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Blah blah blah, denial and deflection. Anyone paying the scantest bit of attention is well aware doxxing and harassment were widespread and commonplace in online right wing communities for an age, and you're not going to make people forget that by slinging mud now.
Ok if we're playing that game of making statements, I get to make use of this (I mean unless you'd like to admit you're just reliant on a fallacy here)

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Do they need to is the question?
Because there's a hell of a lot of pieces of media out there that are now bad by that logic because they innocently used tropes that came from lets say old attitudes towards things even if they were use innocently.
That shit's got a time limit man, and it's *very* common to acknowledge that that shit *was* actually racist and didn't age well.
 
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That shit's got a time limit man, and it's *very* common to acknowledge that that shit *was* actually racist and didn't age well.
And yet it is still used and media using it isn't obliged to call it out or make big statements about it.

That some interpretations of goblins were based on antiseminist ideas but we also can't be 100% sure because of how cultural things are adopted by certain groups etc etc still apparently needs Hogwarts Legacy to explicitly call it out or something just seems well hypocritical if it's fine for so many other pieces of media to use tropes that also came from "problematic" origins.
 

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Ok if we're playing that game of making statements, I get to make use of this (I mean unless you'd like to admit you're just reliant on a fallacy here)

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Imagine needing a citation for something this widely known and acknowledged.

Anyway. Examples would be the Nuremberg Files doxxing abortion providers; 8chan, where its openly acknowledged and the founder says there's nothing to be done; Kiwifarms; & /b/.
 

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Imagine needing a citation for something this widely known and acknowledged.
That's the beauty of arguing in bad faith. No evidence against you exists or counts, everybody is wrong but you, and you never have to admit to even having been slightly off the mark.

Also, just a reminder that perpetual victimhood is a critical building block of the fascist mindset because it gives them excuses to treat other people like shit, which is their real intention.
 

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That's the beauty of arguing in bad faith. No evidence against you exists or counts, everybody is wrong but you, and you never have to admit to even having been slightly off the mark.

Also, just a reminder that perpetual victimhood is a critical building block of the fascist mindset because it gives them excuses to treat other people like shit, which is their real intention.
Yet people like that will always call others snowflakes or be loud and proud with the whole "survival if it is mindset", until they get caught or get their asses kicked. Then they'll start running and crying for their mommies or expected to be babied by the people they were hurting and harassing. Screaming for "humanity", when it was never given nor earned. Sad and beyond pathetic. As expected by actual bullies and cowards.
 

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Imagine needing a citation for something this widely known and acknowledged.
Yep just like it's widely know that WITCHES EXIST and WE NEED TO BRUN THEM TO APPEASE GOD.

Sorry couldn't resist the actually tie in humour of that statement.

But yeh Widely known and Acknowledged = not always what actually is true or happened.



Anyway. Examples would be the Nuremberg Files doxxing abortion providers;
Had to google this one, according to wikipedia even anti abortion groups denounced the guy lol.


8chan, where its openly acknowledged and the founder says there's nothing to be done; Kiwifarms; & /b/.
8 chan and Kiwi farms are mostly trolls. /b/ goes after anyone when they believe lines have been crossed or action is needed. E.G. going after the woman who put a cat in a bin.
 
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Imagine needing a citation for something this widely known and acknowledged.

Anyway. Examples would be the Nuremberg Files doxxing abortion providers; 8chan, where its openly acknowledged and the founder says there's nothing to be done; Kiwifarms; & /b/.
Abortion providers have also been stalked, attacked and murdered in broad daylight by religious extremist groups too. Alongside murdering of animals as theatrical intimidation towards abortion providers. There's always a ton of legitimate premeditated murder, violence and suicide pushing involved with these ideologies, so any attempt by conservatives to compare bad behaviour will never work, and is a consistent sign of bad faith argument.
 

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That's the beauty of arguing in bad faith. No evidence against you exists or counts, everybody is wrong but you, and you never have to admit to even having been slightly off the mark.
And how many times have I (and other, for them specifically in this thread) been told told to provide evidence then told it doesn't count because the abuse didn't actually meet some arbitrary standard of what need to count for it to be harassment, yet the same people happily will accept a person as being harassed when said person defined harassment as being told she was wrong before?


Also, just a reminder that perpetual victimhood is a critical building block of the fascist mindset because it gives them excuses to treat other people like shit, which is their real intention.
So now some Jewish people are the real fascists because they're saying Hogwarts Legacy is an antiseminitc attack on them?
 

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Had to google this one, according to wikipedia even anti abortion groups denounced the guy lol.
I'm sure some did. Just like plenty of left wing people condemn whatever doxxing has cropped up that you're particularly incensed about. Leave the goalposts where they are.

8 chan and Kiwi farms are mostly trolls. /b/ goes after anyone when they believe lines have been crossed or action is needed. E.G. going after the woman who put a cat in a bin.
So far so predictable: "it counts when it's lefties, then it's really serious. It doesn't count when it's rightwing because [insert irrelevant excuse]".
 
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I'm sure some did. Just like plenty of left wing people concemn whatever doxxing has cropped up that you're particularly incensed about. Leave the goalposts where they are.
Oh you mean Left Wing people like me who said I didn't support the doxxing of people based on what they say and then got called a monster because I didn't think the doxxing of Bearing, Dr Phil Mason, Dr Bret Weinstein, Carl Benjamin, TUG, Jade3Fox, Alpha Omega Sin and many others were right or justified.

I'm not the one moving the goalposts. The difference now is who is getting hit with the Doxxing and well people who for years were fine with it or suggested people deserved it or actions have consequences are now suddenly shocked that people who were assholes online are now getting hit, not people who just said stuff online, people who went after others and so I'm saying put the goals back you end because my end they've not been moving, it's just now the other end people keep scoring and it's seen as a problem.

Ah yeah just excuse and dismiss it as trolling as If that somehow makes the threats and harassment any less harmful. Nice approach, I assume you'll only apply it very selectively.
Except it is and people on both sides have been hit by said trolls over time. Welcome to the internet where fighting the trolls is known to be a losing game. They're an inevitability, doesn't make them good just something that isn't controlled by an ideology other than watching the world burn and pure chaos.
 

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Oh you mean Left Wing people like me who said I didn't support the doxxing of people based on what they say and then got called a monster because I didn't think the doxxing of Bearing, Dr Phil Mason, Dr Bret Weinstein, Carl Benjamin, TUG, Jade3Fox, Alpha Omega Sin and many others were right or justified.
Nobody here called you that for saying that. And if you're just complaining about what random unrelated other people called you, that's an irrelevance.

I'm not the one moving the goalposts.
"Citation needed" for right-wingers doxxing somehow became "citation needed but only instances where nobody denounced it".

Except it is and people on both sides have been hit by said trolls over time. Welcome to the internet where fighting the trolls is known to be a losing game. They're an inevitability, doesn't make them good just something that isn't controlled by an ideology other than watching the world burn and pure chaos.
So you'll ascribe any right-wing doxxing to trolling and thus not being ideological. Very convenient and neat!

Can I do the same? These lefties doxxing is just trolling, it's an inevitability, no ideology involved! Cool, absolved.
 

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Nobody here called you that for saying that. And if you're just complaining about what random unrelated other people called you, that's an irrelevance.
Or right sorry no they called me a

Lacking empathy and


Same difference from the same type of jackasses.
A Jackass.

Oh and that's just in this thread.

Pretty sure I could go hunting for some stuff said to me by some here in other threads too but I hope I've provided enough here to suggest I'm not bullshiting about being called shit.



"Citation needed" for right-wingers doxxing somehow became "citation needed but only instances where nobody denounced it".
Because the core argument was about one side happily using it and or celebrating it's use against "the bad people" now crying foul when people chose to play by those same rules against them.


So you'll ascribe any right-wing doxxing to trolling and thus not being ideological. Very convenient and neat!

Can I do the same? These lefties doxxing is just trolling, it's an inevitability, no ideology involved! Cool, absolved.
Kind of falls flat when you have oh Zoe Quinn spreading a persons details round or Dr Kristi Winters or you know fairly mainstream journalists doxxing youtubers because they dared to suggest Johnny Depp was innocent and gathered evidence round that position to support it.......
 

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Or right sorry no they called me a
Lacking empathy and
A Jackass.
Oh and that's just in this thread.
Diddums. They didn't say that stuff for being against doxxing, though, so this is all just moaning about mean words.

Because the core argument was about one side happily using it and or celebrating it's use against "the bad people" now crying foul when people chose to play by those same rules against them.
That's right. And you chose to arbitrarily exclude (only from one side) instances where it was denounced by others. Goalposts shifted.

Kind of falls flat when you have oh Zoe Quinn spreading a persons details round or Dr Kristi Winters or you know fairly mainstream journalists doxxing youtubers because they dared to suggest Johnny Depp was innocent and gathered evidence round that position to support it.......
Deflection and whataboutism, again, then.
 

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Diddums. They didn't say that stuff for being against doxxing, though, so this is all just moaning about mean words.
Yeh because it totally doesn't come from a position they've taken towards me based on personal biases and my position on such things over the years right?

Or are you just trying to suggest Brawlman just randomly lashes out at me and others due to some other reason?


That's right. And you chose to arbitrarily exclude (only from one side) instances where it was denounced by others. Goalposts shifted.
Most Anti abortion groups condemn dude.
Prominently bread tubers and others spread round the dox and a handful on small time accounts condemn it while everyone else celebrates defeating "The bad people".

Yeh kind of a difference in scopes and scales there in terms of condemnation of such stuff isn't there?



Deflection and whataboutism, again, then.
No it's relevant to the discussion is to show the present disparity in sides scopes and scales.

Again people promised "consequences" against people for daring to stream Hogwarts legacy.
 

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Yeh because it totally doesn't come from a position they've taken towards me based on personal biases and my position on such things over the years right?

Or are you just trying to suggest Brawlman just randomly lashes out at me and others due to some other reason?
Don't really care, because this is irrelevant. You weren't called these things for being against doxxing. You made that up for pity points.

Most Anti abortion groups condemn dude.
Prominently bread tubers and others spread round the dox and a handful on small time accounts condemn it while everyone else celebrates defeating "The bad people".
They don't, though; the vast majority of left wing outlets and figures condemn doxxing and harassment (as do most right-wing outlets and speakers). You just want to use the worst actors to tar one side and then refuse to apply the same rationale consistently.

No it's relevant to the discussion is to show the present disparity in sides scopes and scales.
I love that you think two individual examples demonstrate "scope and scale", when you're perfectly willing to ignore/excuse/dismiss four large online communities that have been cited.
 

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Don't really care, because this is irrelevant. You weren't called these things for being against doxxing. You made that up for pity points.
Couldn't possibly be because I was deemed on the wrong side of history and a number of people have chosen to see anything I say as that in part because I didn't support the "Win by any means" approach some did.


They don't, though; the vast majority of left wing outlets and figures condemn doxxing and harassment (as do most right-wing outlets and speakers). You just want to use the worst actors to tar one side and then refuse to apply the same rationale consistently.
So why do said left wing outlets happily have writers publishing such peoples details? E.G. Eve Barlow


I love that you think two individual examples demonstrate "scope and scale", when you're perfectly willing to ignore/excuse/dismiss four large online communities that have been cited.
4 large communities mostly comprised of trolls.

2 people with followings on par with or bigger than said communities normally who are looked on still as good people in the left wing communities and seen in good standing.

There's the difference.

When people cross the line on what you now call "The right wing" side they lose a hell of a lot of standing. In the Breadtube / Left wing community it doesn't matter at all seemingly people even seem to see them as justified or brave for doing it.
 

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When people cross the line on what you now call "The right wing" side they lose a hell of a lot of standing.
By "lose a hell of a lot of standing" you mean "get elected president" ?
 
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