Google Calls Out Bing for Stealing its Search Results

[Ghengis John]

If the question was "What's 2 plus 2" and they both put down "The red pony that stalks the midnight sun at dusk" then yes, it is cheating. L2R article in question.

That proves nothing. They've clearly just both read the "Pony Of The Midnight Sun" novels or watched the "Pony of The Midnight Sun" anime.

"FLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAMIIIIIIIINNNNNNG MAAAAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAANNNE!!!!"

You do it Red Pony! Only you can beat The Black Stallion.

 

[Danpascooch]

If the question was "What's 2 plus 2" and they both put down "The red pony that stalks the midnight sun at dusk" then yes, it is cheating. L2R article in question.

That proves nothing. They've clearly just both read the "Pony Of The Midnight Sun" novels or watched the "Pony of The Midnight Sun" anime.

"FLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAMIIIIIIIINNNNNNG MAAAAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAANE!!!!"

You do it Red Pony! Only you can beat The Black Stallion.

For fucks sake I hope to god you're kidding.

(though I expect you are)

 

[knhirt]

I comprehend but if you read my post in reply to Cain you'll probably grasp what my position on the matter is. I thought you were rooting for Google (get me my ladder, this damn horse is too high) but for what it's worth I never wanted a debate in the first place. I was just commenting on the irony of the situation which I found amusing and a little obnoxious. Frankly I'd prefer nobody "cheated", but if you've done it in the past you forfeit the right to call anyone on it. It's not like upstart Google was calling giant MS out, giant Google and giant MS are in a shoving match. I dunno what the point of shouting is anyhow if nobody has broken a law. Google just inadvertently professed it was spying on MS when it realized MS was spying on them. They're both spying on each other apparently. Surprise.

Fair enough. Sorry 'bout that high horse quip, I get a little irritable late at night.

 

[instantbenz]

who uses bing anyway? google has always been far superior

 

[solidstatemind]

Uhm, important safety tip: until someone accuses Microsoft of breaking laws and proves it? STFU.

Now, let me stipulate something: I'm not defending MS so much as making the statement 'Large, profitable corporations engage in some shady tactics... GOOGLE INCLUDED.' If you don't believe me, just go Google "is Google evil", and you'll find plenty of examples where Google exploited, bullied, coerced, and outright fucked people over.

This is not an aspect of corporate behavior that is limited to Microsoft.

If Google had a legal leg to stand on, the Lawyers would already be involved, but it's pretty clear that they are clinging to the 'Ohhhh GOOGLE! The upstart, do-gooder company. So much better than M$!' sentiment while they still can, because it is impossible to defend against. If you actually dig through the noise and keep up with the various misadventures of Google, you'd find that they are not really all that different from MS.

Take off the blinders and realize that there are no 'white knights'; intelligent, analytical folks know that all the big corporations engage in the same tactics (7-9%??? Really? Do you guys not realize that academia would write that off as 'statistically insignificant' regardless of the content of that percentage???), and it's just a PR battle once you get to a certain point.

 

[Ghengis John]

For fucks sake I hope to god you're kidding.

(though I expect you are)

Your response made my day.

I am. But doesn't it sound just ridiculous enough to be a real thing?

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Fair enough. Sorry 'bout that high horse quip, I get a little irritable late at night.

No problem man. I appreciate the civility. Good to meet you.

-snip-

Interesting theory.

 

[Kuilui]

Wait... People actually use Bing? Also I feel my avatar relates to this topic, heh.

 

[Rayansaki]

If two students took a test and 7-9% of their answers were similar, could you accuse one of the students of cheating?

Also, were there any search results exclusive to Google (that were not advertisements) that appeared in Bing?

I would if they both answered "cokkslap" to 10*2 and "donkeybonerxtreme" to "How many states does America have". Which is what Microsoft answered.

 

[imperialreign]

Interesting theory.

Indeed. I think it might be on to something, too . . .

I've noticed for completely off the wall searches, but strings that are more likely to actually be something a user would type in - the differences between google's and bing's results become drastic.

For example, try searching something like your gamer tag or forum user name, and compare that to earlier results with more common search strings.

It almost makes me wonder - if everyone here searched a unique query in lycos or yahoo, and then everyone chose the same search result (although not the first result), if we would see a similar result on bing that google saw?

 

[squid5580]

Shrug. I remember when Google was up and coming they talked about looking at the code for Lycos and Web Crawler "and it was a mess, we could do better". But they still used those engines as a building block. Now that they're the neighborhood alpha male and a new dog is nipping at their heels they're crying foul. I can understand their frustration, but it's also annoying to see them acting like this.

How is upstart Google comparable to giant monolithic corpo-beast Microsoft?

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? Upstart Google lolz

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? 9-year-old reading comprehension lolz

Read the post I quoted. I'll give you a hint: "I remember when Google was up and coming"

Read what you actually wrote lulz. Sorry I do have the mind reading power of a 9 yr old I hope that doesn't offend you. You know just going on by what you wrote and not the sarcastic tone your voice may have used. Or did you forget that I can't hear you? That is why most people would finish that with [/sarcasm] because they are aware of such facts [/sarcasm]

 

[squid5580]

wait whhhhaaaaa?? 7-9% of the search results came out the same? Even if Bing wasn't copying google (not saying they are or not) you would think the results would be higher.

but in the sting operation they used completely random gibberish.

If google decided to return an article about Stem Cell Research for the search terms "Balloon Honey Awesome Rhinocats" and that happened on Bing too, there is no fucking way that is a coincidence, even at ONE percent.

All I am saying if they want to convince me that Bing is they are going to need more than their opinion, a claim of a higher than a 7-9% success rate and a few screenshots that I could just as easily fake. By simply searching whatever and replacing what is in the search bar with a bunch of gibberish, not hitting enter and taking a screenshot. And on the blog that someone linked that is all they have.

Right now it sounds like Google is afraid. And they are using cheap tactics to smear the competition. Put out some substantial evidence and hey then we can talk. Otherwise it is just their word against MS.

 

[squid5580]

Shrug. I remember when Google was up and coming they talked about looking at the code for Lycos and Web Crawler "and it was a mess, we could do better". But they still used those engines as a building block. Now that they're the neighborhood alpha male and a new dog is nipping at their heels they're crying foul. I can understand their frustration, but it's also annoying to see them acting like this.

How is upstart Google comparable to giant monolithic corpo-beast Microsoft?

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? Upstart Google lolz

I think the point being made is that when Google was using rough base code from other search engines, they were an upstart. Meanwhile, Microsoft's already huge.

I am pretty sure MS was an upstart company at one point as well. Doesn't change the fact now either one are worth a lot more money than I will ever see in my lifetime.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Shrug. I remember when Google was up and coming they talked about looking at the code for Lycos and Web Crawler "and it was a mess, we could do better". But they still used those engines as a building block. Now that they're the neighborhood alpha male and a new dog is nipping at their heels they're crying foul. I can understand their frustration, but it's also annoying to see them acting like this.

How is upstart Google comparable to giant monolithic corpo-beast Microsoft?

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? Upstart Google lolz

I think the point being made is that when Google was using rough base code from other search engines, they were an upstart. Meanwhile, Microsoft's already huge.

I am pretty sure MS was an upstart company at one point as well. Doesn't change the fact now either one are worth a lot more money than I will ever see in my lifetime.

Yes, and at the time Bill Gates pulled all kinds of underhandedness.

 

[Danpascooch]

wait whhhhaaaaa?? 7-9% of the search results came out the same? Even if Bing wasn't copying google (not saying they are or not) you would think the results would be higher.

but in the sting operation they used completely random gibberish.

If google decided to return an article about Stem Cell Research for the search terms "Balloon Honey Awesome Rhinocats" and that happened on Bing too, there is no fucking way that is a coincidence, even at ONE percent.

All I am saying if they want to convince me that Bing is they are going to need more than their opinion, a claim of a higher than a 7-9% success rate and a few screenshots that I could just as easily fake. By simply searching whatever and replacing what is in the search bar with a bunch of gibberish, not hitting enter and taking a screenshot. And on the blog that someone linked that is all they have.

Right now it sounds like Google is afraid. And they are using cheap tactics to smear the competition. Put out some substantial evidence and hey then we can talk. Otherwise it is just their word against MS.

First off, the content in those screenshots is irrefutable proof, look at the shots on the first page that I posted

Secondly, do a Bing search RIGHT now for "delhipublicschool40 chdjob" and the first result you see is

Welcome to the Clyde-Findlay Area Credit Union

A nonprofit cooperative providing a financial products and services to individuals who live, work, or attend school within the Ohio counties of Hancock, Sandusky, and Seneca.
cfacu.org · Cached page"

Those lazy fuckers are too stupid to even take down the proof that the screenshots are real, right there is the sting result google put into its search engine. There is your proof.

Lastly, why are you still fixated on the 7% success rate? You DID look at the terms they used right? Even a 1% success rate is 100% impossible unless they stole from google.

It's the truth, deal with it.

 

[squid5580]

Shrug. I remember when Google was up and coming they talked about looking at the code for Lycos and Web Crawler "and it was a mess, we could do better". But they still used those engines as a building block. Now that they're the neighborhood alpha male and a new dog is nipping at their heels they're crying foul. I can understand their frustration, but it's also annoying to see them acting like this.

How is upstart Google comparable to giant monolithic corpo-beast Microsoft?

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? Upstart Google lolz

I think the point being made is that when Google was using rough base code from other search engines, they were an upstart. Meanwhile, Microsoft's already huge.

I am pretty sure MS was an upstart company at one point as well. Doesn't change the fact now either one are worth a lot more money than I will ever see in my lifetime.

Yes, and at the time Bill Gates pulled all kinds of underhandedness.

And look at where he is now. Remember kids nice guys do finish last.

 

[squid5580]

wait whhhhaaaaa?? 7-9% of the search results came out the same? Even if Bing wasn't copying google (not saying they are or not) you would think the results would be higher.

but in the sting operation they used completely random gibberish.

If google decided to return an article about Stem Cell Research for the search terms "Balloon Honey Awesome Rhinocats" and that happened on Bing too, there is no fucking way that is a coincidence, even at ONE percent.

All I am saying if they want to convince me that Bing is they are going to need more than their opinion, a claim of a higher than a 7-9% success rate and a few screenshots that I could just as easily fake. By simply searching whatever and replacing what is in the search bar with a bunch of gibberish, not hitting enter and taking a screenshot. And on the blog that someone linked that is all they have.

Right now it sounds like Google is afraid. And they are using cheap tactics to smear the competition. Put out some substantial evidence and hey then we can talk. Otherwise it is just their word against MS.

First off, the content in those screenshots is irrefutable proof, look at the shots on the first page that I posted

Secondly, do a Bing search RIGHT now for "delhipublicschool40 chdjob" and the first result you see is

Welcome to the Clyde-Findlay Area Credit Union

A nonprofit cooperative providing a financial products and services to individuals who live, work, or attend school within the Ohio counties of Hancock, Sandusky, and Seneca.
cfacu.org · Cached page"

Those lazy fuckers are too stupid to even take down the proof that the screenshots are real, right there is the sting result google put into its search engine. There is your proof.

Lastly, why are you still fixated on the 7% success rate? You DID look at the terms they used right? Even a 1% success rate is 100% impossible unless they stole from google.

It's the truth, deal with it.

Of course I used the terms THEY used. And I am standing by what I believe. When an unbiased company reports the same thing. When an unbiased company researches and comes forth to say the only way this could happen is if Bing stole it from Google and there is no room for coincidence then I will deal with this truth you speak of. Until then there is no truth just one company's word against another.

Although I don't know how I will deal with such pain should that day ever come. Being proven wrong on the internet. I don't think cutting myself will be enough.

 

[Emergent]

I'm not exactly sure there is anything to call foul on here. Unless Microsoft is illegally accessing Google's servers for information (which is not what is what is being claimed by Google), they are only making excellent use of information provided by the public and made available to the public for their own private profit, which is EXACTLY what Google does with the same information. Google is already much too comfortable in their position of profiting enormously off the data-mining of the world's internet traffic, and are upset that someone else is getting into the game, too.

 

[Bobbity]

Microsoft said that the experiment seemed like an effort by Google to try and confuse the data and make Bing less effective.

No, really? Microsoft is basically stealing data from Google, and they seem surprised and hurt when Google tries to prove it? Wow. Steve Ballmer is, well, perhaps that's better left unsaid.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

I'm not exactly sure there is anything to call foul on here. Unless Microsoft is illegally accessing Google's servers for information (which is not is what is being claimed), they are only making excellent use of information provided by the public and made available to the public for private profit, EXACTLY what Google does with the same information. Google is already much too comfortable in their position of profiting enormously off the data-mining of the world's internet traffic, and are only upset that someone else is getting into the game, too.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html You should read this, it'll explain things better.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Shrug. I remember when Google was up and coming they talked about looking at the code for Lycos and Web Crawler "and it was a mess, we could do better". But they still used those engines as a building block. Now that they're the neighborhood alpha male and a new dog is nipping at their heels they're crying foul. I can understand their frustration, but it's also annoying to see them acting like this.

How is upstart Google comparable to giant monolithic corpo-beast Microsoft?

Did I fall asleep and wake up 10 years ago? Upstart Google lolz

I think the point being made is that when Google was using rough base code from other search engines, they were an upstart. Meanwhile, Microsoft's already huge.

I am pretty sure MS was an upstart company at one point as well. Doesn't change the fact now either one are worth a lot more money than I will ever see in my lifetime.

Yes, and at the time Bill Gates pulled all kinds of underhandedness.

And look at where he is now. Remember kids nice guys do finish last.

But that's no reason to keep being a dick once you can crush someone by shifting your weight, is it? (ok, this analogy falls apart now simply by existing)