make Believe centered around a woman who found out she was dating a neo-nazi white nationalist. She wound up becoming kind of prominent in the movement and helping to organize the 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville that erupted into violence and some POS driving a car into counter protesters and killing a woman. It was pretty satisfying to see that she actually was aware of how awful things were getting. How much like a cult it was she was sinking into. And how it really took some deprogramming and no small amount of courage to get out as she has done since. It was actually a pretty good series, I was only in it to watch the first episode, considering that episode featured people in my work "social" circle. But I wound up watching all the episodes.
 

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LegalEagle goes into just what a shitshow Alex Jones's defense was, and the pathetic attempt of his lawyer to have a mistrial declared because "disregard that" was supposed to fill in for an actual legal motion.


Some people are theorizing that the whole thing was intentional, as an effort to provide grounds for a mistrial declaration if Jones lost. Judging by the absolutely demolished expression on Jones's face when he realized just how fucked he was, at the very least I don't think he was in on the scheme- and it all turned out for naught, as the judge denied the motion. And now those texts have been sent to the January 6th committee.


It took a lot longer than it should have, but seeing that ambulatory pustule finally get nailed for his lies is worth every minute of the wait.
I just watched that video. Oh man, what a goddamn pleasure it was.
 
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Similar to an episode in the Netflix docuseries Web of Make Believe centered around a woman who found out she was dating a neo-nazi white nationalist. She wound up becoming kind of prominent in the movement and helping to organize the 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville that erupted into violence and some POS driving a car into counter protesters and killing a woman. It was pretty satisfying to see that she actually was aware of how awful things were getting. How much like a cult it was she was sinking into. And how it really took some deprogramming and no small amount of courage to get out as she has done since. It was actually a pretty good series, I was only in it to watch the first episode, considering that episode featured people in my work "social" circle. But I wound up watching all the episodes.
I saw something similar about a guy who'd got into conspiracy theories. He had a friend who was in deep, and bit by bit he found himself getting sucked in to full on crazy too. Unfortunately I can't remember enough about how he'd dragged himself out.

I think a lot of it is simply social. You're around people, and they seem nice (to you) - they're your friends and family. And it's not easy to extract yourself from situations where much of your social circle including nearest and dearist might never speak to you again. In fact it's downright scary. So it's often easier to swallow the awful, until maybe the awfulness gets so bad you have to cut the cord and find a new bunch of friends.
 

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I mean, to be fair, I don't see how anyone could spend any amount of time around the guy without some "chemical assistance".
Ain't that the truth. 😔

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And so it begins.




Can't read the link due to location restrictions, but it is the source so far;


A working link.




Am sure totally likely unrelated factor;


Or this;




 
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