Hey. I heard you booked this flight legally. GET OFF THE F***ING PLANE!!!!

[kenu12345]

God damn, that's horrible. Not as bad as some of the comments in here though. Jees people, I don't know if you recognise but more than just millenials are getting angry bout this so stop using this as an excuse bout how your generation is superior and people should expect to get kicked out of things and have their ass beat for purchasing a plane ticket

 

[RaikuFA]

They could have picked another passenger. They could have upped their offer.

And for how much they're losing from bad PR and the inevitable lawsuit, they could have chartered a plane for their employees instead of forcing a Doctor who had patients to get back too off the plane, mauling him in the process.

But keep backing the authoritarians, I guess.

Didn't you know? Doctors are nothing but spoiled millenials. The authoritarians are in the right to do this.

Yeah, he should have joined the Corps and learned to take abuse without complaint like a good little citizen. Always submit unquestioningly to authority or the millennials win.

It worked for Vincent D'Onofrio.

 

[KissingSunlight]

God damn, that's horrible. Not as bad as some of the comments in here though. Jees people, I don't know if you recognise but more than just millenials are getting angry bout this so stop using this as an excuse bout how your generation is superior and people should expect to get kicked out of things and have their ass beat for purchasing a plane ticked

I am going to agree with you about one point. The attitude that gets contributed to millennials. I have seen people of all ages exhibit. I contribute that more to the internet telling them how special and entitled they are.

One point I am going to disagree with you is...You do know that this guy didn't get "ass beat" for purchasing a ticket? This guy obnoxiously refused to leave the plane when asked to. When he was being escorted off the plane, he refused to stand on his feet. He was passively-resisting by lying down on the ground being as much of dead weight as possible. To make it more difficult on the security guy to force him to leave.

Seriously, FUCK this guy!

 

[kenu12345]

God damn, that's horrible. Not as bad as some of the comments in here though. Jees people, I don't know if you recognise but more than just millenials are getting angry bout this so stop using this as an excuse bout how your generation is superior and people should expect to get kicked out of things and have their ass beat for purchasing a plane ticked

I am going to agree with you about one point. The attitude that gets contributed to millennials. I have seen people of all ages exhibit. I contribute that more to the internet telling them how special and entitled they are.

One point I am going to disagree with you is...You do know that this guy didn't get "ass beat" for purchasing a ticket? This guy obnoxiously refused to leave the plane when asked to. When he was being escorted off the plane, he refused to stand on his feet. He was passively-resisting by lying down on the ground being as much of dead weight as possible. To make it more difficult on the security guy to force him to leave.

Seriously, FUCK this guy!

Excessive force was used on a paying customer for the plane. I would be apt to say fuck these particular guards. In no circumstance should they have stooped to beating him til he was bleeding out the mouth. As stated in the thread, the airline was in the wrong here. They breached the regulations and called in guards who went far beyond what they should have. Seriously, BLESS this guy!

 

[Pyrian]

Pentagon awards contract to United Airlines to forcibly remove Assad from Syria [http://www.duffelblog.com/2017/04/pentagon-awards-contract-united-airlines-forcibly-remove-assad/]

(Yes, it's a joke.)

 

[Schadrach]

Selling the same car twice is illegal. Selling the same food twice is illegal. selling the same sports arena seat twice is illegal. Selling the same plane seat twice is perfectly fine?

There are other things you can "sell twice." For example, some goods that are cut to size as part of a fabrication process are cheaper to purchase at a manufacturer standard size then cut in house rather than buy pre-cut pieces. In turn, you can then bill for the standard size pieces and labor to cut (which is cheaper than billing for a piece cut by distributor, so the customer wins out here), and if two orders happen to require pieces that can be cut from a single standard size piece then you bill each customer for such a piece but only buy one.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Best part is, the guy was a doctor who needed to get back to his patients so he could help them.

This is some supervillain-style evil.

Seriously though, fantastic PR. Great work on your public image guys, 10/10.

 

[kenu12345]

Excessive force was used on a paying customer for the plane. I would be apt to say fuck these particular guards. In no circumstance should they have stooped to beating him til he was bleeding out the mouth. As stated in the thread, the airline was in the wrong here. They breached the regulations and called in guards who went far beyond what they should have. Seriously, BLESS this guy!

Yeah, this guy and his criminal behavior of having doctor's appointments to get to.

Swear to god, if you've ever referred to leftists, SJWs, or feminists criticizing video games as "the authoritarian left", I hope you get an inconvenient rash.

You literally make my case for me without me having to say a word. How does it feel to be walking stereotypes?

Nobody was "beaten till they were bleeding from the mouth", nor was excessive force used. He failed to comply with verbal commands given by a law enforcement officer (not a "security guard"), and his lip was split while he was resisting being physically removed from his seat (a situation he created by refusing to comply with the officer's verbal commands). Nobody "beat" him. The airline was in the RIGHT here, and they used appropriate force as necessitated by this man's belligerency.

How does this guy being a doctor make him more important than any other paying customer on board this plane? Are the other passengers not as important somehow? It's funny how the leftists selectively enforce their morals and shove their feelings down everyone's throat, then somehow have the balls to whine about "authoritarianism". I hope your Guy Fawkes mask wearing ass is the first one drafted.

At this point, I am assuming you just didn't watch it cause yes he was. Look at the videos, the guy is freaking bleeding from his mouth. Lying doesn't help your case. It's also funny how you become a walking stereotype yourself by assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you is an evil leftist sissie who wear Guy Fawkes masks, I hate anon. This would have been just as bad with anyone else. Get over your black and white world view. Seriously. https://youtu.be/XHyOTEpUHIU?t=1m59s

 

[Felstaff]

I'm siding with the guy here; Dr Dau. Media's starting to drag his name through the mud [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4401980/Dr-dragged-United-swapped-drugs-secret-gay-sex.html], but that's to be expected from the gutter press. Notice how nothing about this guy's past is relevant to the situation, no matter how many times they scream 'homosexual!', as though it's still a crime to be one.

The one thing that puts United fully at fault here:

Flight 3411 from Chicago to Louisville was overbooked. After our team looked for volunteers, one customer refused to leave the aircraft voluntarily and law enforcement was asked to come to the gate.

Now, the definition of volunteer is to undertake or offer a decision based on one's own free will. If someone doesn't do something voluntarily, then forcing them to do it when they refuse means that it wasn't voluntary in the first place. That wording right there is enough of a case for Dr. Dau to sue the pants off United. Also, wiping $500,000,000 from their stocks might get them to reconsider the unnecessary use of force and overbooking, which is a practice purely for profitable means. I bet having a practice of leaving at least 4 seats unallocated until United confirms no extra staff needs to be onboard would not cost them $500,000,000 (plus all the negative PR shooing people to take alternative airlines) in lost revenue.

Also, had a quick look at United's conditions of carriage:

If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA?s boarding priority

They say 'denied boarding'. In this case, the passenger had already boarded, meaning that they had no grounds for forcible removal. There's stuff about removal of passengers (Rule 21 [https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21]) but none of those caveats would apply to Dr. Dau.

United dropped the ball on this one, big time. Violence against a law-abiding paying customer who followed all the rules and has every right to refuse the act of volunteering is completely unwarranted, no matter how much of an asshole he allegedly was (one first-hand witness didn't think this was the case [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/ct-united-flight-3411-man-dragged-witness-20170411-story.html], and it was the ticket agent who was being rude. As an eyewitness, I believe them over any journalistic reports). I think most people here feel the same way. I'm not anti-authoritarian, for the most part, but this reeks of insidious brutality from an authority figure overstepping their bounds, which is an all-too common criticism of authority in the United States in general.

 

[Cycloptomese]

Too much to be outrage too quickly! I've barely come off the dopamine from the Pepsi commercial! The cushion-punching impotent rage is too much to handle!

 

[kenu12345]

Lying doesn't help your case. It's also funny how you become a walking stereotype yourself by assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you is an evil leftist sissie who wear Guy Fawkes masks, I hate anon. This would have been just as bad with anyone else. Get over your black and white world view. Seriously. https://youtu.be/XHyOTEpUHIU?t=1m59s

Lying? Hardly. Being dragged out of your seat does not equal being "beaten". If you believe it does, then you've clearly never gotten the beating your ass clearly needs, so in words you could understand "check your privelage".

Oh yeah, my bad for assuming the guy (the other guy I quoted in previous post) who used a guy fawkes avatar was a "guy fawkes wearing sissie". I guess that somehow makes me a stereotype of what, somebvody who judges peoples' avatars? Or maybe shame on you for foaming at the mouth and rushing to hit the "post" button before you think for 2 seconds about what you're typing.

Thanks for proving my point about being a stereotypical dumbass triggered millennial who posts about feelings, not facts.

And there you go again, assuming. You just don't stop do you with proving other people right

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Funny thing, I just read a Toronto Sun's article of Dr. David Dao, the man pulled from the plane.

And they go on to talk about his personal troubles before the incident. His license suspension, inappropriate behavior with an office manager... Many things that have nothing to do with the incident. In fact, it has the line "But Dao is far from whistling clean." [http://www.torontosun.com/2017/04/11/dr-david-dao-the-united-passenger-bloodied-and-dragged-off-flight-is-a-poker-playing-doc-with-a-sordid-past].

Literally 57 words of this 332 word article is devoted to the actual incident. The rest goes to talking about this man's personal life.

I hate this practice. It only goes to strengthening prejudices one way or the other. Incidents are based in the present, not the actions of the past. I do not care if someone was an Altar boy and a Rhodes Scholar if he's found to have sexually molested children. I do not care if a person was a gang banger if he jumped into a river and gave his life to save someone else. All that really matters is the event and the mindsets during that event, not years in the past.

If Dao was coked out of his mind during the incident, that matters. If he hasn't touched the stuff in ten years, his past doesn't matter. Just like if the airplane official who picked Dao out had priors for drunken and disorderly, it would only come to play if the official was drunk at the time. If he wasn't, it would only serve as prejudicial reasoning for those of us who want to point at people who are imperfect in our eyes in order to sneer at them or feel superior over.

 

[Baffle]

Can't help but feel I'd rather a doctor got to work next day than an air steward. I think it's key that the airline hit a certain point in the offer process of trying to entice people to get another flight and then said 'You know what, this is too expensive, let's just beat this guy up instead, that's practically free!'

 

[kenu12345]

Yet here I am still posting. Well, while I've got the power, I might as well say that this site is the biggest loser circle jerk on the internet. No wonder your community is dying when nobody can voice an opinion that isn't exactly in lock step with the politically correct elite. I get flagged for "being rude" every time I post, yet the people who are rude to me never get punished because theirt opinions are popular. Fuck cencorship, fuck the escapist, and fuck you too.

You being banned for throwing around insults and generally being unpleasant when someone didn't agree with you isn't censorship. That thought process is just plain silly. 'I did something wrong and got banned. CENSORSHIP!'

 

[Nielas]

The one thing that puts United fully at fault here:

Flight 3411 from Chicago to Louisville was overbooked. After our team looked for volunteers, one customer refused to leave the aircraft voluntarily and law enforcement was asked to come to the gate.

Now, the definition of volunteer is to undertake or offer a decision based on one's own free will. If someone doesn't do something voluntarily, then forcing them to do it when they refuse means that it wasn't voluntary in the first place. That wording right there is enough of a case for Dr. Dau to sue the pants off United. Also, wiping $500,000,000 from their stocks might get them to reconsider the unnecessary use of force and overbooking, which is a practice purely for profitable means. I bet having a practice of leaving at least 4 seats unallocated until United confirms no extra staff needs to be onboard would not cost them $500,000,000 (plus all the negative PR shooing people to take alternative airlines) in lost revenue.

Also, had a quick look at United's conditions of carriage:

If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA?s boarding priority

They say 'denied boarding'. In this case, the passenger had already boarded, meaning that they had no grounds for forcible removal. There's stuff about removal of passengers (Rule 21 [https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21]) but none of those caveats would apply to Dr. Dau.

United dropped the ball on this one, big time. Violence against a law-abiding paying customer who followed all the rules and has every right to refuse the act of volunteering is completely unwarranted, no matter how much of an asshole he allegedly was (one first-hand witness didn't think this was the case [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/letters/ct-united-flight-3411-man-dragged-witness-20170411-story.html], and it was the ticket agent who was being rude. As an eyewitness, I believe them over any journalistic reports). I think most people here feel the same way. I'm not anti-authoritarian, for the most part, but this reeks of insidious brutality from an authority figure overstepping their bounds, which is an all-too common criticism of authority in the United States in general.

From what I understand, FAA regulations give the airline the right to remove a passenger involuntarily if the plane is overbooked and it does not matter if the flight has boarded yet or not. However, there is a a precise protocol that they need to follow including presenting the passengers with a written copy of the rules for this situation and notifying them of their rights to compensation. It will be interesting to see if they have followed that here.

In this case any passenger involuntarily removed, would be eligible for at least $1350 in compensation and more if financial damages could be demonstrated due to the delay (he would have to wait almost a day for another flight)