Gaming Advocacy Group Reports Black Ops to UK Government

[LavaLampBamboo]

I'm getting a bit annoyed with Gamer's Voice. I mean I get what they are going for but I don't think you can accuse them of "profiteering" if the game is a bit blorched on the PS3. Could it be the PC and PS3s fault? I'm genuinely asking here I don't know.

But back to my point; Gamer's Voice claim to be speaking up for the UK Game Industry, but when asked if they would fight for tax breaks in the UK, and said that the consumer didn't care where the games were coming from. I'm paraphrasing but they seem to just be complaining about some things. Some times I think the consumer has to suck it up and deal with it.

 

[VelvetHorror]

should I say it?

yes, I should.


YOU bought a game.

If the game is not up to expectations of what YOU think it is, by all means sell it.


this is like someone buying a shit sandwich and complaining that their shit has corn in it.


edit: I mean really, if a game isnt good then get rid of it and voice why you got rid of it, example, Halo Reach because it was just Halo 3 with jetpacks.

That is not a good comparison, with the shit sandwich analogy.

This is a better one: A new brand of car is to come out in half a year that will be easily available for purchase by people in the US, Canada, and Britain. It advertises a lot of special features like 4 wheel drive, OnStar, Rear View Camera, and a built in navigation unit. When the car does come out, tons of people from the US, Canada, and Britain buy the product as soon as it comes out in all the hype. However, people in Canada and Britain start to notice that the navigation unit only has certain places mapped out and back roads are not in the system. The 4 wheel drive works, but the car has barely any torque that renders off roading nearly impossible.

The US version of the car works much better. Better torque and the navigation unit has most of the US mapped out. The reason why the US version of the car works a lot better is the company is based in the US and made the US version before altering it slightly for Canadian and Britain customers. However, what they should have done, was take as much effort in the foreign exports as they did with the domestic products.

Now say that you are a Canadian customer who has bought this defective car whose features did not live up to what it was advertised to be. You paid 30K for this car and if you sell it now, you'll only be able to get maybe 22K. You've lost 8k buying a product that falsely advertised its features and by no means lived up to your expectations. Should you just be like "well, it was my fault. I bought it. I'll just sell it." or should you hold the company accountable for falsely advertising the car and wasting your time and money?

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

I can see this possibly being a double-edged sword.

Developers really should get dinged for releasing excessively buggy products.

However, if the consequences are too harsh, we'll see fewer titles on multiple platforms, and development time may increase(Valve time anyone?) for the extra QA required. (which may also consequently jack up the price of the game)

Some of this could be fixed by playable demos and beta's before release.

 

[zehydra]

this is bull. The government should have no intervention on the quality of any kind of entertainment. If it was buggy, then you should give it a bad review, not demand compensation from the company!

 

[lacktheknack]

It's difficult to say these ports have "failed as entertainment".

However, there's a much simpler solution to Activision being jerks: QUIT BUYING THEIR GAMES.

Oh, wait. Of course not. That would require some restraint.

 

[zehydra]

should I say it?

yes, I should.


YOU bought a game.

If the game is not up to expectations of what YOU think it is, by all means sell it.


this is like someone buying a shit sandwich and complaining that their shit has corn in it.


edit: I mean really, if a game isnt good then get rid of it and voice why you got rid of it, example, Halo Reach because it was just Halo 3 with jetpacks.

That is not a good comparison, with the shit sandwich analogy.

This is a better one: A new brand of car is to come out in half a year that will be easily available for purchase by people in the US, Canada, and Britain. It advertises a lot of special features like 4 wheel drive, OnStar, Rear View Camera, and a built in navigation unit. When the car does come out, tons of people from the US, Canada, and Britain buy the product as soon as it comes out in all the hype. However, people in Canada and Britain start to notice that the navigation unit only has certain places mapped out and back roads are not in the system. The 4 wheel drive works, but the car has barely any torque that renders off roading nearly impossible.

The US version of the car works much better. Better torque and the navigation unit has most of the US mapped out. The reason why the US version of the car works a lot better is the company is based in the US and made the US version before altering it slightly for Canadian and Britain customers. However, what they should have done, was take as much effort in the foreign exports as they did with the domestic products.

Now say that you are a Canadian customer who has bought this defective car whose features did not live up to what it was advertised to be. You paid 30K for this car and if you sell it now, you'll only be able to get maybe 22K. You've lost 8k buying a product that falsely advertised its features and by no means lived up to your expectations. Should you just be like "well, it was my fault. I bought it. I'll just sell it." or should you hold the company accountable for falsely advertising the car and wasting your time and money?

I'm not sure that the presence of these bugs in CoD indicates that you didn't buy what was advertised.

 

[lacktheknack]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

EDIT: though it is a crying shame that they would release "broken" versions of the game. you do realize microsoft paid good money for their advertising of the game as being playable "better" on the 360, right? well, still. companies shouldnt release broken products. BAD ACTIVISION!

So, are you gonna buy the 360 for me then? I can't afford it.

Your second point is better: if it's broken on the other platforms, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

 

[Thedayrecker]

I have it on the PS3, and the only problems I noticed was occasional lag, and poor hit detection (due to said lag)

 

[Azaraxzealot]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

EDIT: though it is a crying shame that they would release "broken" versions of the game. you do realize microsoft paid good money for their advertising of the game as being playable "better" on the 360, right? well, still. companies shouldnt release broken products. BAD ACTIVISION!

So, are you gonna buy the 360 for me then? I can't afford it.

Your second point is better: if it's broken on the other platforms, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

i think if anyone can afford to buy 6 new games in a year they can afford a new system. me? i chose to buy 2 xboxes instead of a PS3

 

[-Ulven-]

Won't this cripple gaming industry... giving us less titles (some might be better) but also dumbing things down to avoid bugs.

So we will boil down to one winning formula of games... bah.

 

[lacktheknack]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

EDIT: though it is a crying shame that they would release "broken" versions of the game. you do realize microsoft paid good money for their advertising of the game as being playable "better" on the 360, right? well, still. companies shouldnt release broken products. BAD ACTIVISION!

So, are you gonna buy the 360 for me then? I can't afford it.

Your second point is better: if it's broken on the other platforms, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

i think if anyone can afford to buy 6 new games in a year they can afford a new system. me? i chose to buy 2 xboxes instead of a PS3

Assumptions, assumptions. As I stated in another thread, I bought four games last year, all on sale, after a lot of stressing about it, for my PC that I built with my massive amount of pocket change before becoming a broke University student.

I don't have any console whatsoever except an old PS1 that I don't use.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

should I say it?

yes, I should.


YOU bought a game.

If the game is not up to expectations of what YOU think it is, by all means sell it.


this is like someone buying a shit sandwich and complaining that their shit has corn in it.


edit: I mean really, if a game isnt good then get rid of it and voice why you got rid of it, example, Halo Reach because it was just Halo 3 with jetpacks.

This is not about the game being good this about the gaming being BROKEN and not conforming to preset regulations on quality control. I can't speak for PS3 users but I can say on the PC no it doesn't conform to being a fully working game. Some of the bugs in it are atrocious. The size of Activision's pockets and the amount of people they should have should be able to fix these game crippling bugs in 3 months.

 

[lacktheknack]

Won't this cripple gaming industry... giving us less titles (some might be better) but also dumbing things down to avoid bugs.

So we will boil down to one winning formula of games... bah.

How dare we ask for playable games.

The point where someone can literally throw out the game in disgust after being glitched out of a life/an incompleteable objective/stuck in walls and requires a restart/save corruption, then you clearly need an extra month on bug fixing.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

EDIT: though it is a crying shame that they would release "broken" versions of the game. you do realize microsoft paid good money for their advertising of the game as being playable "better" on the 360, right? well, still. companies shouldnt release broken products. BAD ACTIVISION!

So, are you gonna buy the 360 for me then? I can't afford it.

Your second point is better: if it's broken on the other platforms, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

i think if anyone can afford to buy 6 new games in a year they can afford a new system. me? i chose to buy 2 xboxes instead of a PS3

Assumptions, assumptions. As I stated in another thread, I bought four games last year, all on sale, after a lot of stressing about it, for my PC that I built with my massive amount of pocket change before becoming a broke University student.

I don't have any console whatsoever except an old PS1 that I don't use.

well then too bad. you knew the risks of getting into PC gaming, just have to go with it until Activision or the community fixes it then. sorry :/ *shrugs*

 

[Tron-tonian]

Not having read the comments to date, I would say power to them. The fact that Activision put out a much more stable version for the 360 should definitely factor into this. If all 3 were equally buggy, it could be at least claimed that they did inadequate QA. As it is, they just end up looking like they dumped shovelware on their PS3 and PC users.

 

[lacktheknack]

just get it on the 360 and stop complaining. jeez. its not that hard.

EDIT: though it is a crying shame that they would release "broken" versions of the game. you do realize microsoft paid good money for their advertising of the game as being playable "better" on the 360, right? well, still. companies shouldnt release broken products. BAD ACTIVISION!

So, are you gonna buy the 360 for me then? I can't afford it.

Your second point is better: if it's broken on the other platforms, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

i think if anyone can afford to buy 6 new games in a year they can afford a new system. me? i chose to buy 2 xboxes instead of a PS3

Assumptions, assumptions. As I stated in another thread, I bought four games last year, all on sale, after a lot of stressing about it, for my PC that I built with my massive amount of pocket change before becoming a broke University student.

I don't have any console whatsoever except an old PS1 that I don't use.

well then too bad. you knew the risks of getting into PC gaming, just have to go with it until Activision or the community fixes it then. sorry :/ *shrugs*

Nope, I don't. I never bought BlOps for this very reason.

And the risks of PC gaming, such as cheaper games. I would have only bought TWO games last year if I had a console, and neither one of them would have been Civilization V.

Publishers flipping you the middle finger shouldn't be considered a platform risk. It should be an invitation to flip both of yours back.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Is it really this broken? Am I just lucking out by not hitting any bugs? Sure, I got dropped from a match every now and then, but I got dropped from Modern Warfare 2 as well and no one complained about that. You want to know what's annoying about this game?
Running from a zombie hoard and suddenly backing into a single piece of wood that doesn't go above your ankles, but suddenly stops you from moving. Zombies start screaming, "FREE MEAL!!"

 

[VelvetHorror]

should I say it?

yes, I should.


YOU bought a game.

If the game is not up to expectations of what YOU think it is, by all means sell it.


this is like someone buying a shit sandwich and complaining that their shit has corn in it.


edit: I mean really, if a game isnt good then get rid of it and voice why you got rid of it, example, Halo Reach because it was just Halo 3 with jetpacks.

That is not a good comparison, with the shit sandwich analogy.

This is a better one: A new brand of car is to come out in half a year that will be easily available for purchase by people in the US, Canada, and Britain. It advertises a lot of special features like 4 wheel drive, OnStar, Rear View Camera, and a built in navigation unit. When the car does come out, tons of people from the US, Canada, and Britain buy the product as soon as it comes out in all the hype. However, people in Canada and Britain start to notice that the navigation unit only has certain places mapped out and back roads are not in the system. The 4 wheel drive works, but the car has barely any torque that renders off roading nearly impossible.

The US version of the car works much better. Better torque and the navigation unit has most of the US mapped out. The reason why the US version of the car works a lot better is the company is based in the US and made the US version before altering it slightly for Canadian and Britain customers. However, what they should have done, was take as much effort in the foreign exports as they did with the domestic products.

Now say that you are a Canadian customer who has bought this defective car whose features did not live up to what it was advertised to be. You paid 30K for this car and if you sell it now, you'll only be able to get maybe 22K. You've lost 8k buying a product that falsely advertised its features and by no means lived up to your expectations. Should you just be like "well, it was my fault. I bought it. I'll just sell it." or should you hold the company accountable for falsely advertising the car and wasting your time and money?

I'm not sure that the presence of these bugs in CoD indicates that you didn't buy what was advertised.

In the example I gave, you did get all of the features advertised in the car, but there are severe problems with these features that did not live up to what the advertisements made the features out to be. You got a navigational unit, but it did not work correctly in your country of origin. You got 4 wheel drive, but not enough torque to make using 4 wheel drive of any use.

With Black Ops at least for PS3, you got multiplayer, as stated on the case of the game. However, the horrible service for that multiplayer can make playing it nigh impossible for a lot of people. Constant mid game disconnects, disconnecting from lobbies, etc. So yes, people got Black Ops multiplayer but if they got it for PS3, it is very hard and frustrating to get multiplayer to work. Customers should not have to put up with this, and there should be something done, and soon.

 

[Dogstile]

so bugs are a crime now? what the hell?

Selling something that doesn't work is a crime, same as it's always been.

Just because its digital doesn't mean it's changed. If I was sold a washing machine that locked up every other time I used it, i'd be pissed too.