Seems a bit racist to say African Americans don't like living in rural areas.
You might as well use the Hot Fuzz argument "there's more weapons in the country than the town".
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You might as well use the Hot Fuzz argument "there's more weapons in the country than the town".
What the holy fuck are you talking about?
When they record crimes, they record crimes. There is no distinction between "secondary hit", whatever that means. You are burgled or not burgled, and you are hit in dodgeball or not hit. You set the parameters for your analogy, just accept that you screwed up and it undermined your point.
No, I'm not forgetting anything.
You're introducing an extremely spurious argument out of nowhere. It has relatively little relevance in the real world because people don't do generally stats on areas with 10 or fewer households where that sort of noise in the data would have such an outsize effect. Not least because the larger scale statistics of rural versus urban will often be national averages.
For the millionth time, Western Australia.
Brief effective lockdowns maintained it as a covid free place. We lived a normal life for the duration of the pandemic. Only once adequate vaccination and safety levels had been reached did we allow community spread.
Planning on ignoring it again, or going to deflect and look at AUSTRALIA'S stat's instead of WESTERN Australia (a state).
I don't care if masks are technically a medical intervention or not. I'd personally consider it a medical intervention. That semantics issue aside, if you tell me to do literally anything and I ask "why?" and you have 1) no proof and 2) it doesn't make sense, I'm not gonna do it.
There is no actual good evidence that shows masks do anything against something like the flu or covid. Show the studies or it's just misinformation at this point.
You replied with 0.36% in context to me saying the IFR was below 0.2%. How are you gonna reply to me talking about the IFR and retort with another number when that number has little relevance to the actual IRF? And that's why I said people have gotten covid multiple times now and thus the infections are more than the population by probably at least 3 fold at this point. You're the one that doesn't seem to understand IFR is number of infections, not the population number.
It's another one of those things that really wasn't plausible if you just give it a second of thought. People were using the case fatality rate early on and that was much higher obviously. There was just no way the IFR was gonna to be that high, China's death rate was at 2% but that was at a time when mild cases weren't being counted/known. It's like how it was pretty well known the virus was airborne super early on, but technically wasn't 100% known so you couldn't say for sure it was airborne but it was airborne. Also, they didn't want to say it was airborne because of the PPE requirements would change and we just didn't have the supplies for that.
The general IFR for covid includes the world. Also, if you wanna go by I should care about the US IFR more than some young African population, why should I even care about the US IFR then, shouldn't I just care about the IFR for my group (age, pre-existing conditions, etc.)? What does location actually matter then? It's why I got the J&J vaccine because it was the safest for my age and gender group.
Covid deaths aren't the only deaths that matter. Sweden had basically the least OVERALL death of any country during the pandemic. Every other public health issue didn't just take a year+ off and stop being an issue anymore.
Sweden had a better excess death rate than Australia. What is western Autralia's excess death rate in comparison to Sweden?
Sigh. So we're continuing to ignore the statements about covid not impacting day to day life during the lockdowns years. In order to chase one particular stat, which you have declared the one true measure of wether lockdowns worked.
I dont want to humour you, because this is some toddler throwing a tantrum, "NO IM RIGHT, TRUST ME" asinine bullshit.
But, I will humour you, because fuck you.
You are a clown.
For bonus points, our neighbouring state South Australia, who also used similar lockdown policies, recorded -3.2% and 0.5% during the lockdown policy periods.
You'll note both those are significantly lower than Sweden, and both areas who had minimal community transmission (which means life went on as usual most of the time).
Have a tag because you like to ignore things which dont specifically address you via quote walls. @Phoenixmgs
I dont want to humour you, because this is some toddler throwing a tantrum, "NO IM RIGHT, TRUST ME" asinine bullshit.
But, I will humour you, because fuck you.
You are a clown.
- During the first two years of the pandemic, mortality in WA was generally within the expected range of variation. There was less than 1% excess mortality in 2021. In 2020, lower than expected mortality was recorded, with a period of statistically significant lower than expected mortality between August and September.
For bonus points, our neighbouring state South Australia, who also used similar lockdown policies, recorded -3.2% and 0.5% during the lockdown policy periods.
You'll note both those are significantly lower than Sweden, and both areas who had minimal community transmission (which means life went on as usual most of the time).
Have a tag because you like to ignore things which dont specifically address you via quote walls. @Phoenixmgs
Sweden had an increase of about 7,000 deaths over the average for 2020
Australia had an increase of about 1,000
This is all deaths. And Australia is twice the size of Sweden. Sweden had 14x the increase in ALL deaths because they didn't lockdown
Legitimately, what are you talking about?
You have cited a post where I did not say 0.36% of Americans dying was the IFR, and that it provided context to the IFR. And then tried to claim I meant IFR.
So you are just lying. Pathetic.
You can, you know, just reply to me, I can't read literally every post. If you don't want the quoted text to take up so much space, the forum already cuts the length of how much is displayed if the quoted text is so long or you can just delete the quoted text and put in "Snip" as well.
What's the best stat (not saying any one stat is perfect, they all have issues) for how well a country did then? I feel excess deaths is a better starting point. Every country counted covid deaths differently for example, Sweden did count those that died with covid as covid deaths (that's just how they did it) so that's not evenly comparable to other countries. Then, obviously, how well a country did during covid isn't just based on covid deaths alone because it's not the only public health issue. Then, of course, you have different average ages the population is, population density, and so many other factors. Also, Australia does have a rather unique physical border (even more so Western Australia than East where East has far more local and international travel) that most countries don't have obviously (especially in Europe, once you're in Europe, you can go anywhere).
The link does show that Western Australia had lower excess deaths during the 1st 2 years. Part of the reason I've said lockdowns aren't good isn't just because of the first year or two, it's the long-term effects as well. I'm actually surprised how well Sweden has done compared to their peers because I figured it would become noticeable 5, 10, 20 years from now. That leads into the increased in excess deaths the last two years in Western Australia. It's not about "NO I'M RIGHT!!!" that you think it is, it's that there's no proof anyone has ever showed that the benefits of lockdowns have exceeded the great costs of them. Every single cost-benefit analysis I've seen on lockdowns has found far far far far far greater harms than benefits and no one has ever once provided any proof that lockdowns worked.
No-Lockdown Sweden Seemingly Tied for Lowest All-Causes Mortality in OECD Since COVID Arrived
Focusing on all-causes mortality, and not just on COVID mortality, helps account for various potential indirect effects of lockdowns.
reason.com
Then, why'd you even post that if there was literally no point to counter my claimed IFR?
Post #6348.
Do you have the memory of a goldfish, or do you just not bother reading? Maybe the latter, because you certainly don't seem to read the sources you cite.
Jesus Christ, man, please vet your sources better. A libertarian blog, by someone with a clear axe to grind, making some of the flimsiest leaps of logic.No-Lockdown Sweden Seemingly Tied for Lowest All-Causes Mortality in OECD Since COVID Arrived
Focusing on all-causes mortality, and not just on COVID mortality, helps account for various potential indirect effects of lockdowns.
So, our excess deaths were lowered, our economy was stable and we kept covid out of our community almost entirely, but that's still not evidence of a working lockdown?
And once again, you default to cost benefit analysis, forgetting you previously tried to assure me that wasn't your only point.
Start being honest and just outright say your position can't be changed because you don't want it to be, not because of lack of evidence.
Snipping is wildly unintuitive and annoying on mobile (much like you). @Phoenixmgs
And once again, you default to cost benefit analysis, forgetting you previously tried to assure me that wasn't your only point.
Start being honest and just outright say your position can't be changed because you don't want it to be, not because of lack of evidence.
Snipping is wildly unintuitive and annoying on mobile (much like you). @Phoenixmgs
Did you know suicide rates also went down during Covid?
Now, Australia did put resources into A) mental health and B) keeping as many people employed and C) making sure covid doesn't fuck up your work and personal life
Phoenixmgs keeps pretending that just a lockdown happened and there was no mitigating policies.
Also, and I haven't seen anyone do any actual analysis why suicides went down, but I'm going to guess that getting a better work/life balance helps
What does that post have anything to do with your 0.36 number? Because your gross estimation (without any work) that everyone would have needed to get covid 8 times (which has nothing to do with this 0.36 number)? Though I do have a friend that got it I think at least 6 times now (because she has to always test because she works at an elderly care place). That's the only logic I can get from that. I basically ignored that because I have no idea how you pulled those numbers out to begin with (because the amount of people that got covid before vaccination was extremely undercounted and you're probably using a number like that to start your math problem, garbage in garbage out). The people that do die from covid are those that are very old or very vulnerable and any type of flu-like infection can be the last straw. Does that 90% mortality decrease apply to the main population that covid is deadly to? Nope, because the trials for that number are from a much wider ranging group of people. The same reason you b!tch about my IFR number being wrong (when I do indeed want the world average for that) saying it should be location-based. And that is just as bad or good (however you wanna look at it) as what I want because if you're a 30 year old dude in the US or say Niger (youngest population), your chance of dying is still the same regardless, you don't magically have less chance of dying if you're in Niger just because its IFR is lower than the US.
Jesus Christ, man, can you not do ad hominem attacks? If there's something wrong with the data, point it out.
The benefits and harms of something don't just take place in the immediate future, there's long-term effects as well. I was pretty shocked that Sweden did so well during the pandemic (in comparison to peer countries) because the lockdowns at worst should provide immediately apparent benefits as the harms don't show nearly as fast. I said excess mortality to you because everything I've seen is that Sweden did do extremely well in comparison to just about every country and it is kinda hard to find numbers just for say Western Australia as you didn't want me comparing Sweden to Australia. I can say the same thing about comparing Western Australia to all of Sweden but an area of Sweden with a similar population density to Western Australia and it would probably be a smaller gap. But trying to find such numbers isn't that easy.
In certain circumstances, lockdowns may have been beneficial (like your area) but your area is also very very unique. Australia overall did a good job and was also lucky to have limited covid initially very well. Almost no other place was in that situation. Before the US even did anything, NYC already had close to 20% infected, the virus was way too far spread across the US for a lockdown strategy to do much. And that was most countries.
The 'data' is unusable for the purpose the writer intends. He's just bunging together a comparison of all deaths-- whether related to covid, lockdowns, or neither-- and then making the leap from there to attributing cause. He controls for no variables whatsoever. It's the worst, most statistically-illiterate approach someone can take.
Hypothetically: if Sweden passed a road safety law in 2020, and saw a corresponding decrease in fatalities, your source would attribute equal weight to that as it would to deaths from covid.... in an analysis supposedly looking at the impact of covid policies.
Even if I find the whole thing funny, the republican senator would likely win given his MMA background.
He was an amateur MMA competitor, which puts him in the position as an army reservist. He'll know a little about a lot and a lot about a little but until he's been in the shit he's unproven and fate is a fickle mistress indeed. And there's a difference between a bout in a ring and a punch up in some random office.
Regardless of that its a fucking disgrace that it even got to this point. Like fucking Christ these people are supposed to be statesmen.
The other guy is untrained.
But yes, congress is a clown's show, and this guy leads a state where every metric tells people to not live in his state.
