Gay Scene Cut From UK Torchwood

[Evil Top Hat]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

So you're assuming that all heterosexual males would be offended by the scene simply because the characters involved are gay?

I don't care if people would complain, it's disgusting that they give in to the pressures of homophobes. Who cares if they kick up a fuss? People will never stop being entitled and childish if people keep allowing them to be.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

They removed the gay bit from Toshwood? Is there anything left?

 

[GraveeKing]

Well done BBC, you just lost yourself my view and probably a hell of a lot of others. I'll just find the full version and watch that. No point watching it on my own TV when I can get a full episode online AND early eh? Screw loyalty to them if they're going to do this kind of crap.
And what was that about children?! It's meant to be a BIT mature, there's violence etc, but come on it's not like any kids who bother to watch it care these days!
Really I thought we'd got over these petty 'censorship' shenanigans.

 

[Doitpow]

This is a little sad,

but what really annoyed me was

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YOUR...DAMN...AVATAR...EVERY...DAMN..TIME
I just try to get that fly off my screen, everytime. Then I see your username and I'm like...
*raises fist to the sky
"ICKORUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and I huff and I puff....then I calm down pretty quick and continue to browse the escapist, and I find a nother interesting thread and I scroll down, and then a fly lands on my screen and so I try to brush it off and it won't budge, and then I see your username and I'm like...
*raises fist to the sky
"ICKORUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and I huff and I puff....then I calm down pretty quick and continue to browse the escapist, and I find a nother interesting thread and I scroll down, and then a fly lands on my screen and so I try to brush it off and it won't budge, and then I see your username and I'm like...
*raises fist to the sky
"ICKORUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and I huff and I puff....then I calm down pretty quick and continue to browse the escapist, and I find a nother interesting thread and I scroll down, and then a fly lands on my screen and so I try to brush it off and it won't budge, and then I see your username and I...just...

cry myslelf to sleep


stop haunting me Ickorus

 

[Karma168]

You kinda misread the article. it's not the fact that it's a gay scene, it's that it's too sexually explicit for what the BBC considers a show for teenagers/young adults.

the sexual nature of some US shows (Game of thrones, Camelot, etc.) is too much for auntie beeb so they had to cut it. the BBC still has to contend with the straight laced image it's had for decades.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

thats a bit crap, and im slightly offended that they think that audiences wouldnt be mature enough to handle it.. how explicit could it really be anyway?
if you replaced jack or whoever he was having sex with, with a woman im sure it probably would barely be noticed

 

[personion]

I don't care at all really. Go cut it out, it's probably not important to the story anyway.

 

[MoeTheMonk]

First off I think most sex scenes in shows and movies are so pointless and out-of-place anyways that I wouldn't care if they were removed from every show, ever. So, let's just say that a gay sex-scene being removed from some show I never watch doesn't exactly bring tears to my eyes.

I think alot of the people on this site forget that the real world is not the rainbow sunshine kingdom of the Escapist where everyone loves everything gay and wishes they could all be gay. A great amount of people don't like and get upset by homosexual stuff, especially explicitly sexual content.
TV networks get alot of complaints about sexually explicit content anyways, and now you add gay-sexually explicit content? Yeah, I sense a flood of complaints incoming.
If you want gay sex, there's a huge internet with plenty of it, and honestly I wouldn't want it shoved into the middle of a sci-fi show myself either.

 

[Lucifus]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

Considering the main charicters is a homosexual and most of the characters were bisexual id say its a pretty integral part of the story as it always has been.

If you want to watch Torchwood without bumming then id say pick another show.

 

[Harveypot]

I wish the opening poster would change to say that it isn't the fact that the scene is gay...it's that sex and nudity isn't allowed before the watershed...

But Torchwood is on after the watershed (9pm in the UK) so there shouldn't be a problem.

OP: Personally, I think it's stupid. It's on adult TV so there should be nothing wrong. This sounds no worse than scenes in series 1+2 and they were both rated 15.

 

[manaman]

Is the scene important to the narrative or just shoved in for impact?

If it is the former then they should not have removed it if it is the latter then who gives a damn.

(not just to you)

I always find this argument interesting in regards to male nudity. If this had been two 'hawt' females, or some hot womans naked bum.

Would it be just 'shoved in for shock value'?

Thank about it for a sec.

Why should I think of that for a second? Why does it matter? There was no mention of a difference of opinion for gay sex, lesbian sex, group sex. monkey sex or horse on monkey sex. My point here is the only person making an argument for a difference of opinion for ladies bums or gentlemanly bums is you.

In my humble opinion it still doesn't matter if a sex scene was added to a show just to have a sex scene then it doesn't matter if it gets the axe. Man women, or other it doesn't matter. The opposite of course applies, and you can claim bias if relevant scenes are cut because of the gender of the participants.

Until then you are just making an argument where non exists. Then complaining about the inherent bias in that non existent argument.

 

[Spaggiari]

Notice how they say

"Last night, the BBC confirmed the scene had been axed along with another gruesome scene later in the series."

They refer to the scene as 'gruesome', which the dictionary tells me means 'a cause of shock; ghastly'. What kind of paper is this 'The Sun' to use such outright offensive

 

[Mandalore_15]

Point. Missing it.

Most people don't want to watch 'Coast' or 'Restoration Home'. That doesn't mean the corporation cuts them. Previous Torchwood episodes have implied same-sex activity and frequent gay kissing, so no, it hasn't been taken off the air because most people aren't gay and therefore don't want to see 'gay stuff'. That's just you.

This is about removing scenes for fear of obscenity complaints, which is an entirely different thing.

There's a difference between pulling a show because the majority of the public don't want to watch it and pulling a scene from a show because you don't have the spine to defend it from homophobically motivated allegations of obscenity.

As for 'oh, it's only because it's a naked bum, nothing to do with the gay element.' Have you SEEN Torchwood?

Wow, sanctimony AND conclusion-jumping in one post? Bravo sir, you just won the "self-righteous prat" award! For a start, you have absolutely no idea what I want to see on television, so don't make out like you do.

I didn't miss the point. The point is that it's "wrong" and "homophobic" to cut out a gay sex scene from a TV show, and blah blah blah... the real point is, all TV networks have to pander to their audience. For the BBC, that's the average TV license payer, and I'm pretty sure the average TV license payer doesn't enjoy watching gay sex (the people that do are a tiny minority). Hell, Torchwood as a spin-off of Dr. Who still has part of the latter show's image, and many parents wouldn't want their (admittedly older) children watching stuff like that. The fact of the matter is, if the audience isn't ready for it, it makes sense not to show it, especially in this case where the audience has actually PAID for the production of the show.

As for not wanting to see "gay stuff", if I didn't what exactly would be wrong with that? It's not "homophobic" to not enjoy or even to actively avoid watching two guys go at it over a bar. "Homophobia" implies a fear or hatred of gay people, which a) I don't have, and b) isn't in dispute in those circumstances. If I didn't want to see two overweight people fucking, does that make me "chubbophobic"? Or hey, maybe if I walk in on a guy and a girl having sex but don't want to watch, or even just feel awkward about it, I'm "heterophobic"?

Homophobia exists, sure, and where it does exist it's completely unacceptable, but going out of your way to find it in situations like this is just taking the piss. At the end of the day, it all boils down to the the same thing it boils down to with every other minority: that minority bitching about how everyone else doesn't see thing the way they see them or how they don't like the things they like. If you can't handle being different, don't project it on everyone else. And if no-one else wants to see two guys having sex, there's a thing called "the internet" that you can use when no-one else is around.

And yes, I've seen Torchwood. It's SHITE.

 

[JezebelinHell]

You should also realize that Starz is a subscription based cable station not a basic or local station. Along the lines of HBO and ShowTime. People have to pay extra to get the station turned on in their homes and realize that riskier broadcasting is to be expected from such services.

 

[Mandalore_15]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

Considering the main charicters is a homosexual and most of the characters were bisexual id say its a pretty integral part of the story as it always has been.

If you want to watch Torchwood without bumming then id say pick another show.

Oh don't worry, in my opinion Torchwood is pretty much the TV equivalent of chrone's disease, so I've given it a rather wide berth.

But seriously, you can have TV shows about gay/bi people and have them get into sexual relationships etc. without making it as graphic as seems to be implied. The majority of people watching won't be gay, but won't be homophobic either. But there is a point at which even the least homophobic straight person will go "god, I don't want to watch this". Hence why none of us watch gay porn.

 

[spartandude]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

not that long ago the majority of people wanted homosexuality to be illeagle

 

[TorchofThanatos]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

Jack being gay is kind of the entire point. It is not completely unnecessary because Torchwood try's to be a character driven show. Extra Credits did a episode on adding extra depth to characters. This is the same thing but in a TV show. Also this is not the first sex scene in this show. Jack has made out with guys before and other characters did it (this might be the first gay sex scene though, I don't know).

 

[Mandalore_15]

Not a big deal. Stuff like that is almost completely unnecessary in a sci-fi show, and seeing as gay people are in the minority, it makes sense to go with what the majority audience would want.

not that long ago the majority of people wanted homosexuality to be illeagle

There is a world of difference between making something illegal and not showing it on TV at 9:20pm... ('¬_¬)

 

[Knusper]

Well I doubt the scene is entirely necessary for the story so normally I would say it doesn't matter BUT you have to wonder if the BBC would do the same if it was a a scene between a man and a woman.

In fact, I remember an episode of Spooks when there was a sex scene between a man and a woman and was no "lighter" than the one OP described and was also just after the watershed. It's kind of sad when you remember how much the BBC likes to say how it equally and fairly represents the LGBT community.