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Can I just point out you've contributed something that might have a better wider discussion worthy aspect here.
Thank you very much, but you haven't contributed much to this thread since the beginning.
To the best of my knowledge Red isn't a natural hair colour among black people.
No, but it's a magical fantasyland, so who cares. I know I don't.

Or hell go with the original tale and make her Blonde.
And somebody else would have complained about that as well. Damn this you do and damned if you don't.
 

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Still doesn't. Your ignorance regarding the source material continues. I just wonder why you're so angrily invested in being against a book you've never seen.
Are we now at the point of considering the literal shaft of a penis to not be part of the genitals?

Like I know you said your sex education was bad but come on even accounting for that it's a ridiculous position to take.

That is unless you've not actually seen the images yourself and are now trying to keep pushing the same bullshit as before in the hopes people believe it while being so very unwilling to admit just how wrong you are lol.

I just wonder why you're so angrily invested in being against a book you've never seen.
Shall I tell you why?

Because you lied, you have lied and lied again. Am I not allowed to be somewhat angry that once again you and others tried to pull this egregious bullshit?

So let me ask you (not that you'll answer). Why are you so adamant that this book be read by children without parental supervision and against the wishes of trained educational professionals?



What I said about it was true. Anyone can go and check. Someone puts a strap-on in their mouth, and then the following panel states that the protagonist found it unrewarding.
And what I said is true, it's literally so clear on google for anyone with eyes to see.

What's really kind of pathetic here is that you and Tstorm both actually know the content isn't intended to be arousing. You're not stupid enough to think otherwise. Which makes this whole insistent misrepresentation even more inexplicable and prudish.
Just because it's not meant to be doesn't mean it won't be viewed that way by some.
Euphoria is meant to be a show about the emptiness and damage of sex and drugs. Doesn't stop some people watching it to get off to the content.

It's not been deemed to have enough educational value to be in the libraries.
Also just because it's not intended to be arousing doesn't suddenly mean it's fine for kids. Girl with the Dragon Tattoo has scenes that are very much not designed to be arousing but I'd hardly think it was a suitable film to show to young teenagers especially because of said content in it.
 

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Thank you very much, but you haven't contributed much to this thread since the beginning.
And you have other than drivel and regurgitated claims from youtubers you follow?

No, but it's a magical fantasyland, so who cares. I know I don't.
So why make her black then?

It's it's a fantasy worlds not meant to be connected to or representative of our own why bother?

Because it seems a rather stupid argument to push the "It's a fantasy land not meant to be representative" when most of the defence of race swapping the character has been about how representation and people seeing people like them on screen matters so much

And somebody else would have complained about that as well. Damn this you do and damned if you don't.
Lol, got you to say the thing.
 

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And you have other than drivel and regurgitated claims from youtubers you follow?
Yes. More than you're sorry butt ever has to offer. Not my fault you don't keep track, cuz you're too busy goal posting and making crap up. Exactly why I have you on ignore.
So why make her black then?

It's it's a fantasy worlds not meant to be connected to or representative of our own why bother?

Because it seems a rather stupid argument to push the "It's a fantasy land not meant to be representative" when most of the defence of race swapping the character has been about how representation and people seeing people like them on screen matters so much
And you are part of the problem and exactly what DT was talking about. The hypocrisy and double standards. If the actor playing her was white, you wouldn't have said a damn thing and you know it. I'm going to take advice I've already learned and not going to explain it to you, nor getting into a dumb argument about it. Don't like it; watch something else.

Lol, got you to say the thing.
Because it's true. You can't please everyone, nor should you strive to do so. Now I'm ending this conversation, because you have nothing of value to offer as usual. Don't bother responding to anything else. Spoilers: I won't be reading.
 
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How explicit are we talking about? Because you can describe or show a BJ in a wide variety of ways. I saw Police Academy when I was probably 8, and then muliple times afterward. It features a blowjob scene, but heck if I ever realzed it. Also, watched Coming to America a zillion times as a child, implying a naked girl washed someone's dick underwater. There was a lot of T 'n A in movies when I grew up, but none of it plunged me into soul rendering world of corruption. The whale from Disney's Pinocchio scarred me more than any lady's bush from some 80's comedy.
Also, Dan Aykroyd Ghost Blowjob. (Also, also, Ive had to fast forward the Xmen 2 bathroom scene because my 8 year old daughter was asking too many questions that I felt could wait a few years)

You know, I have been thinking about this quote I made and how I might need to amend it

Let me preface this. I cane from a town that had 30 people in it. My primary school had about the same amount of children. We couldnt see our friends after school as we lived too far away and it would require a road trip. Getting to our neighbour required a road trip

Anyway, I remember in grade 6 or 7, reading few a normal book. One was a murder mystery, another was a fantasy. There was one scene in the book with very graphic detail of a sexual encounter and they went on for a few pages. You know Literotics stuff: throbbing, pentetration and wetness descriptions, how it felt inside etc.

Then the story just went back to normal. Like, it never happened

I could get access to this book even though I'm in the middle of nowhere. I would see these books as being way more graphic than Gender Queer but then there are many sex scenes on literature where they are just alluding to sex eg. Romeo and Juliet

So, you are correct. Needing to quantify the amount of sexual content would be important
 

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And you are part of the problem and exactly what DT was talking about. The hypocrisy and double standards. If the actors playing her was white, you wouldn't have said a damn thing and you know it. I'm going to take advice I've already learned and not going to explain it to you,nor getting into a dumb argument about it. Don't like it; watch something else.
It'll be a great day when Dwarvenhobble realises that: 'They only got the job due to their race' is how the Affirmative Action law was created
 
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What's really kind of pathetic here is that you and Tstorm both actually know the content isn't intended to be arousing. You're not stupid enough to think otherwise. Which makes this whole insistent misrepresentation even more inexplicable and prudish.
Again, the book dives heavily into the effect of pornography on the author. It expresses shock that a friend of the author wasn't into gay erotic fanfiction. Those illustrations are meant to be representative of what pornography had put in their mind. "Its not meant to arouse you, it's just an artistic rendition of the imagery that aroused the author" isnt the counterpoint you think it is.
 
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Are we now at the point of considering the literal shaft of a penis to not be part of the genitals?
It's rubber. The character doesn't have a penis. You'd know this it you had done any research whatsoever into the topic you're ranting about.

The entire rest of the post is just a string of shouting, insults and accusations, all predicated on that mistake you made, so it's irrelevant.
 

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Again, the book dives heavily into the effect of pornography on the author. It expresses shock that a friend of the author wasn't into gay erotic fanfiction. Those illustrations are meant to be representative of what pornography had put in their mind. "Its not meant to arouse you, it's just an artistic rendition of the imagery that aroused the author" isnt the counterpoint you think it is.
It "dives heavily" into the effect of pornography without depicting pornography. Which is extremely easy, and extremely common.

The one illustration under discussion here is of an effort by the protagonist to emulate a sex act despite not having the genitals, and concluding that it was ineffective.

You know, full well, that it's not intended to be arousing. Because you're not stupid, and it's completely obvious. And that's the single definitive characteristic of pornography and erotica, which is clearly lacking here.
 

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The most hilarious part of this is the objection to a memoir comic about a person generally not having a great time and trying out sex only to find they don't like it much would theoretically be on the shortlist for media conservatives like. A story about a teen not liking sex? Porn having a negative effect on a person?

But the person being humanized and finding these things out is queer, so it's obviously bad.

Like, shit man, y'all know half these kids are gonna play GTA or other videogame equivalent
 
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The most hilarious part of this is the objection to a memoir comic about a person generally not having a great time and trying out sex only to find they don't like it much would theoretically be on the shortlist for media conservatives like. A story about a teen not liking sex? Porn having a negative effect on a person?

But the person being humanized and finding these things out is queer, so it's obviously bad.

Like, shit man, y'all know half these kids are gonna play GTA or other videogame equivalent
But everyone knows the good christian ethic is to praise violence and denounce love and understanding as immoral.
 
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The most hilarious part of this is the objection to a memoir comic about a person generally not having a great time and trying out sex only to find they don't like it much would theoretically be on the shortlist for media conservatives like. A story about a teen not liking sex? Porn having a negative effect on a person?

But the person being humanized and finding these things out is queer, so it's obviously bad.

Like, shit man, y'all know half these kids are gonna play GTA or other videogame equivalent
I would have thought a teenager not enjoying sex would be a good example of being abstinent
 

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They may or may not be cool with it. However you brought up a great example in "It", and looking at my local school library site, they do indeed have a book with a detailed underage gangbang in it.
...and It was pulled from several school libraries back when it was new and a thing people were talking about, specifically because of that scene (several other book by King getting pulled over the years. Parents being jumpy about sex scenes and whining about this shit aren't omniscient. In this particular case, this particular parent got a bug in her bonnet over the #1 item on the list on the site the poster linked to. She didn't go on some deep crawl looking for books with queer content to be upset about, she literally just looked at the top item on the book list from that QR code.

Are we now at the point of considering the literal shaft of a penis to not be part of the genitals?
No, he's arguing that it's an illustration of a strap on, and not an illustration of a flesh and blood penis attached to the character means it doesn't count.

I would have thought a teenager not enjoying sex would be a good example of being abstinent
No, abstinence is not having sex, not not enjoying sex - those are farther apart than a penis and a strap on. For example look at quiverfull women - I doubt they enjoy sex much despite having quite a lot of it to birth that many children.
 
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...and It was pulled from several school libraries back when it was new and a thing people were talking about, specifically because of that scene (several other book by King getting pulled over the years. Parents being jumpy about sex scenes and whining about this shit aren't omniscient. In this particular case, this particular parent got a bug in her bonnet over the #1 item on the list on the site the poster linked to. She didn't go on some deep crawl looking for books with queer content to be upset about, she literally just looked at the top item on the book list from that QR code.
If it was just a book being pulled it wouldn't be this big a deal. Individual cases aren't the point because while they're still bad, they're Individual cases. This event has nothing to do with a book or pulling a book, it's about a reprehensible law being used to threaten a teacher who isn't even pushing a book. Sex scenes don't even enter into it.
 
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It "dives heavily" into the effect of pornography without depicting pornography. Which is extremely easy, and extremely common.

The one illustration under discussion here is of an effort by the protagonist to emulate a sex act despite not having the genitals, and concluding that it was ineffective.

You know, full well, that it's not intended to be arousing. Because you're not stupid, and it's completely obvious. And that's the single definitive characteristic of pornography and erotica, which is clearly lacking here.
The only scene you're willing to discuss is specifically labelled "this is the visual I'd been picturing". It is specifically representative of the imagery that had aroused the author. There is a drawing of the "latest ship" to imagine while masturbating (which is a dark haired boy and a blond hair boy, 99% chance it's alluding to Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy).

Like, Imma be blunt a moment. I am about the same age as the author. I participated in the same era of internet as the author. This book, as best I can describe it, is an illustrated autobiography of a sex-obsessed 30-year-old woman who would prefer to be a teenage boy because she spent all her formative years reading gay Harry Potter fanfiction. If you sold me that book as a cautionary tale on the deleterious effects of constant erotica on the human psyche, it could maybe be an appropriate thing for a teenager to read in some contexts, but that's not why it's in schools. It's in schools to normalize that sort of behavior, as some sort of relatable guide to the queer experience. But it isn't that. It's just the personal stories of a tumblr pervert.
(reads the last couple pages) And conservatives wonder why everyone else thinks of them as the anti-fun party.
"Here's a picture of a blowjob I didn't enjoy" isn't fun. I mean, straight teenage boys would probably have a laugh over it, but I don't think "mocking people's experience of sexuality and gender" is the sort of fun you want to encourage.
I would have thought a teenager not enjoying sex would be a good example of being abstinent
Unfortunately, that's never ever the conclusion. The author dresses like a teenage boy, then goes to a pride event and sees people in bright, sparkly clothing (like women wear regularly), and reaches the conclusion that asexuals have the best thing going, never thinking "oh, maybe straight, cis women do enjoyable things that I've been cutting myself off of for no reason." The author tries different ways to have lesbian sex while imagining different kinds of gay sex, and never seriously considers "maybe I should take half of each of these and put them together".

Like, I can credit the book's honesty, and from that honesty you can find some of the right messages, but not because the author tells them to you. In a similar vein, there is no shortage of women in the world writing opinion pieces about how they lived out female empowerment and ended up trapped in a stressful career they no longer wanted and had performed a bunch of sex acts they now regretted, but they still all find the conclusion that society just still hasn't gone far enough to empower these women, or else they'd be happy that way. Never do they realize that they had made themselves into the perfect illustration of how fashioning your entire life after a stereotyped, sex-obsessed, hyper-ambitious man isn't actually empowering (for anyone, not just women).
 
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