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Oh and on this Christmas Eve

The woke lot did try to claim secret Jewish Oligarchs control the media and that's why Jeremy Corbyn lost in the UK


Might I suggest that when you say something and then provide evidence, check that the evidence doesnt contradict what you say
 
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Please read more closely to what the links you're posting say.
Check the video

It's not news coming Via the Jewish Chronicle it was the smears and flasehoods they're claiming were spread by them.


Might I suggest that when you say something and then provide evidence, check that the evidence doesnt contradict what you say
I should have given added context. 72 Virgins is a comedy fictional novel by Boris Johnson about an inept MP who foils a terrorist plot by accident. So they evidence they're using against him is he once wrote it in a deliberately silly comedy novel and likely with a far different context surrounding it. Possibly in the novel literally being said by the terrorist mastermind or whatever.
 

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You keep mistaking 'cant write POC characters' as meaning white people are being banned, rather than Kotaku claiming they shown a propensity to write them poorly. You know, that exact fake wokism you keep worrying about

Also, when wasn't Kotaku woke? It's been that way for almost a decade
The issue is they're seemingly writing her as a more complex character and not super awesome amazing and perfect with only being held back because the Patriarchy / White supremacy. That's the woke way to write characters really these days.
 

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Check the video

It's not news coming Via the Jewish Chronicle it was the smears and flasehoods they're claiming were spread by them.



I should have given added context. 72 Virgins is a comedy fictional novel by Boris Johnson about an inept MP who foils a terrorist plot by accident. So they evidence they're using against him is he once wrote it in a deliberately silly comedy novel and likely with a far different context surrounding it. Possibly in the novel literally being said by the terrorist mastermind or whatever.
I can't believe I actually have to explain this

The Jewish Chronicle is NOT all jews.

Also, as far I can see in the Ipoc report, they weren't claiming any secret cabal stuff. Or any problem with Jewishness in general. Nor in the tweets. The Jewish Chronicle (which I thought was Conservatives) was backing a conservative because of their identity politics, irrelevant of BJs opinion of Jews. The tweet is pointing out that they think this is hypocritical

At most, it's a VERY open attack by a very overt newspaper that happens to be Jewish that ignored their picks opinions of them
 

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The issue is they're seemingly writing her as a more complex character and not super awesome amazing and perfect with only being held back because the Patriarchy / White supremacy. That's the woke way to write characters really these days.
Kotaku agrees with you. Hence the article
 

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Kotaku agrees with you. Hence the article
No because the protagonist from Forspoken isn't a super amazing perfect character.


I can't believe I actually have to explain this

The Jewish Chronicle is NOT all jews.

Also, as far I can see in the Ipoc report, they weren't claiming any secret cabal stuff. Or any problem with Jewishness in general. Nor in the tweets. The Jewish Chronicle (which I thought was Conservatives) was backing a conservative because of their identity politics, irrelevant of BJs opinion of Jews. The tweet is pointing out that they think this is hypocritical

At most, it's a VERY open attack by a very overt newspaper that happens to be Jewish that ignored their picks opinions of them
some evidence for you

 

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No because the protagonist from Forspoken isn't a super amazing perfect character.
they were asking for a non-sterotypical charater

some evidence for you

This says that factions in UK labour used a smear campaign against Corbyn (note: I wouldn't say Stamer lead this so that's dishonest imo.)

Note how 1. There isn't talk of Jews, as a demographic, doing this
2. Unless we are pretending that that faction in UK Labour are all Jews. Which I don't think a large group in any side of politics has stated
3. No talk of (((them))) being in control of media
4. This is all public. Not secret

You might have disagreements about what happened... but it doesn't match your original post which claimed that

1. Someone woke pretending Jews are bad
2. Pretending they are controlling all the media
3. It's done in secret

This tweet is saying that supporting #Itwasascam is being antisemitic. Which has nothing to do with those 3 points. And, considering it Corbyn (and MP supporter), I'd doubt a 'woke' person is doing this
 

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"Hey, I didn't do it (but I think it's stupid and totally would)" is not a great argument, but I gotta say: having occasionally gotten somebody's voice wrong over the phone or occasionally just said the wrong thing because how do brain work, cis people absolutely do lose their shit over being misgendered. Not exactly difficult to image somebody being touchy over that if it happens constantly by people who swear they have nothing against them

Like, shit, dude: back in my clueless days I had an older gal I worked with blow up at me for calling her "ma'am". Because she'd repeatedly asked me not to. Made her feel old. See, it doesn't matter how polite I think I'm being if I'm being rude as fuck in the process. There is absolutely more to this story.
I explained why I would do it because how the fuck am I supposed to know her preferred pronoun when I don't even know her? It is all about intent, deontology is what I use for morals and ethics. Why would you get mad at someone for trying to be nice? It's like people that get mad at others wishing them a merry xmas because they aren't religious. I don't got time for that bullshit. The story is literally that, I have no reason to believe my friend would lie about it.

Mind-blower: moose is the singular and plural form describing the antlered megafauna. How do you tell them apart? Context clues.

Do you really want to make the argument that you can't use "they" as a singular third-person pronoun because you're bad at context clues? I guarantee you've used "they" as a singular pronoun in the past without even thinking of it.

Also, speaking as somebody who has nonbinary friends, the majority will politely correct you if you get it wrong as an honest mistake or force of habit. But they can also tell when you're making a good faith effort or not, and they really don't want to have to deal with your crap if you're not making that effort.
Moose isn't a pronoun. English has a bunch of dumb things in it, doesn't mean we should add more dumb things when not necessary. Lastly, pronouns are historically used to refer to sex and not gender anyway.
 

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Moose isn't a pronoun. English has a bunch of dumb things in it, doesn't mean we should add more dumb things when not necessary. Lastly, pronouns are historically used to refer to sex and not gender anyway.
So it's dumb to continue using "they" as a singular person pronoun, which we've been doing since there was an English language? No dude, this is just you being difficult. Again.

Also, if you're going to make a historical argument, then historically black people were slaves. What's your fucking point? Things change.
 

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I explained why I would do it because how the fuck am I supposed to know her preferred pronoun when I don't even know her? It is all about intent, deontology is what I use for morals and ethics. Why would you get mad at someone for trying to be nice?
I mean, there's that bit where you know they wanted to be called they because that's a distinct part of the story you related, then said you were going to be calling them she regardless.

Much like my story, just because you're trying to be nice doesn't mean you're actually being nice, especially when the person involved specifically requests otherwise.
 
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I explained why I would do it because how the fuck am I supposed to know her preferred pronoun when I don't even know her?
I dont even understand how this is a problem. A real simple answer... you don't. That's why the expectation is that people tell you

Oh, you're just scared of a strawman. I get it.

You know, if transpeople actually had cancel squads on beck and call, they would be targeted so much
 

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Edit: Well it turned my comment into someone else quote. replying to Phoenixmgs...

I dont even understand how this is a problem. A real simple answer... you don't. That's why the expectation is that people tell you


Oh, you're just scared of a strawman. I get it.

Edit: just realised that this is just making sure that people have an excuse to not listen when talking about genders. I guess you got what you wanted

You know, if transpeople actually had cancel squads on beck and call, they would be targeted so much
 

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So it's dumb to continue using "they" as a singular person pronoun, which we've been doing since there was an English language? No dude, this is just you being difficult. Again.

Also, if you're going to make a historical argument, then historically black people were slaves. What's your fucking point? Things change.
I included a pretty basic example of why using they as singular doesn't work all the time. The only time people use they as a singular when it's some person they don't know like "ask someone if they can help" as that person is obviously unknown, though if there's a guy down the aisle in Home Depot in Home Depot worker clothing, you'd say "ask him for help".

OMG, everything that's historical isn't bad. Might as well say why are we continually driving on the right side of the road? It must be bad because historically that's what we've done. What's so morally wrong about using pronouns for sex identifiers instead of gender?


I mean, there's that bit where you know they wanted to be called they because that's a distinct part of the story you related, then said you were going to be calling them she regardless.

Much like my story, just because you're trying to be nice doesn't mean you're actually being nice, especially when the person involved specifically requests otherwise.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HER. If I bumped into her in the real world, I wouldn't know. She's indeed a female thus I would refer to her as a female with pronouns. There's a difference between trying to be nice and actually being nice, if the person is actually being nice, then they are being nice. It's not like you in the story were "showing off" as nice but being passive aggressive about it (like some family member you don't like), you were just being normal nice to the person. It's like say your father using a phrase you don't like (for example, I hate the "I could care less" phrase) out of habit and getting mad at him for continuing to use it when there's no intent of trying to piss you off. Why is it all on the other person for changing and not on you for being able to brush such rather inconsequential stuff off? Maybe that lady should think about changing her own perception of what the word "ma'am" means to her because calling guys "sir" and gals "ma'am" is very very common and does not refer to age by the vast majority of society (at most they just mean you're of adult age). Having words that everyone agrees means the same thing is kinda the point of language.


Oh, you're just scared of a strawman. I get it.

You know, if transpeople actually had cancel squads on beck and call, they would be targeted so much
What strawman? The lines of dialogue purposefully doesn't include what's actually being discussed. And what the joke actually is referring to has nothing to do with trans people. Why do you think it's about trans people? You do realize It's Always Sunny is a very popular show and that almost everyone will laugh at that scene. Your life can get turned upside down by cancel culture, just google Justine Sacco. Is there some high probability that it will happen? Nope, but that fact it's a possibility is pretty sad.
 

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I included a pretty basic example of why using they as singular doesn't work all the time. The only time people use they as a singular when it's some person they don't know like "ask someone if they can help" as that person is obviously unknown, though if there's a guy down the aisle in Home Depot in Home Depot worker clothing, you'd say "ask him for help".

OMG, everything that's historical isn't bad. Might as well say why are we continually driving on the right side of the road? It must be bad because historically that's what we've done. What's so morally wrong about using pronouns for sex identifiers instead of gender?
How is this not just you being difficult? Because make no mistake, that's what this is. You know when to use "they" as a singular person pronoun. The only reason not to and misgender someone is either because you're a bigot or you're just being difficult.

Also, I don't take the "history" argument seriously for 2 reasons. One, it sounds like an arbitrary thing that you just made up, and two things change. Get the fuck over it.
 

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How is this not just you being difficult? Because make no mistake, that's what this is. You know when to use "they" as a singular person pronoun. The only reason not to and misgender someone is either because you're a bigot or you're just being difficult.
Again, I used a pretty normal example of how it can mess up the syntax. People are already bad with names, now you want people to have a mental database of pronouns attached to every person, is there going to be a 3rd or 4th thing we're going to have attach to every person? Just looking up a pronoun list now, there's stuff like "zie", what? And, I'm the one trying to make things more difficult? Only the people that are close friends and family are possibly going to refer someone by the preferred pronoun anyway and most people in the world are just going to refer to you with pronouns based on your sex anyway. Why can't we just use sex instead of gender for pronouns again? Wouldn't sex be, you know, less difficult? And I hope you don't speak Spanish because that's a whole clusterfuck.
 

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Like, shit, dude: back in my clueless days I had an older gal I worked with blow up at me for calling her "ma'am". Because she'd repeatedly asked me not to.
I glossed over this before but: obviously not a woman who spent any significant time in the south, lol. That or she hated every minute of it. We kinda say that reflexively here. What did she want to substitute for ma'am anyway? Just drop it entirely?

Why can't we just use sex instead of gender for pronouns again? Wouldn't sex be, you know, less difficult?
Because dysphoria is a thing. To deliberately misgender a person is rude, disrespectful, antagonistic, and in general just plain assholish. It's not hard. Mistakes happen, sure, but mistakes are not a big deal. Disrespect and antagonization however, is. You want to be rude to a transperson? Then you're labeling yourself an asshole, and should be treated as such.

Seriously. Don't be a dick. Or an asshole.
 
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Again, I used a pretty normal example of how it can mess up the syntax.
Then construct the sentence better. Speak better English.

People are already bad with names, now you want people to have a mental database of pronouns attached to every person, is there going to be a 3rd or 4th thing we're going to have attach to every person?
You're going to have a fucking stroke when you learn about nicknames. Why is this an imposition upon you? Be real.

And, I'm the one trying to make things more difficult?
No, you're being difficult. There's a difference. You're acting as if this is some, vast perplexing problem with no solution except to continue misgendering people for your own comfort.

Only the people that are close friends and family are possibly going to refer someone by the preferred pronoun anyway and most people in the world are just going to refer to you with pronouns based on your sex anyway.
Once again, spoken like a man who thinks the rest of the world secretly agrees with him. Your arrogance knows no bounds.

Why can't we just use sex instead of gender for pronouns again? Wouldn't sex be, you know, less difficult?
Because dysphoria is a thing. By going on about how confusing it is to you, you're admitting to being stupid, an asshole, or both. Which is it?

And I hope you don't speak Spanish because that's a whole clusterfuck.
Linguists, intersectionalists, psychologists and other people far more intelligent and educated than you pretend to be are already having this debate.
 

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I included a pretty basic example of why using they as singular doesn't work all the time.
The example is meaningless.

Imagine we had Sue and Jane who both idenfied as female. You can't use "she" in that situation because it unclear whether it means Sue or Jane. Are you then to argue "she" doesn't work as a third person singular pronoun?