Well yes the option is there to keep jumping to conclusions immediately without all the facts then keep backpeddling later on and never learn anything anything or try to be better but personally I think that does more harm than good to society too.
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When you only have open essential businesses, those businesses that provide help and aide to other countries are not open nor will people that help people in those countries be traveling there either.
Australia shouldn't have had much lockdowns since their strategy was not letting in covid.
I didn't say that Cochrane said masks don't work...
Indeed, you said Cochrane had said "there's no evidence they do anything". But that was also bullshit.
Wow, a graph posted on "Skeptics" without a functional link to its own source and without the data! How compelling!
There is no evidence that masks do anything... (by Cochrane or whoever)Indeed, you said Cochrane had said "there's no evidence they do anything". But that was also bullshit.
Wow, a graph posted on "Skeptics" without a functional link to its own source and without the data! How compelling!
From the same link with the other charts...
I don't care what you think. You said Cochrane said it. And that's not true.
The link to.... the 'Skeptics' forum, that doesn't provide the data or a working link to its own source.
OMG, you can't read what I said. I said there's no evidence that masks work. I did NOT say Cochrane said that masks don't work.
It does provide a link to that source, it's just that the source is paywalled.
Your exact words, copy & pasted: "Cochrane said there's no evidence masks do anything".
That is a lie.
K. So let's have a look at the data, then.
No, it's not, there is no evidence that masks do anything. You have to prove something works, I (or nobody) has to prove said thing doesn't work, that's not how science works.
There's no evidence that masks do anything is different than your quote from Cochrane:
Cochrane said:
Pay for the subscription then.
Right now, we're not discussing whether masks work. We're discussing your claim that "Cochrane said there's no evidence masks do anything". That's a positive claim about something you said that Cochraine said.
No. Because this is about your claim about Sweden's mortality rate. If you can't provide data to substantiate it, I'm not under any obligation to give a shit. You have nothing to rest your argument on, so we can just move past it.
That is what Cochrane concluded.
I've linked to that years ago before it was paywalled and then you just say excess mortality isn't a good metric so what's the point? The fact is there is not anything you can hang your hat on that worked with regards to the covid pandemic. Many peer countries with more restrictions than Sweden did worse (including your own country and my country), some did better depending on what metrics you wanna use. I think Japan did better than any of its peer countries in just about every metric and didn't lockdown, it didn't give a shit about testing, etc.
From the "don't listen to what I said, listen to what I'm saying" department: Hey, you remember that thing where Hegseth said that the government would be building an air force base for Qatar in idaho? Well, uh, that was just... uh... misreporting! Yeah, that's it! His exact words were misreporting!
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Just because he said it doesn't mean he said it! Stop believing your ears! Just believe in Trump!
Pentagon Pete Backtracks After Qatari Air Base Confusion
After announcing on Friday that the Trump administration would be providing an air base in Idaho to Qatar, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth backtracked, issuing a clarification on social media in respon...
MAGA balked at Team Trump's Qatari air force base. So now it's a 'fake story.' | Opinion
Team Trump hates being accurately quoted, especially when something they say inflames the MAGA influencers who usually spread his inverted reality.
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Just because he said it doesn't mean he said it! Stop believing your ears! Just believe in Trump!
This is not true.
You're going to have to actually link to this stuff, so we can see what was said and when.
Otherwise, so far, all we have is you claiming Sweden had the best mortality rate, but you not providing anything we can see to substantiate it.
That never actually happened. Go out, find the exact full quote, read for yourself. It was said from the beginning to be a facility at an existing US military base, and the clarification was only needed because people like you can't read.
That's a direct quote from Hegseth. "Build a Qatari Emeri air force facility". You're trying to make a distinction without a difference and claim it as proof that I'm wrong.
Turns out the leaders of the Young Republicans are every inch the violent racist scumbags we knew they were.
Not defending Hasan, but I love how left-wingers and liberals have to be literal saints to avoid being canceled, but you can, for example, rape a woman and still be taken seriously enough to be able to run for president of Ireland(One of many examples) if you're on the other side.
That said, if you treat your dog like a slave in a Skyrim Game(There are shock collar mods), you shouldn't get a dog.
That said, if you treat your dog like a slave in a Skyrim Game(There are shock collar mods), you shouldn't get a dog.
" build a Qatari Emeri Air Force facility at the Mountain Home Airbase ". He did not say they were getting a base. He said they were getting a facility at an existing US base explicitly from the start. It was literally the same sentence you pulled that quote from. "Well, if we only quote partial sentences, it creates enough ambiguity to interpret in the way we want, so he really shouldn't say anything that can be misinterpreted if we cut out most of the words." Nah, his first statement was fine.
It's not that black and white, is it?
Clarifications tend to get issued because what someone said wasn't clear. If people listen to a statement and plenty of them come out with an interpretation at variance with the intended meaning, the obvious conclusion is that the information given was not clear. And let's also note that this was hardly partisan - lots of right wingers also seem to have drawn the 'wrong' conclusion. In many occasions where someone claims they were misunderstood, the root of the problem was their initial lack of precision.
I also think Rogue Wolf has a point when he talks about a "distinction without a difference": Qatar having an operational facility within a wider US base is negligibly different from it having an independent operational base of its own in many ways that matter.
A lot of right wingers get their information from the same headlines as left wingers, it's not evidence of non-partisanship among the people writing the headlines if they mislead both parties.
This could be as simple as a misunderstanding, but that doesn't necessarily mean the statement was unclear. Ignorant listeners can be to blame for misunderstandings when the speaker used precise language correctly, and a clarification by the speaker is the solution in either case. That being said, The Rogue Wolf is not making so innocent an accusation as "Hegseth wasn't clear". He claimed that Hegseth's "exact words" were being reported on while linking two articles with "Qatari Air Base" in the headlines, which are words he did not say in that statement. Maybe the misreporting, in some cases, is a defensible misunderstanding of what he said. The Rogue Wolf does not get that leniency when making false claims about what exact words were used, after the clarifications and with the benefit of transcripts and hindsight. Post #20,752 is absolutely wrong, no excuses.
And it isn't a distinction without a difference. They are putting in a couple buildings to host and train Qatari pilots. Having your own base implies independent control over that space, the US has certain jurisdiction over our bases abroad. Qatar having a base in Idaho would imply the same independence, where a dormitory and a couple hangers within an existing US base for Qatari pilots to be trained on fighter jets would put them entirely under the control of the US military during their stay here. It is also a program that has been done with a variety of allied militaries, where an independent Qatari base on US soil would be unprecedented.
oh please, please please give us another of your comedy gold interviews, Andrew! Your legacy starts here, mate!
(non paywallled Times article, for I am the robin hood of newswebs! if robin hood sat on his arse staring at a phone screen risking absolutely nothing instead) https://archive.is/0aKnj
Just spotted a couple of Boris Johnson email/dairy/notes hack leak drop of 1800 files each online, and can't decide if I care enough to sift through them. Can't imagine many surprises tbh, everyone knows he's shriveled upper-class kuntgoblin already
(non paywallled Times article, for I am the robin hood of newswebs! if robin hood sat on his arse staring at a phone screen risking absolutely nothing instead) https://archive.is/0aKnj
Prince Andrew told Jeffrey Epstein ‘we are in this together’
Email sent a day after photograph with Virginia Giuffre was published appears to contradict the Duke of York’s claim he cut ties with the financier in 2010
Charlie Moloney
Sunday October 12 2025, 9.35am BST, The Times
Prince Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein in New York’s Central Park in 2010. The duke claimed in 2019 that he had “never had any contact” with the convicted paedophile from that day forward
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Prince Andrew allegedly told convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein “we are in this together” the day after the picture of him with Virginia Giuffre was published.
The Duke of York is reported to have told the late Epstein he was “concerned” for him after the revelations in the media in February 2011 and added: “We’ll play some more soon!”
It appears to contradict a claim he made on BBC’s Newsnight in November 2019, where he told Emily Maitlis he “never had any contact” with Epstein after the pair were pictured walking together in New York’s Central Park in December 2010.
The email was sent on February 28, 2011, the day after the Mail on Sunday published a picture of Andrew with Giuffre, who claimed that she was trafficked by Epstein to the duke. In a lawsuit filed against Andrew in 2021, Giuffre claimed that he sexually abused her three times when she was 17. The duke, who eventually settled the suit, has always denied any wrongdoing. Giuffre died by suicide aged 41 in April.
Prince Andrew, Virginia Giuffre and Ghislaine Maxwell
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• Virginia Giuffre’s lawyer: ‘Investigate Andrew’s ties to Epstein’
According to the Mail on Sunday, Andrew wrote to Epstein: “I’m just as concerned for you! Don’t worry about me!”
He added: “It would seem we are in this together and will have to rise above it. Otherwise keep in close touch and we’ll play some more soon!!!!”
Andrew signed off with “A, HRH The Duke of York, KG”. KG refers to the duke’s Knight of the Garter position, which he has held since 2006 and still retains.
The paper said it had verified the email address used by Andrew, while Epstein’s email address has repeatedly appeared in court documents and said the prince declined to comment.
The King has signalled that Prince Andrew and his ex-wife, Sarah, Duchess of York, will not be welcome at the royal family’s Christmas celebrations this year.
Sources close to Charles indicated he would keep the duke and duchess at arm’s length after it emerged that Ferguson maintained ties with Epstein despite publicly denouncing him in 2011.
The King has also made clear that he would prefer the pair, who divorced in 1996, to be “invisible” at future gatherings.
Just spotted a couple of Boris Johnson email/dairy/notes hack leak drop of 1800 files each online, and can't decide if I care enough to sift through them. Can't imagine many surprises tbh, everyone knows he's shriveled upper-class kuntgoblin already
It is literally what they concluded... There is no evidence that masks actually did anything but the media narrative was that you are killing people if you don't wear a mask.
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks
There is a link...