Grandpa Tastes Concrete Over Videogames

Ashannon Blackthorn

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I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :p
 

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Ashannon Blackthorn said:
I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :p
For crying out loud, HE WAS CUFFED. You normally need your hands to stab people.

The police is there to protect and serve the citizens of their country. The moment law abiding citizens have reason to fear the police, there's something wrong.

Edit: Wow, american wallmart customers must be the lowest lowlifes I've ever seen, if that video is correct.
"Call 991!"
"HURR DURRR WHY U R HURT MAN?!"

*guy steps forward to help*
"OMG LET DA POLIZ DO DEIR JOBZ ROFL Durrr"

What a fucking band of clowns. I'm so happy there's an ocean between us.
 

Something Amyss

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One wonders how much of a threat he was to merit a face full of concrete.

Seriously, unless this Grandfather was on steroids or something, it's hard to imagine a situation where the need for this kind of force isn't really sad on some level. Right now, all I got is alien or demonic possession.

Freaky Lou said:
Actually witnesses say it was because he needed his hands free to help his grandkid with something.
Regardless, it's hard to call it shoplifting.

What's odd is, generally speaking, one has to attempt to not pay before it's actually shoplifting. On Black Friday, with all the people who will grab something from you and even assault you for your purchases, I'd be surprised if there weren't a bunch of people doing similar without a grandkid nearby.
 

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You know it's incredibly easy to make a cop look bad if you decide to record at the right moment.
 

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oh no, and now a lot of people are going to be saying 'f*** the police', and going on about how evil they are. The cop in question really has no excuse, but hopefully most of us here won't judge an entire organisation by the action of one of its members.
 

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Read the article.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/26/justice/arizona-walmart-arrest/index.html

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Jerald Newman, 54, spent Friday night in a Maricopa County jail hours after being arrested.

David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among the crowd shopping for video games set up in the Walmart's grocery section. He said Newman "was not resisting" arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.

That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and "slammed him face first into the ground."

"It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that's how bad it was," he said.
"
 

Ashannon Blackthorn

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TheBelgianGuy said:
Ashannon Blackthorn said:
I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :p
For crying out loud, HE WAS CUFFED. You normally need your hands to stab people.

The police is there to protect and serve the citizens of their country. The moment law abiding citizens have reason to fear the police, there's something wrong.

Edit: Wow, american wallmart customers must be the lowest lowlifes I've ever seen, if that video is correct.
"Call 991!"
"HURR DURRR WHY U R HURT MAN?!"

*guy steps forward to help*
"OMG LET DA POLIZ DO DEIR JOBZ ROFL Durrr"

What a fucking band of clowns. I'm so happy there's an ocean between us.
So what about, "we don't know what happened before they cuffed him" are you failing to grasp? That video starts off with the guy on the ground, cuffed and bleeding. We have no idea what happened before that. For all we know he was going bananas and the cops had to throw him to the ground to get him to stop.

Again, we don;t know everything that lead up to that video starting. If we get the stuff that happened before we can better judge. If it proven the cop was over the line, throw the book at him and fire him from the force. Simple as that. But stop being judgmental when we don't have all the facts.
 

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Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them.
Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact.
People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law
they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them.
You scare me. That you even accept this and do not question it or seem to disagree with it is utterly terrifying.

I mean, I could see this in Egypt or Libya...

The police are supposed to be there to serve and protect.

That some people are starting to see and accept them as some kind of violent force who can do whatever they want is terrifying in and of itself.
 

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Abandon4093 said:
ZeZZZZevy said:
Isn't it shoplifting only if you attempt to leave the store without paying for the item? I was under the impression that you could put it anywhere (within reason) between where it sits and the checkout line.
That's what I was thinking. Until he'd left the store it doesn't matter where he puts the game. There's no intent to shoplift until he's out of the store.

This just sounds like another instance of stupid police doing stupid shit. I'm really finding it hard to defend them lately.
They're hard to defend because only bad cops end up in the news. You hardly(if ever) hear stories about good cops, because bad cops are the only ones reported.
 

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P: "Sir, could you please remove the disc from your pants?"
G: "Why don't you come here and get it yourself"
*after cuffing him policeman tries to get the game from geezers waist"
G: "Mhhhmm that's not a video-game sonny, but you keep trying"
*policeman smashes grandpa's face on concrete floor*

(yes I know I'm going to hell)

All distasteful jokes aside, this cases are becoming quite common all around the globe. Here, we don't have nearly as much of violent crimes as Americans do and policeman rarely get shot/stabbed on duty but recently a 16-year old was taken into police custody and bullied (beaten) for 5 hours. Reason? He was outside after 11 PM without adult escort. Since then, "investigation" was started, official and individual apologies were issued, but no-one was suspended or fired. Now I can somewhat understand police officers are just human beings too; they have a stressful job that keeps them on edge, but having a permission to beat the ever loving shit out of somebody, claim he was "resisting arrest" and just get a unofficial slap on the wrist and be on your merry way is a terrifying thing indeed. But I guess it's common practice for employees (especially government ones) to take their frustrations out on somebody else, but it usually involves yelling, or being snarky, or harassing your assistant, not smashing somebody's face on concrete floor.
 

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TheBelgianGuy said:
TheBelgianGuy said:
So what about, "we don't know what happened before they cuffed him" are you failing to grasp? That video starts off with the guy on the ground, cuffed and bleeding. We have no idea what happened before that. For all we know he was going bananas and the cops had to throw him to the ground to get him to stop.

Again, we don;t know everything that lead up to that video starting. If we get the stuff that happened before we can better judge. If it proven the cop was over the line, throw the book at him and fire him from the force. Simple as that. But stop being judgmental when we don't have all the facts.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. So what about, you're the one who doesn't want to read?

"
Jerald Newman, 54, spent Friday night in a Maricopa County jail hours after being arrested.

David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among the crowd shopping for video games set up in the Walmart's grocery section. He said Newman "was not resisting" arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.

That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and "slammed him face first into the ground."

"It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that's how bad it was," he said.
"
Maybe read before you're judging other people for judging FACTS?[/quote]
 

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This Black Friday thing is getting ridiculous, the retail industry needs to end this madness and yes, I am putting this at the feet of the retailers for encouraging almost riot-like situations in their highly competitive sales where stores are so crammed full of people to get sales where there are not enough to go around! Retailing is a subtle art and they cannot expect the police to solve a bad situation, the retailers should work to not let it get that bad in the first place! For example, make Black Friday into Black Weekend and make offers to discounts on orders so even if stock is gone they can still buy at somewhat discount prices to collect later. Just enough of this mad rush with stores so crowded that those RESPONSIBLE lose control of the situation.

As to the OP, I suggest you walk a mile in a man's shoes before you tell him how to do his job. It is VERY HARD to arrest people who are increasingly likely to be armed or have allies who are armed. So many police officers have gone soft on suspects and paid for their kindness with their life or limb.

I read court briefing of a cop who "arrested" a woman and put her in the back seat of his cruiser without handcuffing her, she pulled out a Saturday night special and shot him in the back of the head, later some police officers arrived and found their colleague had died from massive blood loss after trying to crawl for help half paralysed. The suspect was still locked in the back of the cruiser, she had shot the cop to spite it not aiding her escape in any way, she had no real reason to do it but did anyway.

THIS is why cops are so rough with suspects, because in a 40 year career you make the habit of giving them an inch one day someone will take it! I disagree with the term "slamming face into ground" that implies that the arresting officer particularly held the HEAD and pushed the head into the ground. Really, if you resist the police WILL put you down as quickly as they can as if they get into the habit to wrestling in fair terms they will lose the upper hand TOO often. And a likely outcome of that is minor injury. A bleeding nose is very messy when you can't raise your hand to cover it, but unless you suffocate it is not serious.

You are seriously putting yourself in harms way when you try to detain anyone, people over-react and who never have a history of violence panic and do things they might never have done.

And take a look at this from another perspective: this is an old white-guy, traditionally the group that gets a free-pass from the police who supposedly only target young-non-white groups. What would it say if the cops just told-off the older white guy and escorted him away without being given due process (handcuffs, searching, questioning, and then DA sentencing)

"Grandpa grandpa!" the little kid says

Is that supposed to be more shocking than if an old black lady says:

"That's my grandson!" the black lady says to the arresting officer.

Are police supposed to be ashamed of arresting an old white guy? Because "oooh, old white people never commit crimes it's normally ethnic kids, what am I doing?"[/sarc] that's what I detect with the supposed significance of the little white kid exclaiming "grandpa!" in this event. He put a game down his pants, now that might have an innocent explanation but if there isn't he is under arrest till then, and needs to accept he has brought suspicion to be arrested and not resist.

I will give the police officer the benefit of the doubt.

I will doubt "witness testimony". Anyone who has read enough "witness testimony" of UFO sightings should know how unreliable they are, exaggerating Jumbo Jets into alien spaceships. Witnesses are only valuable under thorough cross examination and with corroboration.
 

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Raddra said:
Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them.
Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact.
People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law
they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them.
You scare me. That you even accept this and do not question it or seem to disagree with it is utterly terrifying.

I mean, I could see this in Egypt or Libya...

The police are supposed to be there to serve and protect.

That some people are starting to see and accept them as some kind of violent force who can do whatever they want is terrifying in and of itself.
What's more terrifying is you seem to imply it's okay to resist an officers orders or contest them. It's not. They have the court system for that. If you receive a lawful order, you must do it, it's not a choice. That's how the system works.
 

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Wow. All i can say is if you live in the US and you see any kind of event going down involving the police, whip your phone out and start filming. No matter what. That way people can know the truth for sure.

Treblaine said:
I will give the police officer the benefit of the doubt.
Why does the officer get the benefit of the doubt but the old man is portray as someone who panicked and had the potential to possibly kill your righteous officer according to the example of what could happen if a policeman lets his guard down.

It's ok being skeptical to both sides but being biased in this way is bullshit.

Think for yourself, question authority.
 

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Eri said:
What's more terrifying is you seem to imply it's okay to resist an officers orders or contest them. It's not. They have the court system for that. If you receive a lawful order, you must do it, it's not a choice. That's how the system works.
Sure lawful order. But police also very often try to trample your rights.

Say filming or photographing in puplic property is perfectly legal, yet there are dozens of videos in youtube where police tries to tell you differently. You are perfectly within your rights to tell them to get lost if they try to insist othervise.

On this op case too, unless Arizona laws are really moronic, you can't be shoplifting unless you leave the store so it really isn't lawful for police to start handguffing people inside shop for possible shoplifting.