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What difference does using the other bathroom actually make? Just go into the stall and it is the same. Everybody poops.
It's 2021 and people still don't understand that "it doesn't matter, what difference does it make" is, at best, a wholly self-defeating argument
 
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It's 2021 and people still don't understand that "it doesn't matter, what difference does it make" is, at best, a wholly self-defeating argument
We also used mostly the same bathrooms anyway. On a plane, at a small restaurant, fast food places, Port-o-potties.

This is all outrage because people can't use the bathroom that has their favorite sign on the door.
 

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We also used mostly the same bathrooms anyway. On a plane, at a small restaurant, fast food places, Port-o-potties.

This is all outrage because people can't use the bathroom that has their favorite sign on the door.
If it's so insignificant then why not let people use the bathroom of their gender identity? Other than not respecting trans people? Can biological men not molest boys? Same for women and girls? Perhaps we should switch to an isolated pod system for public restrooms rather than any allowing multiple people in?
 

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We also used mostly the same bathrooms anyway. On a plane, at a small restaurant, fast food places, Port-o-potties.

This is all outrage because people can't use the bathroom that has their favorite sign on the door.
In a gendered space (such as a bathroom), people who don't fit gender expectations are quite likely to face scrutiny, distrust, or even harassment.

So, say someone presents as a woman, but is forced to use the men's restroom. Cue scrutiny, distrust, harassment. If they'd been able to use the bathroom that they feel most comfortable in, they wouldn't need to face that.

Of course, a way of getting around this altogether is to introduce unisex bathrooms. After all, that's the logical conclusion of your argument, is it not? If it's just signs, if that's all it is, then everyone can surely use the same bathroom together. No scrutiny or distrust, because anyone and everyone is supposed to be using the same space.

...Except the very same people who hate the idea of trans people using their preferred bathroom are also the same ones against unisex toilets. See: the US Republican Party.
 

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But shit does happen so why not protect people as much as possible? Why even invite the possibility?
I was at the gym the other day and the guy who was on the bench before me was lifting, quite easily, twice my body weight (so about 160kg). If that guy decided to fuck me up in the toilets, there's absolutely nothing I could do about it. Should we have separate toilets by size?

(The guy was perfectly nice, and in no way threatening. Fucking massive though. Seriously, he was moving that 160 like I'd pick up an empty box.)
 
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Perhaps we should switch to an isolated pod system for public restrooms rather than any allowing multiple people in?
I love the idea that there's an app you can use to summon a poo pod that just swishes in next to you, you get in, shit, leave, and it swishes away again. ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS ELON?! DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR ONCE!
 
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The American Medical Association is full of corporate, greedly entitled assholes. One day future generations will see them as no different than the tobacco lobby.

 

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Of course, a way of getting around this altogether is to introduce unisex bathrooms. After all, that's the logical conclusion of your argument, is it not? If it's just signs, if that's all it is, then everyone can surely use the same bathroom together. No scrutiny or distrust, because anyone and everyone is supposed to be using the same space.
Well, there's also the physical differences between sexes. Although I suppose women could have a go at using urinals.
 

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I was at the gym the other day and the guy who was on the bench before me was lifting, quite easily, twice my body weight (so about 160kg). If that guy decided to fuck me up in the toilets, there's absolutely nothing I could do about it. Should we have separate toilets by size?
I don't know about evading him in the toilets, but he should be relatively easy to outrun. That muscle's going to cost him a lot of speed, and potentially stamina.
 
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I don't know about evading him in the toilets, but he should be relatively easy to outrun. That muscle's going to cost him a lot of speed, and potentially stamina.
*Sweating balls on the treadmill trying to outrun the behemoth*.

No, I could almost definitely outrun him because I'm quick like an ox.
 

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"The most successful far-left parties are those which have undergone significant internal ideological and strategic evolution, have overcome internal dogmatism, have pragmatic, charismatic leadership cadres, and concentrate on practical campaigns in coordination with extra-parliamentary actors and the global justice movement. The weaker parties are those still dogged with past internecine disputes and doctrinal questions, with lingering opposition to governmental participation, and ageing and conservative activists (the communists above all)."

What I wouldn't give for a charismatic lefty leader in the US.

Edit: "Far-left parties have pursued three basic strategies with varied success. The communist strategy is, with few exceptions, the least successful, and even traditional communists are now appealing to forms of democratic socialism or national populism. The democratic socialists promote an ecosocialist strategy that seeks to influence social democratic parties from the left and potentially join in a coalition. They are particularly strong where existing Green parties are weak but face problems with distinguishing themselves from social democracy and with involvement in government compromises. Populist socialist parties are the most dynamic since their position is best able to exploit discontent with mainstream social democratic parties and to address issues of contemporary disenchantment such as Euroscepticism, although they face stiff competition from the extreme right"

Edit2: Essentially, the only sure-fire way of »dealing with« the far left is to attempt to engage with it on a pragmatic case-by-case basis, approaching it as a normal political actor, cooperating with it where necessary, engaging with it in debate and dialogue, considering it as a potential coalition partner if appropriate. This is not likely to work in all cases – for example, the policies of the Greek and Portuguese communists are »beyond the pale« for most. However, exposing the far left to the oxygen of publicity deprives it of the luxury of permanent opposition and outsider status, allows it to test and potentially moderate its policies, and grants – for social democratic politicians above all – the flexibility of extra coalition options and perhaps a mutually beneficial strategic or tactical left– left the partnership.

Edit 3: In the long term, the appeal of the far left cannot be separated from wider problems both in the EU and national political systems, and within contemporary social democracy. Its root causes are: antiestablishment sentiment, socio-economic distress, the perception that mainstream political actors – above all, social democratic parties – are becoming increasingly technocratic and near-identical, and that citizens are defenceless before the forces of globalisation. It will not be easy to develop concrete policies to address these sentiments, but they might include measures to »democratise the EU« and make its institutions and decision-making more transparent and »closer to the people«. Is it time to reconsider thorny issues such as an elected EU president, or moving the EU parliament to one location? Is it time for European social democracy to rethink its – now often reflexively uncritical – attitudes towards issues such as privatisation, market regulation and progressive taxation, particularly given the contemporary traumas of unregulated, globalised capitalism? Is it time for contemporary social democracy to attempt to become more populist, engaging more directly with identity issues, the perception of distance between political elites and the population, perhaps to the degree of attempting to re-invigorate its local democratic, community and even extra-parliamentary identity? Whatever the answers to such questions, it is certain that if politicians – and social democratic ones above all – do not begin to engage with them in a systematic way, then the far left will continue to flourish.

Yes, I know it's about the EU, but also applies to the US.

Key points

1. A successful green party limits the influence of the hard left

2. Something I took from this is that the democrats first tried extreme aggressive marginalization against social democrats(progressives) and anyone to the left of social liberals, now they are trying Pragmatic cooperation. (Joe Biden) which means the democrats are out of options to counter the far-left. they can either try half, and half of the pragmatic cooperation, and aggressive marginalization, or another combination, but if they fail, and try full pragmatic cooperation, and fail again. They will be forced to co-opt the left agneda. They could try all three which in my opinion is the best solution for the corpos, but two can play at that game.
 
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Why were you advocating for transwomen being banned from bathroom?
So your claim is that I'm misrepresenting you, DH. So how about this

The bathroom laws are being advocted because there is concerns about transwomen molesting and raping women and girls

Is this misrepresenting you?
Only slightly but in a rather important way. I was arguing self identification alone is a bad standard to put in and will allow terrible people to take advantage of it.
Thus the people doing the stuff for the vast overwhelming majority of such incidents wouldn't actually be true Trasnwomen doing it.
 

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Welcome to Woke world where people celebrate the death of a baby under the belief said baby might grow up to vote republican

 

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In a gendered space (such as a bathroom), people who don't fit gender expectations are quite likely to face scrutiny, distrust, or even harassment.

So, say someone presents as a woman, but is forced to use the men's restroom. Cue scrutiny, distrust, harassment. If they'd been able to use the bathroom that they feel most comfortable in, they wouldn't need to face that.
That is almost never going to happen lol.

Dudes have probably had women come into their toilets before at least once especially if there's a large queue at the womens. I've seen it before and the normal reaction is everyone looking and then when they say there's a big queue at the women's all the dudes go basically go "Yeh go ahead no issue"

Of course, a way of getting around this altogether is to introduce unisex bathrooms. After all, that's the logical conclusion of your argument, is it not? If it's just signs, if that's all it is, then everyone can surely use the same bathroom together. No scrutiny or distrust, because anyone and everyone is supposed to be using the same space.

...Except the very same people who hate the idea of trans people using their preferred bathroom are also the same ones against unisex toilets. See: the US Republican Party.
Problem with Unisex is mostly they work in public locations that have some level of monitoring going on or people easily at hand so less reliant on public reporting. Or they are all cubicles and self contained spaces which while cool it does somewhat reduce the efficiency of things and with less stalls it can really hold things up.[/QUOTE]
 

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The American Medical Association is full of corporate, greedly entitled assholes. One day future generations will see them as no different than the tobacco lobby.

That whole argument applies equally to food.
 

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That whole argument applies equally to food.
Less so since food costs less than anti-cancer surgery right now for example. It's the same reason I don't support the government-run shoe or clothing factories unless AI comes into play, and can remove the human factor in supply chains, but not demand.
 

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We also used mostly the same bathrooms anyway. On a plane, at a small restaurant, fast food places, Port-o-potties.

This is all outrage because people can't use the bathroom that has their favorite sign on the door.
Yeah, that's what it's about. Definitely has nothing to due with anti-lgbt groups spending tens of millions of dollars sponsoring hundreds of bills to definitively put an end to a complete non-issue that doesn't actually matter.
 

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Less so since food costs less than anti-cancer surgery right now for example. It's the same reason I don't support the government-run shoe or clothing factories unless AI comes into play, and can remove the human factor in supply chains, but not demand.
On the scale of a person's lifetime, that isn't even true. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but I would take a guess the average person spends a good bit more on food in their life than healthcare.
 

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Only slightly but in a rather important way. I was arguing self identification alone is a bad standard to put in and will allow terrible people to take advantage of it.
Thus the people doing the stuff for the vast overwhelming majority of such incidents wouldn't actually be true Trasnwomen doing it.
Everyone needs to show their gender cards before they could use the appropriate bathroom

I don't understand why a person who would have a gender change just to rape people wouldn't go the extra step and get the card that makes it possible. Getting the card is so much easier than a gender transition
 

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Yeah, that's what it's about. Definitely has nothing to due with anti-lgbt groups spending tens of millions of dollars sponsoring hundreds of bills to definitively put an end to a complete non-issue that doesn't actually matter.
Man, I would have said something about it being an outrage against people not using the bathroom sign the Christians (and other religions) think they should have

Anti-LBGT is just a movement forcing people to act exactly the way the Anti-LBGT people want them to. Otherwise known as cancelling