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If I wanted to learn something I will google it, or look it up. Anytime a professor challenged my beliefs I would note it, and move on. I started on being non-politically correct, yet on the left, and I will end not being politically correct, and on the left.
What you're describing is a form of self-imposed political correctness.

If I wanted to learn something, I will also look it up. However, looking stuff up is the first step in a process that leads to real understanding of a topic. Learning that process, and how to organize and direct your own learning, is the thing you're actually learning in higher education. It starts with very baby steps because it assumes you've just come out of school and are still used to a lot of structure, but even those baby steps are valuable because if you don't do them, you end up believing that googling something is learning.

Higher education is supposed to challenge your beliefs. It challenges everyone's beliefs sooner or later. Everyone who comes out of a PhD has gone through a cycle of encountering a theory we like, growing enough to realise its trash and moving on. Some of us, especially in theoretically dense fields, have done this many, many times over. Eventually, you build a system of beliefs that is flexible, complex and complete enough to survive, but it takes a really, really long time. It's an immense privilege to have that time, refusing to use it because you're afraid your beliefs won't hold up is a terrible choice. They won't hold up. They never do.

There's so much to hate about higher education and academia in general, but all the things you seem to hate are the things that it's supposed to do.
 
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Lady Dimitrescu from Resident Evil: Village
Ada Wong in the RE2 Remake
Sindel in MK 11
Morgan in the Runaways show
Doctor from Akudama Drive

All come to mind as recent examples. Also, check out the trailer for an upcoming Netflix movie called Night Teeth.
I wouldn't really say Lady D counts so much as a femme fatale / sexy seductress type she's more a monster woman in the Resident Evil tradition of monster male characters.

Sindel maybe but she's hardly that new.



I just gave you evidence that this not the case. At least not all the time these days.
That the series saw a decline?

Happens with plenty of stuff especially as the first film was pushed a lot more heavily and was released on Valentines day I think it was.

You only need to look at Megan Fox's career to see how relying only on sex appeal can only get you so far. Hell, they made a Baywatch movie four years ago that flopped despite having Dwayne Johnson in it.

There is a difference between paying for movies which happen to have sex scenes in it and the sex scenes being the reason people pay money for them.

And the fact that you can point out that sexy situations happen all the time in movies only further proves how this whining over sexiness being attacked is completely absurd.
I mean Megan Fox has done some other stuff recently.

The Baywatch movie flopped in part because it was marketed as almost a buddy cop comedy action film lol.

You still need a decent film to go with the sex appeal but the sex appeal will add to a film but it won't hold the film up on it's own.

Also there very much has been a toning down in films in fairly recent years.

 

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You did? You addressed that large numbers of sexy games exist for major retailers to sell freely, including every sexy game you feel is maligned?
Yes by pointing out it's very much just Steam really selling those.

"Blogger said a thing" is bloggers saying a thing. Other than widespread mockery, there's no real push. But, if you are in the business of selling products, widespread mockery is valuable feedback, if you engage with what's being mocked. Basically nobody had any objections to Greek mythological entities running around half-or-entirely naked and having sex in Hades.
Funny how it works because it seems certain voices are very good and directing the outrage also Hades was an indie game and for some reason most of the people crying about sexy characters being bad barely notice indie games exist most of the time and instead focus on yelling at AAA games only.

Watching advertising is watching a show in much the same way as watching a gameplay trailer is like playing a game. You'd pitch a fit if people decided to review video games based on promo material, right? Games you're predisposed to liking, anyway.
yet games are a medium you play while TV is a medium you watch. Bit of a difference there especially as tv trailers and clips exist to try and get people to watch it and if they aren't working then it really does say something about the show if those are the best clips they can manage.
 

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I rather expect people to be able to Google the DOA roster themselves.

But if you're incapable: I'd point to Kasumi, Christie, Lisa, Tina, Rachel, Marie Rose, Mai.
So just to point this out.

Kasumi = Shinobi from a secret Ninja clan, so yeh you kinda need to show that women in real life secret Ninja clans aren't as sexy lol.

Christie = a paid assassin who also has far more modest outfits

Lisa = a Mexican Wrestler lol so yeh see the previous statements relating to Tina

Tina = again a Wrestler lol who was in one of the examples I posted earlier (Which now makes me doubt how much you know about the series and how much this is really just you repeating a narrative somewhat blindly)

Rachel = Demon Hunter guest star not a mainstay of the series. You might as well argue the Spartan that appeared in a Dead or Alive game proves it has plenty of women who are very modestly dressed (It's suggested the Spartan who appeared in Dead or Alive was a female spartan)

Marie Rose = The assistant of an ex opera singer. But yeh I'm not exactly seeing her as exactly especially sexualised, she has a somewhat flamboyant dress

Mai = another guest fighter from another game so we're judging the game by it's guest characters are we?





Why? I'd recommend you just stop assuming what I think, because you're quite bad at it.
So if you have no objection to women IRL why are they a problem in games again?


No, I'm not working on that basis. Stop inventing arguments for me.
No I'm pointing out the very unfortunate implications of your arguments and you seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge or address said issues.
 

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So just to point this out.

Kasumi = Shinobi from a secret Ninja clan, so yeh you kinda need to show that women in real life secret Ninja clans aren't as sexy lol.
No I don't. Because you're the only one obsessively preoccupied with making comparisons with real-world counterparts, which is a complete irrelevance.

Marie Rose = The assistant of an ex opera singer. But yeh I'm not exactly seeing her as exactly especially sexualised, she has a somewhat flamboyant dress
Underlining mine. Ahem.

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Ooh, this one's very modest: promotional shot for DOA5:

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Ah, down the rabbit hole now. Here are a few choice other promotional images produced for DOA5 as well;

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You know what's really strange? There were dozens of these naked/bikini beach shot artworks released as promotional art showing the women... but... that's odd! I can't find any for the guys! All the guys' promotional artwork has them clothed in battle stances! IsN't ThAt StRaNgE dWaRvEnHoBbLe!


So if you have no objection to women IRL why are they a problem in games again?
Because they're fucking everywhere. If they cropped up in roughly the same proportion as they do IRL, or even a bit more, that'd be fine with me. But it's so overwhelmingly common.


No I'm pointing out the very unfortunate implications of your arguments and you seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge or address said issues.
If you cannot conceive of someone offering a criticism without also (for some reason) believing that the artist also doesn't want to be making their art, then I don't know what to tell you. That's such an utterly nonsensical, idiotic leap of logic to make. It makes zero sense.
 

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No I don't. Because you're the only one obsessively preoccupied with making comparisons with real-world counterparts, which is a complete irrelevance.
Yet if you think the game characters are overly sexualised and the real life women doing said things are dressed in more revealing clothes that well it does become somewhat important to question and point to ask questions about.


Underlining mine. Ahem.

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Ooh, this one's very modest: promotional shot for DOA5:

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Ah, down the rabbit hole now. Here are a few choice other promotional images produced for DOA5 as well;

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You know what's really strange? There were dozens of these naked/bikini beach shot artworks released as promotional art showing the women... but... that's odd! I can't find any for the guys! All the guys' promotional artwork has them clothed in battle stances! IsN't ThAt StRaNgE dWaRvEnHoBbLe!
1) You're citing a volleyball spin off game as evidence for the problems with the fighting game series? Really? I have to ask are you a Mary Sue writer, because one of them tried to use similar logic but didn't realise the beach vollyball game was a beach volleyball game.....

2) You're actual images are seemingly from Promotional DLC packs of optional costumes not main games ones which I'd have thought would have been somewhat obvious to anyone with eve vague knowledge of the game especially as one of them even states on it that it's for a specific DLC pack. So to be clear you're now upset people can pay to buy extra costumes? You're not even upset about default costumes or costumes included in the game normally you're upset that people are allowed to buy extra costumes you don't approve of?



Because they're fucking everywhere. If they cropped up in roughly the same proportion as they do IRL, or even a bit more, that'd be fine with me. But it's so overwhelmingly common.
That entirely depends on where you live I'd imagine as yes the exotic tropical island tourist paradise will likely have women in bikinis far more than central London even at the height of summer.



If you cannot conceive of someone offering a criticism without also (for some reason) believing that the artist also doesn't want to be making their art, then I don't know what to tell you. That's such an utterly nonsensical, idiotic leap of logic to make. It makes zero sense.
Well some artists like drawing sexy women. You assume the artists don't or somehow need to be told to change the designs and the sexy designs are not them making what they want.
 

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Yes by pointing out it's very much just Steam really selling those.
Lmao, what?
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I bought Gun Gun Pixies at fucking GameStop.

Funny how it works because it seems certain voices are very good and directing the outrage also Hades was an indie game and for some reason most of the people crying about sexy characters being bad barely notice indie games exist most of the time and instead focus on yelling at AAA games only.
Yes, all of these prudish bloggers and video game sites absolutely sat on smash-hit, massively award winning, physical retail copy producing Hades

Look, I'll admit that some folks are really good at ginning up outrage: some of them have YouTube channels dedicated to measuring clothing pixels
yet games are a medium you play while TV is a medium you watch. Bit of a difference there especially as tv trailers and clips exist to try and get people to watch it and if they aren't working then it really does say something about the show if those are the best clips they can manage.
Yes, video games have never had bad demos and you should be able to review video games based on playing a demo for a few minutes, I agree. Even better is reviewing a video game after somebody who hates that video game conceptually plays that video game demo for a few minutes and then makes 13 YouTube videos about how that video game is going to destroy video games.
 
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Points to any number of PS2 games including the game that was pulled from sale The Guy game
Oh look the Nintendo Switch has 1 retail release of such a kind of game

Yes, all of these prudish bloggers and video game sites absolutely sat on smash-hit, massively award winning, physical retail copy producing Hades
Actually most of the places whining about sexy character did as many of those on social media who generally complain about them. Yes they very much did ignore it quite a lot


Look, I'll admit that some folks are really good at ginning up outrage: some of them have YouTube channels dedicated to measuring clothing pixels

Yes, video games have never had bad demos and you should be able to review video games based on playing a demo for a few minutes, I agree. Even better is reviewing a video game after somebody who hates that video game conceptually plays that video game demo for a few minutes and then makes 13 YouTube videos about how that video game is going to destroy video games.
So to be clear I'm not allowed to comment on the quality of anything or even bring up reviewers and others who have covered said thing and am only ever allowed to judge something or comment on it if I've experience it myself and presumably then it will be "No you have to experience the whole thing fully you can't nope out after 1 episode".

Corporations must really love you.
 

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My personal (and purely subjective) impression of developments in that field are :

- Tropes like the damsel have gone back and are pretty rare. Likewise protray of traditional gender roles but not to the same extend.
- Female protagonists/ squad members have become far more common.
- Sexualisation has increased. There is far more naked skin in games and more sexual plotpoints/options than a couple decades ago.

Those points are related in strange ways.

- Even with the increased presence of tittilating content we have more not sexualized women around, mostly because the number of women increased even more and they fill out more archetypes.
- Many of the women that are very good looking in revealing outfits still fill out roles in the plot/gameplay that were traditionally male dominated. It seems the combination of behavior that some people see as musculine with obviously female eye candy is utterly normal by now.

Also, maybe get DAO and Mortal Combat into some extra threads if there is so much to discuss? They are kinda niche.
 
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Points to any number of PS2 games including the game that was pulled from sale The Guy game
Oh look the Nintendo Switch has 1 retail release of such a kind of game
The Guy Game was pulled because of child pornography laws. One of their *models* was underage at the time. Courts got involved.
Like, I pointed out 2 commonly available sexy anime games out of many more being readily available of major platforms, and your comeback is a 17 year old game getting banned for real life sexy children. Mother of god.

On top of that, it's *still* the opposite of a refutation: old game got banned, new game permitted.
Actually most of the places whining about sexy character did as many of those on social media who generally complain about them. Yes they very much did ignore it quite a lot
Lmao, sure. I buy that

So to be clear I'm not allowed to comment on the quality of anything or even bring up reviewers and others who have covered said thing and am only ever allowed to judge something or comment on it if I've experience it myself and presumably then it will be "No you have to experience the whole thing fully you can't nope out after 1 episode".

Corporations must really love you.
You are making explicit claims of story content of long form media released over 2 years. You don't accept that of people complaining about video games you like.
There's lots of shit I nope out of after brief exposure, but if I'm gonna use them to seriously argue something then I'm gonna do some goddamned research.
 

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The Guy Game was pulled because of child pornography laws. One of their *models* was underage at the time. Courts got involved.
Like, I pointed out 2 commonly available sexy anime games out of many more being readily available of major platforms, and your comeback is a 17 year old game getting banned for real life sexy children. Mother of god.
Which kind of tells you a bit about the difference in the times now vs then that yes it got pulled because one of the models in it was 17 and lied about her age but a company was fine and felt fine to put out a game where you answered quiz questions for topless women. And yes even I'll say it's a bit crass but we're in an age now when there's some on twitter right now cheering over the potential that Bayonetta 3 may have been toned down compared to previous games.

Lmao, sure. I buy that
yes because some activist types don't play the game they yell about they just yell about them on twitter because games are popular and it's an easy vector to push ideology when other vectors like film and TV generally blank them out and ignore them most of the time.


You are making explicit claims of story content of long form media released over 2 years. You don't accept that of people complaining about video games you like.
There's lots of shit I nope out of after brief exposure, but if I'm gonna use them to seriously argue something then I'm gonna do some goddamned research.
I don't accept it with video games when
1) They pretend to have totally played it all and aren't honest about it
2) They are easily shown to be wrong in their claims.

So care to actually prove me wrong about Batwoman?
 

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Yet if you think the game characters are overly sexualised and the real life women doing said things are dressed in more revealing clothes that well it does become somewhat important to question and point to ask questions about.
The real-life women doing martial arts are, generally speaking, not dressed in more revealing clothes, as is evident from a cursory look at any professional martial arts tournament.

But you're the one who keeps insisting that the comparison should be with ninja clans and such, which do not exist.


1) You're citing a volleyball spin off game as evidence for the problems with the fighting game series? Really? I have to ask are you a Mary Sue writer, because one of them tried to use similar logic but didn't realise the beach vollyball game was a beach volleyball game.....
Ah, and here come the arbitrary reasons to exclude examples. "It's not main series! Therefore it doesn't count!"


2) You're actual images are seemingly from Promotional DLC packs of optional costumes not main games ones which I'd have thought would have been somewhat obvious to anyone with eve vague knowledge of the game especially as one of them even states on it that it's for a specific DLC pack.
"It's DLC it doesn't count!"

Yes, we know, you'll find arbitrary reasons to claim any and all examples don't count.

That entirely depends on where you live I'd imagine as yes the exotic tropical island tourist paradise will likely have women in bikinis far more than central London even at the height of summer.
And the martial arts tournaments?

Well some artists like drawing sexy women. You assume the artists don't or somehow need to be told to change the designs and the sexy designs are not them making what they want.
No, I never assumed that, you literally just made that up. I really wish I didn't have to spend half of every post debunking this lazy shite you keep projecting onto me.
 

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The real-life women doing martial arts are, generally speaking, not dressed in more revealing clothes, as is evident from a cursory look at any professional martial arts tournament.
*Points to UFC*
Is that not a mixed martial arts tournament without quite the same combatant outfit rules?

But you're the one who keeps insisting that the comparison should be with ninja clans and such, which do not exist.
So to explain the point further.

No shit they don't exist so how the hell does it make sense to accuse them of being overly sexualised, the same with Tengu. You're judging it based on what professional Judo contest or something?



Ah, and here come the arbitrary reasons to exclude examples. "It's not main series! Therefore it doesn't count!"
So you want to Judge Sonic the Hedgehog based on the Sonic the Hedgehog racing game?

How about Judging Mario as a franchise by Mario is Missing?



"It's DLC it doesn't count!"

Yes, we know, you'll find arbitrary reasons to claim any and all examples don't count.
Literally paid optional stuff not part of the main game but considering part of the claim is the games are off putting to women you're saying an entirely optional extra they don't have to engage with at all just existing is problematic now?

Guess we better ban all mods for games too then because they could be problematic too?


And the martial arts tournaments?
Well I was more referring to beach volleyball tournaments lol.

Also DOA would be more of a street fighting tournament as such.


No, I never assumed that, you literally just made that up. I really wish I didn't have to spend half of every post debunking this lazy shite you keep projecting onto me.
No these are the unfortunate implications of what you present or say.
If companies have got to make artists create different things then they have to make artists do it.
 

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*Points to UFC*
Is that not a mixed martial arts tournament without quite the same combatant outfit rules?
Sure it is! In which combatants tend to where tanktops & trunks-- quite revealing, though significantly less so/ more practical than a lot of the women's outfits in DOA.

And that's... one tournament for one type of martial arts. Let's look at the others. Women's boxing tournaments? Tend to be in modest tops & shorts. Women's karate, Taekwondo, Jiu Jitsu, Judo? All tend to be in robe-like attire of some sort or another.


So to explain the point further.

No shit they don't exist so how the hell does it make sense to accuse them of being overly sexualised, the same with Tengu. You're judging it based on what professional Judo contest or something?
I'm not making a real world comparison at all.

It's incredible how difficult you seem to find this concept.


So you want to Judge Sonic the Hedgehog based on the Sonic the Hedgehog racing game?

How about Judging Mario as a franchise by Mario is Missing?
Except "Mario is Missing" is massively niche and old.

It's more like I'm looking at how Mario is portrayed in.... Mario Kart, or Mario Party. And you're insisting Mario Kart doesn't count as part of the franchise, because it's a spin-off.


Literally paid optional stuff not part of the main game but considering part of the claim is the games are off putting to women you're saying an entirely optional extra they don't have to engage with at all just existing is problematic now?

Guess we better ban all mods for games too then because they could be problematic too?
Lol, aaaand you're going to lean back on the "banning" hyperbole again. Nobody's talking about fucking banning anything. Do you understand the difference between banning something and criticising it?

No these are the unfortunate implications of what you present or say.
Bollocks. Absolutely nothing I said implied the artists didn't want to make them. That's completely, utterly, pulled out of your ass.

Can you at least try to stick to arguing against stuff I've actually said?
 

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Which kind of tells you a bit about the difference in the times now vs then that yes it got pulled because one of the models in it was 17 and lied about her age but a company was fine and felt fine to put out a game where you answered quiz questions for topless women. And yes even I'll say it's a bit crass but we're in an age now when there's some on twitter right now cheering over the potential that Bayonetta 3 may have been toned down compared to previous games.
There's someone on Twitter arguing literally everything under the sun. And?
There's companies willing to take their Shoot High School Girls With Pheromones Until They Orgasm game and say "hey, we should advertise that we're making this game sexier" and now you can buy it at Walmart for the Nintendo console. These games are a whole publishing strategy, complete with most sexualization happening specifically to (fictional) underage girls as specific design. The Gun Gun Pixies art book specifically had "we were designing a second adult character to interact with, but we already had one 20 year old so we met our mature women quota"
Kinda saying the quiet part out loud
yes because some activist types don't play the game they yell about they just yell about them on twitter because games are popular and it's an easy vector to push ideology when other vectors like film and TV generally blank them out and ignore them most of the time.
Lmao, hilarious coming from the "no I haven't watched it but let me tell you exactly what it's about" guy


I don't accept it with video games when
1) They pretend to have totally played it all and aren't honest about it
2) They are easily shown to be wrong in their claims.

So care to actually prove me wrong about Batwoman?
Haven't watched it, not buying HBO Max nor tying up the bandwidth to watch a show I'm not interested in. Care to actually prove you right about Batwoman? Kinda how that whole "evidence" thing works. Because failing shows don't typically get 3rd seasons
 

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Women's karate, Taekwondo, Jiu Jitsu, Judo? All tend to be in robe-like attire of some sort or another.
I don't know what the Korean word is for their uniform, but Karate, Judo and Jiu Jutsu use a Gi. Judo and Jiu Jutsu ones tend to be much thicker and stronger because of all the grappling; more traditional Jiu Jutsu schools may also require a hakama, a pair of billowy, pleated pants at Shodan and beyond. Competition Karate doesn't have as much grappling so theirs tend to be thinner.
 

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Sure it is! In which combatants tend to where tanktops & trunks-- quite revealing, though significantly less so/ more practical than a lot of the women's outfits in DOA.

And that's... one tournament for one type of martial arts. Let's look at the others. Women's boxing tournaments? Tend to be in modest tops & shorts. Women's karate, Taekwondo, Jiu Jitsu, Judo? All tend to be in robe-like attire of some sort or another.
So again you're mostly referring to OPTIONAL outfit options not their main looks. So you're objection is to the optional looks that aren't realistic but only the women?

Most tournaments have some kind of dress code because they're first and foremost not underground fighting tournaments.


I'm not making a real world comparison at all.

It's incredible how difficult you seem to find this concept.
Because you have to base it on something and so yes you are comparing to real life even if you don't want to admit it or you can claim everything is sexist compared to the image in your head of a martial arts Nun in full habit (actually a thing that existed)

Except "Mario is Missing" is massively niche and old.

It's more like I'm looking at how Mario is portrayed in.... Mario Kart, or Mario Party. And you're insisting Mario Kart doesn't count as part of the franchise, because it's a spin-off.
So you're arguing the handling can be slightly off and some power ups overpowered in the Mario Platformer games because of Mario Kart?

See the issue yet?



Lol, aaaand you're going to lean back on the "banning" hyperbole again. Nobody's talking about fucking banning anything. Do you understand the difference between banning something and criticising it?
Criticism is with the intend of getting change be that via co-operation or forcing the change one way or another.
Also yes Dead or Alive Extreme 3 was prevented from getting an official western release


Bollocks. Absolutely nothing I said implied the artists didn't want to make them. That's completely, utterly, pulled out of your ass.

Can you at least try to stick to arguing against stuff I've actually said?
They do have to do with what you say if you'd think through what you're arguing fully as yet it would include or involved what I'm saying.
 

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There's someone on Twitter arguing literally everything under the sun. And?
There's companies willing to take their Shoot High School Girls With Pheromones Until They Orgasm game and say "hey, we should advertise that we're making this game sexier" and now you can buy it at Walmart for the Nintendo console. These games are a whole publishing strategy, complete with most sexualization happening specifically to (fictional) underage girls as specific design. The Gun Gun Pixies art book specifically had "we were designing a second adult character to interact with, but we already had one 20 year old so we met our mature women quota"
Kinda saying the quiet part out loud
Which hilariously adds to my point. Gal Gun is fine because it's niche so the activists don't care to go after it. Bayonetta though? That's a fairly big well known name so it's being targeted because the activist don't play games they just see them as a vector to push their ideology because I dunno:

"MEN BAD, HOW DARE MEN LIKE SEXY WITCH LADY WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LIKING THEIR MALE FRIEND LIKE IN MY WEIRD SLASH FICTION" or something like that.

Lmao, hilarious coming from the "no I haven't watched it but let me tell you exactly what it's about" guy
So please care to explain how most of the clips I've seen posted to advertise the show have matched what I've said again?
Or even refute anything I've said about Batwoman.

Haven't watched it, not buying HBO Max nor tying up the bandwidth to watch a show I'm not interested in. Care to actually prove you right about Batwoman? Kinda how that whole "evidence" thing works. Because failing shows don't typically get 3rd seasons
So having watched clips I'm actually the one whose seen more of Batwoman than you? ROFL
Oh man don't tell me you were defending it just to uphold a narrative. If you had told me you had watched it and I was wrong I'd be giving you more credit because you're not fighting from an equally if not even less stable position than me lol.

I have actually watched all of Stargirl Season 1 and will watch Season 2 once it's fully up so I can watch it in decent chunks rather than weekly. I mean I could go watch Batwoman but man the clips I've seen, they've been bad......
 

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I don't know what the Korean word is for their uniform, but Karate, Judo and Jiu Jutsu use a Gi. Judo and Jiu Jutsu ones tend to be much thicker and stronger because of all the grappling; more traditional Jiu Jutsu schools may also require a hakama, a pair of billowy, pleated pants at Shodan and beyond. Competition Karate doesn't have as much grappling so theirs tend to be thinner.
useless fact I own a Judo Gi and pair of pants lol. I will confirm they are thicker.
 

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Which hilariously adds to my point. Gal Gun is fine because it's niche so the activists don't care to go after it.
Your point is that these games are under threat. They are clearly flourishing. Gal Gun is well known as "that" kind of game

Gotta love the goalpost shift though: couple pages ago it was "feminists are influencing companies to censor these games", now it's "feminists aren't paying attention to these games"
Bayonetta though? That's a fairly big well known name so it's being targeted because the activist don't play games they just see them as a vector to push their ideology because I dunno:

"MEN BAD, HOW DARE MEN LIKE SEXY WITCH LADY WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LIKING THEIR MALE FRIEND LIKE IN MY WEIRD SLASH FICTION" or something like that.
Is this something that actually happened or are you imagining somebody and then getting mad at them?
And please, something with actual engagement, not some dozen like nobody you can find taking any position on any topic
So please care to explain how most of the clips I've seen posted to advertise the show have matched what I've said again?
Or even refute anything I've said about Batwoman.
Best I've got is audio-visual hallucinations. Watched a few clips and I'm decidedly not seeing what you're seeing
So having watched clips I'm actually the one whose seen more of Batwoman than you? ROFL
Oh man don't tell me you were defending it just to uphold a narrative. If you had told me you had watched it and I was wrong I'd be giving you more credit because you're not fighting from an equally if not even less stable position than me lol.
No you wouldn't, not that it matters.
Just like every games journalist article thrust into my face by enraged gamers in the past 5 years, I'm left disappointed. Like, every promo and trailer I just pulled up could swap Batwoman's gender and change zero dialogue besides maybe pronouns. How is this your boogeyman? Because all I have left is uncharitable assumptions about your character.

EDIT:you know you can dislike something without inventing an ideological reason to justify it, right?
 
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