Geohot Claims He's Never Heard of Sony Computer Entertainment of America

Andy Chalk

One Flag, One Fleet, One Cat
Nov 12, 2002
Geohot Claims He's Never Heard of Sony Computer Entertainment of America

Lawyers for George Hotz, the most famous PlayStation 3 hacker in the world, say his client thought Sony was a Japanese company and had no idea that Sony Computer Entertainment of America even existed.

The Sony v. Geohot case is complicated and I'm easily confused, so maybe there's something about this particular argument that makes sense and it's just going over my head. I could buy the idea that George Hotz didn't know Sony Computer Entertainment of America was based in California, but his argument that he didn't know it existed at all? That's a little tougher to swallow. That's his story, though, and it looks like he's sticking to it.

"When one purchases a PlayStation Computer and looks at its outer box, it has plastered on numerous places that it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It only references Sony Japan - not SCEA," his lawyer explained in a court filing. "When one takes the PlayStation Computer out of its box and inspects it, it states it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It does not reference California. When one installs the PlayStation Computer firmware update that Mr. Hotz allegedly circumvented, which can legally be obtained through the internet as Mr. Hotz did, upon installation, it only refers to Sony Japan."

Hotz also declared in a separate document - under penalty of perjury, mind - that he was unaware of the existence of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. He claimed that the manuals for the used consoles he purchased, which are the only documentation included with the system that actually mention SCEA or California, were either missing or got tossed out without being looked at, and that the one that came with the new Slim system he purchased has never been looked at and is in fact still sealed. His lawyer even took multiple photographs of the package and unopened manuals as proof that Hotz never read it and thus knew nothing about SCEA.

Why is this important? It's a matter of establishing jurisdiction. Hotz and his lawyers are arguing that the case should be thrown out because the state of California doesn't have jurisdiction over the matter and while the idea that he'd never heard of SCEA is patently silly, if Sony can't prove otherwise it might find itself in a bit of a sticky wicket.

Sony ran into similar issues when it tried to pin newly-created PSN accounts on Hotz, claiming that the Terms of Service agreement establish jurisdiction, but that argument appears to have fallen through since the serial number in question doesn't actually match up and the company has been unable to provide any other links between the accounts and Hotz.

And if you're wondering why Hotz kept the packaging and still-sealed manuals for the PS3 Slim he bought while everything else ended up in the garbage, the answer is simple. "Because it was pretty," he said.

Source: Ars Technica []



New member
Sep 8, 2010
ahh, legal loopholes, they're so much fun, but seriously. How can you be a hacker and not know who exactly is trying to fight against your hacking


New member
Mar 10, 2009
How in god's name does he think he can get away with playing stupid? The guy clearly is not that much of an idiot to not know that SCEA exists, he was smart enough to crack the PS3 so I'm 100% positive he is smart enough to know SCEA exists. Heck I knew it existed more than ten years ago!

Also thank you for using the rap video picture of him in any news related to this, it always makes me laugh.

Stevey M

Feb 11, 2009
Of course he's really heard of it; he's just doing as Mr Lawyer says. Am interested to see how this pans out.


New member
Jan 17, 2009
Actually, this is a good thing for him, because that is true. Feigning ignorance is playing by typical court rules and sony are being complete assholes about this court case so far.


books, Books, BOOKS
Jan 19, 2011
United States
Ok, now I'm seriously running out of popcorn, can we just wrap this up?

This is now getting less interesting and more in the realm of can this get even more ridiculous. I thought it was obvious that Sony would have a "base" here like Nintendo does, like I would assume that Microsoft would have one in Japan. But I guessed wrong apparently.

Also, keeping the still-sealed manuals because they look pretty? Now that's just silly.


New member
Apr 22, 2010
I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!


New member
Apr 3, 2010
It aint true but how are they gonna prove it..lie detectors..lawls those aren't 100% so they can never 100% prove it.


New member
Apr 14, 2009
Because they were pretty is perfectly plausible to me. I know I'D do that. ;D


New member
May 26, 2009
This is getting quite silly now, and the more i hear about the exploits of Sir Geohot i'm starting to doubt his innocence.


Revelation 9:6
Mar 23, 2011
Kheapathic said:
I know stupid stuff like this has to happen, it's all part of the legal process. But he's making himself look like a complete idiot with this.
I agree, but I think he honestly does not care at this point.
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

-Ben Franklin


Follower of the Glorious Sun Butt.
Apr 1, 2009
Whatever, just wash your hands.
hmm I wondered what scea stood for