Gamers Without Internet Can Stick With Xbox 360, Says Microsoft

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Jadak

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SpunkeyMonkey said:
Ahh, so Microsoft have decided that "shoddy/no internet people are not going to be their target demographic." Just like they have decided that people who don't want DRM aren't their demographic either (easily obtainable figures from Xbox Live downloads). Nor those who want to pay a reasonable price for a console either (again easily obtainable figures from sales of past consoles at various prices).

It's all part of a perfect plan they are executing, silly me lol

Either that, or someone could have just made a few cock ups. Just because they are a big company, doesn't meant they don't make mistakes, and stats can easily be part of that.

Judging by their overall actions recently, I really don't think it's too far fetched to assume that someone's not doing their job right........remember........this thread is about a statement they've released which totally ignores that any other console brands exist. They're a bit blinkered to say the least and will see what they want, from stats, situations or otherwise.
Perfect? No. The console has plenty of problems ahead of it, but I am of the opinion that they have more to do with original cause for protest regarding the first announcment and the focus on media with distinctive lack of games. Along with the high price point and required(?)/bundled Kinect, sure, I question the consoles appeal. The kinect wouldn't even be a problem (if not exactly a benefit for someone who doesn't desire it), but given the problem of price, it's inclusion is likely the cause.

So, no. Not perfect, but regarding the always online / DRM? I really don't see it as a real issue, especially considering that as far as I can tell 'always online' is really only a once a day check-in. While annoying in principle that is something I could manage even in my rural growing up on a farm in the middle of nowhere days.

But as I was saying, while statistics put the population with poor/no internet suprisingly high, those people do not coorespond with Microsofts target market, which is the xbox live subscribing (46 million users as of April), online player that does have decent internet, and will more than likely never even notice these issues in practice.

The console may have plenty of issues ahead of it, but as far as this internet-requiring business goes, the biggest hurdle is bad press. All things considered, I think that once released, (barring any RROD level incidents) and out in the public for a while, these sorts of protests will die off faced with reality and the console will do just fine (or if it doesn't, price and lack of games will be the problem, little else).

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In addition, undecided about the used game thing. To begin, there's the likely point that simply selling the console does not make MS money, might even be at a loss. They rely on XBL, DLC, and game sales for profit.

So, on the face of the matter, losing the 'used game player' market makes no different to them. They wouldn't want to sell to those people anyways. And people who only buy new aren't going to be affected anyways.

Really then, the 'at risk' market is people who do buy new and used, and may be swayed away by the lack of the latter option, thus costing ms the portion of games they do buy new. Also, those who want to share games with friends.

Now, I have no idea what those numbers would be. I've bought both used and new games, but I'm not sure I could say that not having the option to get used would sway me from buying a console if it had titles I wanted to play. Overall, I'd expect that at most, it will be a deciding factor for people who are really on the fence between this and a PS4. So a point for Sony, sure, but likely not a critical blow for MS.

Most of the same logic applies to sharing games. But frankly, it's been a long time since I've bothered sharing console games with friends anyways. No idea how important that is to most people, but the people who will hate it the most are people who aren't buying the games anyways.
 

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Jadak said:
SpunkeyMonkey said:
Ahh, so Microsoft have decided that "shoddy/no internet people are not going to be their target demographic." Just like they have decided that people who don't want DRM aren't their demographic either (easily obtainable figures from Xbox Live downloads). Nor those who want to pay a reasonable price for a console either (again easily obtainable figures from sales of past consoles at various prices).

It's all part of a perfect plan they are executing, silly me lol

Either that, or someone could have just made a few cock ups. Just because they are a big company, doesn't meant they don't make mistakes, and stats can easily be part of that.

Judging by their overall actions recently, I really don't think it's too far fetched to assume that someone's not doing their job right........remember........this thread is about a statement they've released which totally ignores that any other console brands exist. They're a bit blinkered to say the least and will see what they want, from stats, situations or otherwise.
Perfect? No. The console has plenty of problems ahead of it, but I am of the opinion that they have more to do with original cause for protest regarding the first announcment and the focus on media with distinctive lack of games. Along with the high price point and required(?)/bundled Kinect, sure, I question the consoles appeal. The kinect wouldn't even be a problem (if not exactly a benefit for someone who doesn't desire it), but given the problem of price, it's inclusion is likely the cause.

So, no. Not perfect, but regarding the always online / DRM? I really don't see it as a real issue, especially considering that as far as I can tell 'always online' is really only a once a day check-in. While annoying in principle that is something I could manage even in my rural growing up on a farm in the middle of nowhere days.

But as I was saying, while statistics put the population with poor/no internet suprisingly high, those people do not coorespond with Microsofts target market, which is the xbox live subscribing (46 million users as of April), online player that does have decent internet, and will more than likely never even notice these issues in practice.

The console may have plenty of issues ahead of it, but as far as this internet-requiring business goes, the biggest hurdle is bad press. All things considered, I think that once released, (barring any RROD level incidents) and out in the public for a while, these sorts of protests will die off faced with reality and the console will do just fine (or if it doesn't, price and lack of games will be the problem, little else).
Personally, it's not about the "incovenience" of 24- hour checks. I have perfect internet connection here in Switzerland, so I wouldn't have any trouble getting checked. But as a principle, this is asinine. You're asked to tolerate something, which limits your control over the console for no benefit to you. Moreover, if there's something with Microsoft services, you're out of control over the situation.

Once again, I don't have a problem with passing the checks, but the sheer thought of having them, of Microsoft controlling the thing I spent 500 Euro on is unacceptable. And it's worth for me more than Ryze and Quantum Break. (NB. All that TV stuff is not working here in Europe so we really have no added value over PS4 on that front)
 

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I was planning on sticking with the 360 anyway. My worry is a few years after the Xbox-One comes out they'll just decide to shut down the 360 servers. Just send out a mass email saying how grateful they are for all the support the 360 got and what a wonderful console it was and how lucky they are and all the happy corporate crap. And then shut 'em down.
 

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Loved this video earlier!


Not too sure about the NSA conspiracy theories in the comments section but hey I was there for the video and usually stick clear of the most intelligent area of YouTube.
 

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Okay I seriously have to know, do the Microsoft executives have some kind of deep seated self destructive inferiority complex? Are they intentionally trying to sabotage themselves? Do they WANT to fail?
I mean they have pretty much just openly admitted that people with issues should not buy their system and this is terrible as a business strategy. If your customer base is being limited by your tech, you find a way to fix it so it can still be sold to them, you don't just give up like that.
 

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Perfect.
Just perfect.

EDIT: I was honestly going to buy both consoles.
Because I don't really care all that much about the online thing.


But the FACT the Microsoft has the balls to say this.

Well they just lost my 500 dollars.
 

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Microsoft really needs to shut this Mattrick guy up and fast. If the Xbox one fail his head will be the one on the pike and he'll be run on a rail out the door.

As for the news itself when i first heard it i had no words really. I mean how do you get that far up the company ladder when you don't know how to deliver a bs noncommittal answer on the spot? You don't tell someone to buy something else when you're trying to sell a product even if you are directing them to your own stuff. Mattrick needs to go to the seminars that EA execs go to to learn how to bs and lie properly.
 

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Microsoft's obviously company-wide attitude would make some kind of sense, while still being quite dickish, if there was a strong market leading demand for their products.
But, there really isn't a demand. In today's market, they're coming off of the disappointing launch of Windows Phone, the disappointing launch of Windows 8 and the disappointing launch of their Surface tablets. While still churning out a healthy profit, they're losing ground in every market they're in.

Microsoft needs to sit down, think about why people should need the Xbone, and create a clear message that justifies their intrusive DRM, anti-consumer practices and why they feel that the market needs to change this way - and why it benefits their customers.
So far, they've completely and utterly failed to explain why anyone - anyone at all - should buy this device at it's high price point.

Having said that, I honestly suspect that this "hard line" approach - this "haters gonna hate" attitude - is the companies stance because, at the end of the day, there really isn't any benefits to the customer over the current system. It's all about them and their partners, and it's painfully obvious that they've got nothing good to say.
Cancelling virtually every post-E3 conference interview screams this, to me at least.

I still say that Microsoft honestly believed that the Kinect-powered TV features would be enough. That, even if a backlash similar to Diablo III formed, the applause of those wanting "Minority Report TV" would drown them out.

I can't wait to see their responses when the Xbone is dead by the end of the year.

Captcha: fire and brimstone.
 

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Something is in the water at Microsoft, something causing them to make very, very stupid decisions. I've said it before I'll say it again. If they have any sense then they will backpedal so hard before release.

All I know is Sony are laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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I have great internet, but I hate the idea of my console turning into a brick when the servers are down. I'll stick to my 360 for now, but I'll eventually be upgrading to the PS4. My Xbox Live expired a couple days ago, and if GTA5 wasn't around the corner, I'd likely never renew it again. My friends and I play over system-link most of the time, anyway.
 

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Wow... just wow. I'd love to Microsoft - I'd love to not bother buying your console. I wasn't even considering it to begin with but now that you're telling me not to, then that's a definite no-go! Thanks for practically deciding for me to get something else instead.
 

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Why yes, why yes. I can stick with an XBOX 360. I already have one, though, so I don't need to buy another.

I am, on the other hand, Microsoft, interested, in buying a PlayStation 4. I don't think that you want that.
Microsoft act as if I have to choose between old hardware and an XBOX One. I don't. I have a PlayStation 4 waiting for me.

They said "XBOX 360", but they basically just handed the game to their competitors. This isn't market-wise as all. They completely and utterly lack any apology for their decision. And they aren't in a position to do that. They're basically giving us a "we made our decision and that's final, stance". Well we, customers, too, have made our decision. And by our decision the XBOX One isn't going to sell. Their final, inarguable decision, is to fail this generation.
 

Kyber

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The grave Microsoft is digging for the Xbox One is so deep it's soon going to hit the center of the earth.