Game of Thrones - I give up
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I like the show and love the books. In the books I enjoyed reading Robb(well...catelyns) perspective. I didn't get the same from the show adaption but it was still a powerful scene.
After reading it though I did stop reading for a few days. Too good of a series to stop entirely
After reading it though I did stop reading for a few days. Too good of a series to stop entirely
I think it's cynicism as it always comes across as unnecessary fan-service and "boobs for the sake of getting people off". Some people feel insulted that they are being treated like they only think with their genitalia. As if they can't sit through the program without seeing some nudity to keep them interested.Timmey said:
My brother in law told me before I started reading GOT in 2005 that if I wanted to get into the books, I had to not get emotionally attached to any of the characters. Well, it happened with Ned Stark, and never again after that. Martin tends to introduce characters just to kill them off. I recently got the bluray box set for GOT and it is really good, I like what they did with the script. Splitting Storm into 2 seasons was a great idea as it does have two distinct climaxes and is also the first book in the series that is insanely long.
I've read all the books so far, and I'm curious to see what they'll do with A Feast for Crows and a Dance with Dragons in season 5-6 (7?) since those books run parallel in time to each other with different sets of characters (barring Arya, who is in all books).
I must say, though, if he EVER kills off Arya I will cry like a little *****. For hours.
I must say, though, if he EVER kills off Arya I will cry like a little *****. For hours.
It's most certainly the second one. When you hate naked people so much, fine, don't watch the show. But don't start accusing the show of being fanservice, or claim that the only reason people watch the show is blood and tities.omega 616 said:
I really don't understand you people. Yes, there is Sex in it. Sex is a part of life. Since it's so enjoyable it's actually a pretty damn important part of many peoples lifes. So why do you have such a problem, when a tv show actually aknowledges this fact?
Yes, there i nudity in the show but it always serves a reason. It's there to show the viewer stuff about the characters, that they can't just tell them, like a book can. And people walking around shouting: "I just had sex with a hooker!", would be pretty damn immersion breaking.
Tyrion (The dwarf) is shown having sex with hookers, because that's a huge part of his character. He's a dwarf and because of a bad event in his life, he thinks that women would never want to have sex with him, if it wasn't for money. Plus the fact that jaime walks in with even more hookers, shows that these two brother's actually like each other, which is also important to the story.
You can see Viserys grabbing his sister's breasts, because the viewer has to see how sick Viserys is and how much he mistreats his sister. And NO it would not be as effective if he wouldn't undress his sister.
You can also see Theon having sex a few times, because to understand his actions, you have to understand how he feels superior, but since he doesn't really has any power, he gets his confidence by seducing and dominating women.
There's like half a dozen houses in TV series alone, with dozens of 'main' or POV characters and hundreds of named characters and thousands of very different folks with different outlooks on life, death and everything.
If everyone was to win, then... no, hold, wait. It's just not feasible or possible for everyone to win. According to your line of thinking, we'd skip holding contests altogether and everyone would receive gold medals in the mail on a regular basis, just so everybody wins.
If you stop reading or stop watching because not everything is made of pink ponies, well, I strongly suggest you get rich, buy yourself an army and a country and start having things your way all the way.
I'm so looking forward to Cersei getting dun good. I'm also interested in finding out what the future holds for fireproof, dragon-riding female Che Guevara Danaerys, because it's only due to the TV series and me actually going back to the books that I found out that she really, really annoys me. Not on Cersei or Joffrey levels, mind you, but boy does that good guy slave-freeing girl put the misanthropy in me.
If everyone was to win, then... no, hold, wait. It's just not feasible or possible for everyone to win. According to your line of thinking, we'd skip holding contests altogether and everyone would receive gold medals in the mail on a regular basis, just so everybody wins.
If you stop reading or stop watching because not everything is made of pink ponies, well, I strongly suggest you get rich, buy yourself an army and a country and start having things your way all the way.
I'm so looking forward to Cersei getting dun good. I'm also interested in finding out what the future holds for fireproof, dragon-riding female Che Guevara Danaerys, because it's only due to the TV series and me actually going back to the books that I found out that she really, really annoys me. Not on Cersei or Joffrey levels, mind you, but boy does that good guy slave-freeing girl put the misanthropy in me.
From what I've gathered, you hate the show because its sad or whatever. Game of thrones lost me too, but for different reasons. Most of the major characters seem to want the throne for themselves and I can't think of a single reason why they should have it. Everyone is motivated by greed and that's uninteresting. Sure, the plot is unpredictable, I can't tell you whats going to happen next, but the story takes so many turns that they become meaningless. Its like when the playable character in a modern warfare game dies. And that's bad writing.
Also, if I really have to be petty, the dialog is boring. Everything the characters say is an announcement with no style. The whiny voices of the actors annoy me, the only guy with a cool voice(the commander of the night watch) died . The british accents stopped adding to the atmosphere a long time ago. Most of the nude scenes serve only to get some pervy dipshits to watch the show.
At the end I would recommend The Wire or Deadwood over Game Of Thrones.
Also, if I really have to be petty, the dialog is boring. Everything the characters say is an announcement with no style. The whiny voices of the actors annoy me, the only guy with a cool voice(the commander of the night watch) died . The british accents stopped adding to the atmosphere a long time ago. Most of the nude scenes serve only to get some pervy dipshits to watch the show.
At the end I would recommend The Wire or Deadwood over Game Of Thrones.
I think in scenes were two main characters are having sex its perfectly acceptable. Its a program for adults, sure beats the fade to black as he kisses her or whatever. Personally i don't view it as fan service, but even if it was, there is nothing to be embarrassed about when you see someone naked.Legion said:
Well there's that, and also the fact that sex is part of human nature. It's one of our primary motivations in life. To remove sexuality from a character would be to remove part of what makes them human.Timmey said:
There's something very compelling about Westeros. I usually hate grimdark universes and stories but there's something about this one that just keeps me coming back. I think it is because it reflects life in the way that all the suffering and darkness makes the moments of joy and positivity all the more sweet.
Actually, it's established that Baelish considers his brothels a business and doesn't do anything with his workers since he's only ever loved Catelyn and her sister (who he's now being wed to),omega 616 said:
plus its not like he had to sell them off once he left KL, he'll still have money pouring in from them.
btw this season has seen a LARGE decrease in nudity. In fact as of episode 2 no scenes like you mention seem to stick out in my head...
I have a feeling Game of Thrones is a lot of people's first HBO Drama series because I really can't think of any other HBO drama show that doesn't have moments like The Red Wedding. I mean you want dark, the 5th season of The Wire features the fall of so many characters you've grown to like it's unbelievable, and that's after the deaths of quite a few characters that you grow attached to. I can definitely empathize with people's abandonment of the show, TV is my leisure time and I don't always want to feel like there's no hope left at the end of each episode, but at least next season there's another wedding that I think will prove quite cathartic for viewers.
Sorry, but I watched The Newsroom and I can assure you that there wasn't a Red Wedding there.... ok it was a tame show by HBO standards but still!LoathsomePete said:
Speaking from my personal perspective, it doesn't bother me if it works within the context of the scene and the story. For example the sex scene in Season 1 involving Jamie and Cersei was relevant to the plot. Catelyn Stark being unabashed at being naked in front of the Meister as he had seen her give birth worked within the context.Timmey said:
It's the scenes involving Theon screwing random girls, or the brothel girls having sex that were completely made up for the television show that irked me, as those ones did feel very pointless. Although I doubt they'd have made me so annoyed if they hadn't cut out some scenes from the book that I really wish that they had included. Adding in sex scenes while cutting (what I consider to be) vital character development annoys me a fair bit. But that's just a pet peeve of mine when it comes to adaptations, as I really hate it when they cut scenes out while making new ( seemingly pointless) ones up.
Even a bit of fan service doesn't bother me entirely, as long as it doesn't feel obviously contrived.
Thank you, I was sat here for quite some time trying to explain it a different way but I suck at explaining stuff.Legion said:
Who said I hate naked people? I'm fine with naked people, be they dudes or lasses.Amaror said:
Sorry for believing it is fan service and for having an opposing opinion to yours.
I don't think I said people only watch it for the blood and titties.
I just don't to watch soft core porn with a medieval setting and detailed plot, again sorry for having an opposing opinion.
None of that can be shown any other way, it has to be with blatant sexual scenes? Sounds like iffy writing.
Now to ask you a question, why so aggressive? What do you mean "you people"?
Like I said I don't know if he sold it, it burnt down, he still has it or what ... I have only watched half an episode, some child king telling nude women to hit each other and some woman set a dude on fire then give an inspiring speech to an army of ex-slaves (or something).Josh12345 said:
I don't watch Game of Thrones, nor can I usually on account of time and shitty internet.
That said, I read the books so I'm guessing the episode was about the Red Wedding.
(reading the rest of the topic, it appears this is the case)
The thing about the Red Wedding: This is the "crucible" moment in the series.
If you can endure through it, you will be rewarded with how shit gets even more interesting right after.
It is literally, the darkest hour in the books to date. Not to say everyone will be shitting sunshine (far from it), but it's a major game-changer in Westeros and it's setting up essentially the collapse of the Iron Throne (presumably so Daeynarys can eventually take it later; last I read, they hadn't gotten that far).
That said, I read the books so I'm guessing the episode was about the Red Wedding.
(reading the rest of the topic, it appears this is the case)
The thing about the Red Wedding: This is the "crucible" moment in the series.
If you can endure through it, you will be rewarded with how shit gets even more interesting right after.
It is literally, the darkest hour in the books to date. Not to say everyone will be shitting sunshine (far from it), but it's a major game-changer in Westeros and it's setting up essentially the collapse of the Iron Throne (presumably so Daeynarys can eventually take it later; last I read, they hadn't gotten that far).