I would love it. It would push a hell of a lot of gamers back to PC and we might get a nice boost to the PC games industry.zehydra said:
GameStop Warns Against Anti-Used Game Technology
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Steam only works because it is cheap.Pyrian said:
Console devs won't do that kind of price stripping to get sales. They look for scape goats, not sales.
It's been on sale for much less than that at least once a month since release >.>...sometimes multiple times.Crono1973 said:
I could have never resold games at the same price I save on steam sales. There is no market where people are willing to buy my game off me for 75%-85% the cost of new without dealing with ebay or local trades with people.Crono1973 said:
Its much more convenient to just get it 75% off already and not >need< to trade it in just to afford my next game.
That's pretty much the truth of it. Steam isn't competitive just because of all its bells and whistles. It's competitive because it COMPETES in the pricing market.theultimateend said:
Sure Skyrim is still going for $60, but that behemoth has been perhaps the most successful single player game in... forever. It's STILL selling well. I am certain Steam would lower the price if people would just stop buying it for a moment.
Don't TELL them, let Microsoft make its own mistakes. They're big boys, and besides...might take a good example for publishers and manufacturers alike.
What is your point then? The console developer does something you don't like so you're going to throw a tantrum and go to their competitor who either has that same "feature" or is sure as hell going to include it in the next OS patch (which you will need to install before going online), leaving you stuck with your 2nd choice of console.itchcrotch said:
Always on DRM is a dick move, the world saw how well that worked with the Diablo 3 launch. No service provider and no online server ever has 100% uptime so we can predict that at some point gamers will be screwed either because their ISP is broken, their modem/router has crapped itself or MS/Sony's server aren't accepting connections. Thats a point.
Blocking used games... suck it up, save the extra $10 and buy the game new, you're not saving that much and if you have to buy an online pass then the $10 you "saved" buying pre-owned just got spent on the pass and you didn't even get to enjoy the new game smell. No-ones say you have to buy full price on launch day, but second hand games just aren't cheap enough to be worth it, personally I'd perfer the publisher/developeer got the money anyway... if its a good game maybe then they can make a decent sequal (it hasn't happened in recent memory but a guy can hope)
The point, which you missed, is that he knows how to shift the economy and make a statement. You lead by example so that others might learn to follow. You don't throw good money after bad. You influence the market towards good. What, do you think companies have really taken a loss because 'the market isn't strong'? Hah. Please, don't talk to us of tantrums. That was rude and the comment attached aggressively-stanced supposition. Please do not do that again.MagunBFP said:
Indeed, the points you make are definitely valid, but you're inferring that they are the points he was making. Going with the competitor because of issues that are of no relevance to you, he said he doesn't buy used games and his internet connection is stable, doesn't actually fall under throwing good money after bad or influencing the market towards "good". If these new features don't impact you, then how exactly are they bad?FalloutJack said:
I can't comment as to profits/losses of companies because I don't know, I just like good games and it doesn't matter much to me who makes then. What I do know is that when I used to go into stores and buy a new game the sales person would, most of the time, try to sell me a second-hand version instead. Which is just about the retailer getting all the money for the used game instead of anyone else, so by logical extension of this if people are convinced to save $5-$10 dollars then the publisher has lost any profit from the sale.
As for my comment about tantrums, yes it was condescending but gettng worked up about something that, by his own admission, isn't going to affect him is pretty much a tantrum.
You don't have to pay to connect your Xbox to the Internet, they don't charge you anything for the free Silver account and they even provide the ethernet cable for free.PsychoChick966 said:
All you have to do is connect the supplied ethernet cable to your modem/router and your Xbox is connect to the Internet, always online and without costing you a penny (other than what you already pay for your Internet access).
You may have to pay to maintain a Gold subscription which mainly grants you access to multiplayer, but to just be connected to Xbox Live, to download patches and updates for your games and download DLC, demos and other Marketplace content, and more importantly, to fulfil the rumoured "always online" condition of the Nextbox, all you have to do is connect the supplied cable to your Internet source.
Holy Fucking Shit!!! I hope you're wrong. There would be no words to describe my disgust.Sidney Buit said:
OT: And as for this, I doubt it will work. Call me crazy, but every one has limit and I know some Xbox fans this will instantly turn off. I use rentals for demo's, and I know many other people that do the same.
Why should we all be on the same side on this issue? I personally think if you can't afford to play game X, don't play game X. Play something else. There's plenty of excellent free stuff out there. Most of my gaming collection has always consisted of freeware, a discount title now and again, and the occasional new purchase.PsychoChick966 said:
As for not losing out on sales to people who can't afford, that's not the issue. It's the issue of people who can afford the price of a new game, who instead take the used copy at Gamestop on the cheap, after actually wanting a new copy of the game in the first place.
Well then we're going to hit a Video Game Crash. It's an inevitable consequence of unmetered greed, I guess.
If they go through with this then they will see a 25% MINIMUM contraction on the gaming market. I know what they're thinking. "It's just the Used game market it won't affect the industry." But they're wrong. Any economist would tell you that this is a horrible idea. Explaining the finer points of something like Used Car Sales seems to be above the heads of the Greedy.
Embrace the crash.
If they go through with this then they will see a 25% MINIMUM contraction on the gaming market. I know what they're thinking. "It's just the Used game market it won't affect the industry." But they're wrong. Any economist would tell you that this is a horrible idea. Explaining the finer points of something like Used Car Sales seems to be above the heads of the Greedy.
Embrace the crash.
Well no, they're not wrong.DVS BSTrD said:
However, this is Gamestop and we're not suppose to agree with Gamestop... even if they are right.
oh gamestop you goofy transparent bastards. im in favor of only being able to play new games. i do most of my gaming through steam and i obviously cant buy used games through there. buying used games wasnt even an option when i had nes, genesis, snes, n64, and gamecube (not in my area anyway) and that didnt stop me from gaming. i dont need to own every single game i have the slightest interest in, im fine with saving my money for the games i really want. call developers greedy if you want, for wanting to get a profit from every person who plays their game, but i like supporting developers. even if this bad publicity stops sony and microsoft from implementing this, gamestop needs to prepare for the fact that gaming is eventually going to be digital. it probably wont be for quite a while but its going to happen and if they want to stay afloat, they are going to need to find a way to become less dependent on used games
There's quite a few problems with that though with a few being:lithium.jelly said:
People who already have consoles and are happy still using them.
People who don't know how to build a PC let alone know how to fix certain games (I wouldn't pull the whole "look up forums excuse).
People who don't want to keep shelling out money for new parts time and time again (especially if one part were to fuck up or break down).
People who loved the exclusives that aren't on PC.
People who can't play PC games with a gamepad and aren't great at using K+M (Yes there are still games out there than can be K+M only).
People that can't afford say a new GPU to keep up with the latest in gaming because of irl situations such as bills and the like.
People with really shitty internet connections and other people who don't like digitally downloading their games (I for one don't like waiting half a day if not more for my digital game downloads and my connection is the highest there is on the Isle of Man).
And finally people who just flat out don't like PC gaming.
That and I know most of the time people want others to ditch consoles and join the "master race" for that nice ego stroke otherwise they'd leave others to their own complete choice of platform without telling them their's is shit to prove a point.
As for myself I'm most likely going to stick with the 360,Wii U and a little of the PC seeing as how I can't afford new parts as much as I am not equipped with the greatest of common knowledge of building a godlike one either and dislike mostly using K+M for my games unless it's Sim or RTS.
Captcha; Wild West, it sure feels like it when I'm here.
As a last note with all those points up there I know will get the usual excuses, but that does not mean they aren't any less real of a situation for many already.
What are you talking about? There are still PS3s out there that can play PS2 games, its just the new ones that can't do it anymore since they took out that functionality to make them cheaper. The only reason the PS3 could play them in the first place was because they pretty much had another additional PS2 chip in them.FoolKiller said:
What was REAL bullshit was that XBOX 360s were compatible with only a select few XBOX games.
