"Get back to your own countries!" Says illiterate woman on tram O_o

[sage42]

God it's people like this that makes me ashamed to be a human being. Well if the world does end next year at least all the people like this will be gone too.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*

Get serious man, are you really supporting someone being CRIMINALLY charged because they expressed an opinion? Really? I mean really? lol, you know who else punishes people when they express an unpopular opinion? The CCP when people say things that are deemed "criminal" to say.

Also I thoroughly recommend you really assess your thoughts and make sure you know what you're talking about before you bring sarcasm into a human rights debate with a trainee journalist.

Your occupation doesn't make your opinion more valid than mine, and as I sarcastically pointed out, it goes against the right to express yourself when your told that you can't state an unpopular opinion. I rather not take the same approach that the CCP takes towards freedom of speech.

I didn't say that. What I was saying is that your sarcasm seemed to imply that I didn't really know what I was talking about, whereas I'm telling you I certainly do.
For the last time dude, it is not simply because her opinion is unpopular. She was also violating the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, a UK act saying you cannot stir hatred against someone based on race or religion.
CCP? Please tell me you're not comparing UK law to Communism.

I guess I have a different idea of what "freedom of speech" means.
I wasn't comparing "communism" to a UK law, I was comparing an example of the UK telling people what is ok and what isn't ok to say, to the PRC telling people what is ok and what isn't ok to say. That's it.

You have a slightly mistake idea. Although it does entitle you to say whatever you want, it does not extend to consequences.

I should have clearified, they were Neo-Nazi's and it was a big controversy but in the end, it was aloud. Here is what I'm referring to:
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html

I hope this clears things up.

Ahh I see, fair enough.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

"A load of f'in' Polish"? ahahaha... me not like them too (political reasons, screwed and still tries to screw Lithuania). Sadly I am thinking of immigrating to Great Britain...

 

[Supertask]

Trust me, I have met a lot of chavs, they all talk just like that 'nice' 'lady' and are all thick as planks.

Likewise, she might say that all the black people she meets are a certain way and are destructive to British culture. How am I to take either of what you have to say seriously when you rely on that kind of evidence?

I'd say that the main difference is that 'chav' is a description of a type of person based on social background which by definition entails a number of characteristics, one of which is little education. 'Black' just describes skin colour, that is all it entails.

 

[LilithSlave]

I don't know whether Escapist is lagging again, whether there's several threads on this topic and I'm confusing them all together as the same, or whether I had an error in my last post and it'll never go through.

But I would like to ask again, just our of curiosity, since I don't know if I want to give such a video a view, ... how is this different from internet trolling and trolling in general? Is trolling a crime now?

 

[Generalissimo]

i don't want to live on this planet anymore

yes you do so stop using that stupid meme

warning: joykilling funsponge detected.

 

[scw55]

"A load of f'in' Polish"? ahahaha... me not like them too (political reasons, screwed and still tries to screw Lithuania). Sadly I am thinking of immigrating to Great Britain...

Wales is considerably less racist than England. We're too busy hating the English due to the hundreds of years of suppression of our language and culture in our own country! I think the same would be of any Celtic British nation.

But I would like to ask again, just our of curiosity, since I don't know if I want to give such a video a view, ... how is this different from internet trolling and trolling in general? Is trolling a crime now?

I thought trolling was meant to have an element of humour to it (not to all involved). This doesn't have it. She's angry and in my opinion a bad human being and the people around her are not humoured. The only ones who are humoured are us at such a pathetic example of life opening her mouth vacantly as nonsense spews out.
With regards to the point you actually raised, it's already been mentioned. She was enticing racial hatred in a space where people couldn't ignore her/go away. That's her crime. Everything else is just society rejecting her as a human being.

 

[pulse2]

Wow, what amazes me is that she actually got arrested for a video which depicts *nothing* of the events leading up to the rant. Last time I checked the law, people needed to actually report you for racism before they even make a case out of it.

Not so when you're white. When you're white and something pisses you off, justified or not, racist or not, the inquisition is ready to take you away.

Who wants to bet that if it was a video of a deranged Muslim ranting towards all the western women there that they were whores and what not, that the police would have done nothing, even if someone had reported him?

It's the same here in the Netherlands, racist policing all around. All someone of a specific minority with extra privileges has to say to someone who's white is that they're a racist, and a whole host of politically correct organisations and the authoritu unleash a major shitstorm on you. Years of violent racist crime by gangs of immigrants however, that's pretty alright, maybe in a decade we'll write a policy study about how we might do something about it.

I don't quite understand this rant :/

First of all, she wasn't just arrested because she was racially abusive, I could go out and call white people certain names right now if I really wanted to and was racist enough to do so, I'd mostly be ignored. I would only get arrested should I start to become aggressive and target a particular group of people to verbally abuse with racial insults, either because they feel threatened or feel you are disturbing the peace, in the same way that a neighbor living next to you shouting insults at you and your children would be arrested for doing so.

Second of all, I don't know about Netherlands, but we live in a civilized society over here in the UK, that sort of behavior is unacceptable and simply uncalled for, no matter what race you are, what white people getting hauled off for insulting others has to do with this is beyond me :/ Because blacks get arrested too under suspicion that they may be carrying weapons or drugs and anyone remotely Indian is suspected of being a terrorist, so lets not play the race card, we all get our fair share.

Thirdly, England has to deal with immigration more so than Netherlands, I'm certain of it, when anyone in Europe ever talks about illegal immigration, they talk about the UK, not France, not Germany, not Italy, the UK, because people travel from far and wide JUST to come to the UK. I've never heard of an immigrant traveling from a deprived country to get to Netherlands, but feel free to enlighten me, any information you can provide is education to me in my eyes.

Fourthly: "Who wants to bet that if it was a video of a deranged Muslim ranting towards all the western women there that they were whores and what not, that the police would have done nothing, even if someone had reported him?" Obviously you know nothing about Britain, over the last few years quite a lot of these very same people you used as an example were arrested, in fact, I was watching a documentary about one such person the other day and how he was born here, suffered identity crisis because his father was Egyptian and decided to vent out against all British people, particularly whites. He's in jail now.

I think this pretty much makes your point seem like nothing :/

 

[Eldrig]

I just gotta say, she's got some balls to be saying those sort of inflammatory comments on a tram full of people sure to be offended.

 

[Dorian6]

wow that's absolutely disgusting

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*

Well from what I saw, she wasn't arrested for expressing an unpopular opinion, but for threatening other people on the train, disturbing the peace, trying to incite violence and generally acting in an incredibly disorderly manner. The fact that she's a racist **** kinda draws attention away from all that I guess.

 

[Kopikatsu]

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*

Get serious man, are you really supporting someone being CRIMINALLY charged because they expressed an opinion? Really? I mean really? lol, you know who else punishes people when they express an unpopular opinion? The CCP when people say things that are deemed "criminal" to say.

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

oh and out of the woodwork they came...

I don't know if it's illegal to be racist in Britain, but it doesn't really make sense to arrest somebody because they say something which offends somebody in a public setting, since that would be a slippery slope with no well-defined end to it.

I'm not entirely sure what the laws in the UK are concerning free speech, but in 'Merica, we have the 'Clear and present danger' thing. If someone's comments would purposely incite violence/panic, then it's illegal for that person to make them. Like in the video, that one guy looked like he was about to punch that woman's lights out before the other person stopped him. So in 'Merica, what she said and did would have been illegal, yes. Apparently it's also illegal in Britain, since she did get arrested.

There is no 'slippery slope'. It's been that way for quite some time.

 

[pulse2]

I don't know whether Escapist is lagging again, whether there's several threads on this topic and I'm confusing them all together as the same, or whether I had an error in my last post and it'll never go through.

But I would like to ask again, just our of curiosity, since I don't know if I want to give such a video a view, ... how is this different from internet trolling and trolling in general? Is trolling a crime now?

Someone got arrested for that actually, lol. But then when you see what he was doing it was no surprise, he was a sad little man who spent his time joining groups made to grieve for dead people and he'd make jokes and insults about the dead person, bit of a twat, tbh.

 

[boag]

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*

Get serious man, are you really supporting someone being CRIMINALLY charged because they expressed an opinion? Really? I mean really? lol, you know who else punishes people when they express an unpopular opinion? The CCP when people say things that are deemed "criminal" to say.

Also I thoroughly recommend you really assess your thoughts and make sure you know what you're talking about before you bring sarcasm into a human rights debate with a trainee journalist.

Well I know someone I wont trusting for news now.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

oh and out of the woodwork they came...

I don't know if it's illegal to be racist in Britain, but it doesn't really make sense to arrest somebody because they say something which offends somebody in a public setting, since that would be a slippery slope with no well-defined end to it.

I do think that the public transportation system should be allowed to kick her off the train though.

So you don't think that verbally abusing someone on the grounds of race in public is worthy of arrest? She not only insulted and attacked anyone on the train who wasn't white, but she also directly abused at least one black woman. We have laws about public disruption specifically to deal with people like this.

It is illegal to be racist in Britain, and before you counter with 'America land of the free', they have laws about public order disruption and racism in America too.

Otherwise it would be entirely legal to say whatever you wanted in public, and that would be absurd.

 

[Crenelate]

Sigh, this is not what Britain, especially London, is about. Makes me really sad to see this shit coming from my home town. Doesn't disturbing the peace come into this at all? Is that a law still? If people have a problem they have a right to voice in an appropriate manner. Get informed, go and lecture, or campaign or get into politics. Don't shout your mouth off on a tram and make white people look fucking stupid.

Bet she didn't buy a ticket either, scumbag. What people have a right to is a quiet pleasant tram journey and to not be yelled at by a idiotic stranger...

 

[Anodos]

Its funny, she looks Eastern European or German.....but hey, shes has a pale skin color, so it doesnt count...

 

[Smeggs]

She doesn't have an interesting opinion. She has a rampantly racist opinion and thinks that countless people who have put more into my country than she ever will should leave based on their skin colour. End of.

Edit: And before they crawl out the woodwork, no, she is not protected by freedom of speech. She deserved to be arrested and the police have every justification to punish her.

hmm... your right, we should punish people who express an unpopular opinion! I mean why let people have the freedom to express themselves?! Outrageous! *sarcasm*

Get serious man, are you really supporting someone being CRIMINALLY charged because they expressed an opinion? Really? I mean really? lol, you know who else punishes people when they express an unpopular opinion? The CCP when people say things that are deemed "criminal" to say.

She is not protected by freedom of speech, she's being abusive to members of the public and inciting racial hatred, i don't know how either of those are opinion.

I'll admit that I don't know UK law, so I can only speak from an American perspective. That said, if it was in America, she could not be arrested for saying something racist.

Yeah, actually she kind of could. She was causing unrest and spreading racism while and inciting violence.

There's a difference between, "I personally do not like other ethnicities in my country," and, "ALL THESE FUCKING BROWN AND BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK WHERE THEY FUCKING CAME FROM! THEY AREN'T WHITE OR ENGLISHA ND THEY DON'T FUCKING BELONG HERE!"

I'm sure you can see the difference there. Freedom of speech protects people's opinions, yes, but not if it's causing civil unrest.

Why the hell are people bitching at each other about which country is better? Are you guys serious? You're really going to do that after this video showed how moronic people who do that kind of shit are? REALLY?