Good News, Everybody

[Trunkage]

Trump signed PACT. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-animal-cruelty-act-signed-trnd/index.html

Animal cruelty (except hunting) is outlawed federally. It's suprising what was still legal before this moment.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Hands up everyone who read the title in Professor Farnsworth's voice. Also, the title is a bit vague.

But yeah, good, if surprising news, if properly implemented.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I am all for this. It seems at least somewhat unnecessary, given that there are already laws in all 50 states regarding animal cruelty, but having it federally covered gives this a bit more of a "this is wrong" vibe that animal cruelty truly deserves.

My only concern is: will this impact the meat industry (at least the criminal elements)? Or is there some loophole that will protect those criminal meat factories?

 

[Trunkage]

Hands up everyone who read the title in Professor Farnsworth's voice. Also, the title is a bit vague.

Well, I was quoting Farnsworth but sometimes he'd trick you with actual good news

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I totally thought this was going to be about President Trump - allegedly - saying he was going to declare Drug Cartels terrorist groups.

 

[CaitSeith]

Trump signed PACT. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/26/politics/donald-trump-animal-cruelty-act-signed-trnd/index.html

Animal cruelty (except hunting) is outlawed federally. It's suprising what was still legal before this moment.

Alright, cool! That means the act to protect immigrants from torture is coming soon, right? Right?

 

[Agema]

Just at the moment, I feel the world is working a little bit like bad news is on the magnitude of neo-Nazis have been elected and good news is around the magnitude of someone's rescued a kitten from a tree.

 

[Baffle]

This has me hopeful, like when a known paedophile is trending on Twitter.

Regrettably pretty much everything is still shit.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Seems kind of out of character, since his usual tendency seems to be rolling back protections. Did Obama have nothing to do with this or something. Trump appears to love undoing everything that man enacted.

 

[Trunkage]

Seems kind of out of character, since his usual tendency seems to be rolling back protections. Did Obama have nothing to do with this or something. Trump appears to love undoing everything that man enacted.

He said he was going to take on Big Pharma but, a few months later, quietly reneged on that idea. So he went uncharacteristic to characteristic, probably through some sort of bribe. Which is how we got Big Pharma in the first place (or Big anything). I'm no longer going to listen to Trump, just watch what he does. He's a gonna guy. 'I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that.' And what actually happens is pretty divorced from what he says. His degrading comments against 'Mexicans' leading to internment camps is an example. He was meant to build a wall to keep all those 'rapists and drug dealers' out. The wall was probably never intended to be a reality. The Concentration Camps were, becuase his buds can make some quick bucks off it.

Also, he is a protectionists. He clearly has benefited some industries over others. It's just not protections for consumers or workers.

 

[Schadrach]

I am all for this. It seems at least somewhat unnecessary, given that there are already laws in all 50 states regarding animal cruelty, but having it federally covered gives this a bit more of a "this is wrong" vibe that animal cruelty truly deserves.

My only concern is: will this impact the meat industry (at least the criminal elements)? Or is there some loophole that will protect those criminal meat factories?

Things like this are why I always read the actual bill, instead of using whatever short description gets used to describe it.

PACT specifically prevents engaging in "animal crushing" defined as "actual conduct in which one or more living non-human mammals, birds, reptiles, or amphibians is purposely crushed, burned, drowned, suffocated, impaled, or otherwise subjected to serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 and including conduct that, if committed against a person and in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, would violate section 2241 or 2242)" or creating or distributing "animal crush videos" (defined as "any photograph, motion-picture film, video or digital recording, or electronic image that...depicts animal crushing."

It also includes specific exemptions for "any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that is?
?(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural husbandry, or other animal management practice;
?(B) the slaughter of animals for food;
?(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or pest control;
?(D) medical or scientific research;
?(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a person; or
?(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal."

So it's not some vaguely defined ban on "animal cruelty", it's pretty specific in what conduct is in violation. It also only applies in cases "in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States." That last bit is pretty typical for federal laws, since outside those bounds state law applies.

 

[Baffle]

It also includes specific exemptions for "any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that is?
?(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural husbandry, or other animal management practice;
?(B) the slaughter of animals for food;
?(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or pest control;
?(D) medical or scientific research;
?(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a person; or
?(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal."

So ... almost all cases in which it might actually happen (e.g. overpacking a trailer) seem to be exempt? And it's completely fine if you eat it afterwards?

 

[CaitSeith]

It also includes specific exemptions for "any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that is?
?(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural husbandry, or other animal management practice;
?(B) the slaughter of animals for food;
?(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or pest control;
?(D) medical or scientific research;
?(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a person; or
?(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal."

So ... almost all cases in which it might actually happen (e.g. overpacking a trailer) seem to be exempt? And it's completely fine if you eat it afterwards?

At least there won't be another NEDM


11 years late to the party (and the perpetrators did get arrested back then); but still it's something, I guess... /s

 

[Schadrach]

It also includes specific exemptions for "any conduct, or a visual depiction of that conduct, that is?
?(A) a customary and normal veterinary, agricultural husbandry, or other animal management practice;
?(B) the slaughter of animals for food;
?(C) hunting, trapping, fishing, a sporting activity not otherwise prohibited by Federal law, predator control, or pest control;
?(D) medical or scientific research;
?(E) necessary to protect the life or property of a person; or
?(F) performed as part of euthanizing an animal."

So ... almost all cases in which it might actually happen (e.g. overpacking a trailer) seem to be exempt? And it's completely fine if you eat it afterwards?

I mean, all the cases where it's going to happen at an industrial or commercial scale. But if you wanted to shove cats in a sack and drown them and pass a video of it around the internet, this law would apply.

 

[Baffle]

I mean, all the cases where it's going to happen at an industrial or commercial scale. But if you wanted to shove cats in a sack and drown them and pass a video of it around the internet, this law would apply.

Unless you ate it.