Hideo Kojima's Making MGS5 Characters More "Erotic" For Cosplay
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That wasn't quite the same thing as this. Raiden was about marketing to a perceived untapped demographic in order to broaden MGS's potential audience, this is basically Kojima trying to put Soul Calibur 4 logic in to his universe of relatively serious stealth action series. If it were a bonus unlockable or a side feature or something like that it would make sense but this sounds more like he's revising character designs solely so people will say "oooh that's a hot cgi model, I wanna dress up like that hot cgi model"NeedsaBetterName22 said:
It's just stupid. It's like taking Call of Duty and filling it with colored ponies in order to get bronies more interested in the games. lol
Your original remark was about objectifying characters for money...which is exactly what Raiden was, by your own description (i.e. marketing to a perceived untapped demographic through a sexualized male figure). And once again, this is not new. Your 'relatively serious stealth series' includes the Beauty and the Beast Unit, which was redesigned multiple times, each time becoming more sexualized. In fact, the final version Kojima wanted the most (where the women would be naked rather than in catsuits when they got out of their mechs) had to be dropped because of censorship laws. Yeah, Kojima never redesigns characters for sex appeal.LazyAza said:
Designing characters to look 'sexy' or 'cool' has been an issue with Kojima in the past.
Or rather, that he shoehorns it in in a way that makes no sense or retracts from the experience.
Take the Beauty and the Beast-unit in MGS4 and how creepy their sexualisation was. They were supermodels for no narrative reason, and we're not characterized at all, apart from that they were all mentally unstable, broken and taken advantage of.
So here, make them pose for you and stare at their ass!
Or rather, that he shoehorns it in in a way that makes no sense or retracts from the experience.
Take the Beauty and the Beast-unit in MGS4 and how creepy their sexualisation was. They were supermodels for no narrative reason, and we're not characterized at all, apart from that they were all mentally unstable, broken and taken advantage of.
So here, make them pose for you and stare at their ass!
People forget that this is the game series about men in tight spandex sneaking suits, a lady sniper with an always exposed cleavage, staring at a women's assets to spot them, shirtless fist-fighting atop a broken robot, a women in a one-piece who could deflect bullets, and running around naked in a giant space ship thing. This isn't even mentioning the BB Corps from MGS4, who were originally going to be naked (although it's not like their suits leave much to the imagination anyways).
Maybe he took more of Avi Arad's advices seriously. You know, like the whole voice thing. I hope he doesn't listen to him too often though. I wouldn't enjoy seeing the Metal Gear Solid franchise turn into another Hollywood extension filled with utter crap to appeal to the hordes of brain dead wankers out there.
Kojima's a little bit strange isn't he? I mean, even for the Japanese, let's be honest everything's a little weird over there but he seems to stand head and shoulders above the rest.
You mean tweets like this one?rbstewart7263 said:
https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/375142795779923968
I have no issue with sex appeal, I just dislike that the reason he is doing it is to make more money from merch (and cosplaying, in his defense). If he had said he changed the character design because he loves T&A we'd all be giggling and saying 'Kojima you little rascal!The_Echo said:Oh, c'mon. Sex appeal has been in Metal Gear since Solid 1.CriticalMiss said:One more franchise to not be interested in any more
'. And it makes you wonder what else will be changed to make the game more profitable, like will there be a talking dog sidekick and a large number of collectible pocket sized monsters that Snake must collect in their entirety to become a Metal Gear Master. Plus an anime series, which probably would be funny to watch if I'm honest.
I think he is, especially after all the feminism/sexism etc in games forum stuff we have had on here recently. I think the idea for me is, why just make a character erotic just for the sake of it? But then Quiet is just a girl in a bikini.....yeah no girl has ever worn a bikini before. An from some anime cos players ive seen, they would easily do this. My only worry would be what kind of erotic male figures will he do? Knowing him something similar to Voldo from Soul Calibre.Teoes said:
If the person cosplaying wants to present themselves that way, I'm not going to stop them. Maybe they even want feedback from their fans on what new sexy cosplay they want. I just hope they know what they are getting into and are able to keep themselves safe doing the thing they love.wulf3n said:
It just seems to bug me when another person expects this kind of attitude from all cosplayers. Kojima seems like he wants cosplayers to do this regardless of their stance on being sexy or not, which is a pretty big ask for a lot of people that do it. Maybe if he requested a well known cosplayer who likes to dress sexy, it wouldn't bother me so much, but all of them is a tall ask in my book.
At the same time...I also just realized that Kojima wasn't just asking female cosplayers to do this either. So if there is one guy out there that is willing to dress up in the outfit Kojima requested, I'd be okay with that.
Sounds like you weren't interested, or rather well informed on it, in the first place if you think this is a change of pace for the series. Titty Snake? I mean really, Kojima's an ass man and we all know it. Otherwise Old Snake wouldn't have had those like 20 minutes of closeups on his what can only be described as lovingly crafted rear end in MGS4. And any of the moments over the course of the series where you could go first person to see the perv glances Snake or BB are taking, nine times out of ten he is looking at butts, not cleavage.CriticalMiss said:You've got to love it when a game designer creates his characters based on what will sell more merchandise. He should just come straight out and make a Metal Gear Sexy: Tactical Erotic Action. The collectors edition could have a full sized Titty Snake love pillow and a pair of soiled tactical panties.
One more franchise to not be interested in any more
OT: THE MASTER RUSEMAN STRIKES AGAIN! Oh Kojima you beautiful troll, never change.
Another reason for me to be thankful that I play my games behind closed doors.
Now we just need to play the game to find out which character ends up soiling himself.
Now we just need to play the game to find out which character ends up soiling himself.
What, no love for the insane post-modernism of MGS2? That stuff has held up surprisingly well, and I think it's hilarious that a lot of developers are taking credit right now for exploring the player-player character divide when Kojima beat them to the punch years ago (and was basically totally ignored).Retrograde said:Also, he gave us this. He's done more good for this medium than any number of feminists ever will, ever, by the mere fact that while some ***** like the irrelevant little children they are, others create. Love him or hate him, gaming is a better place for his deciding to dedicate himself to it and we need more like him.
Where are the western devs with any kind of balls eh? Most of those shills are after the quick sale or the next big franchise and the rest are too terrified of winding anybody up to stretch any sort of boundary.
