LifeCharacter said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
im talking about how, if she isnt going to record her own gameplay, she should atleast cite her sources. you know, a proper fucking investigation, have you ever written a report?
i mean this is painfully simple stuff for ANY sort of research
Well I thought the citations for where she was getting her information was obvious. If she's talking about a certain game she obviously got it from...wait for it...that game! Considering they're her sources and she very clearly cites them by, you know, saying their names and such I don't see what your issue is.
thats like citing "the computer" in a book about software engineering
the matter of study isnt the source when you are citing someone else's work
you definitively have never written a report before
LifeCharacter said:
go ahead and leave then
play or record, my point was that, she had 150k and six months to work, she didnt work, that is not "slightly" lazy
Right, she didn't work. How do you know this? Oh wait, silly me I forgot,
you don't. You've extrapolated that because she used Let's Play footage to lighten the work she had to do she must not have played the games, because that makes logical sense now.
And, once again, if you consider using Let's Play footage such a gross display of laziness, you're being ridiculous and you need to reevaluate how you judge things.
we have no evidence we worked, but we are still expected to believe she worked? sorry i dont buy this "the patriarchy ate my homework teacher"
no evidence of she working, she most likely didnt work
also i love how you love to side step the issue, wasting 150k dollars and 6 months with no results at the end of it is a gross display of laziness, if she hadnt wasted 6 months and 150k dollars she wouldnt be a scam artist
LifeCharacter said:
what is she getting paid for then? i mean if she is going to spend 150k, waste 6 months and half-ass the research, why is her opinion important? is that the attitude of someone who takes her research seriously? can you imagine if more people acted like this?
She's getting paid to create fucking videos, not record herself playing video games so a bunch of whiny idiots who will never believe anything she ever says can have proof she played video games even though they'd just disregard it for some stupid reason. That you consider not wasting her time replaying games for the sake of an incredibly small clip of a game half-assing the research says more about you than it does about her.
she is paid to make a proper research, from her kickstarter
"Creating these videos take a lot of time and money to produce. I will be researching and playing hundreds of titles from across the gaming industry (including some truly awful games that I wouldn?t wish upon anyone!). Your support will go towards production costs, equipment, games and downloadable content."
she wastes 6 motnhs of time, 150k dollars, and doesnt even cite her sources when she doesnt play the games
thats a piss poor research if ive ever seen one, they wouldnt even give me a 4/10 at my university
LifeCharacter said:
"yeah they paid me millions of dollars and gave me years to work on cancer research but im too lazy for that, im just going to copy and paste someone else's paper and give him no credit for it"
What a massive example of false equivalence. Your comparing superfluous video that supplements her arguments to the core of cancer research. You know what a real comparison would be, the Let's Play footage and the layout of the cancer researcher's title page, because both are largely irrelevant to the overall point of the work.
"your comparison is not valid because its not about the exact same thing"
ok here are others:
"yeah they paid me thousands of dollars and gave me months to design a webpage but im too lazy for that, im just going to copy and paste someone else's work from the internet and give him no credit for it"
"yeah they paid me hundreds of dollars and gave me weeks to come up with an original cake recipe but im too lazy for that, im just going to steal someone else's recipe from a cookbook and give him no credit for it"
"yeah they paid me thousands of dollars and gave me months to come up with footage to support my arguments but im too lazy for that, im just going to steal someone else's gameplay videos from the internet and give him no credit for it"
"yeah they paid me V of dollars and gave me W to come up with X but im too lazy for that, im just going to steal someone else's Y from Z and give him no credit for it"
LifeCharacter said:
oh you want to derail the discussion already? how nice
if you want her argument refuted youtube and google is that way, better people than me have dissected her poorly constructed arguments, if you wont listen to them, you wont listen to me
right now we are talking about her "research" if you can even call it that, we can discuss her laughable arguments later
Oh, so you apparently didn't have less than 3 minutes to spare blowing my mind with how obviously wrong Sarkeesian is. Okay, I guess. I'll just wallow in my ignorance and it's all your fault. Shame!
it might take 3 minutes to destroy her arguments, but you are going to spend 3 days covering your ears saying "LALALALA CANT HEAR YOU", again stop trying to derail the discussion
if you want, look for her detractors on youtube, which will most likely have their youtube comments enabled, and provide counter arguments to their points there
LifeCharacter said:
so you expect me to ignore her words and read her mind to know what she meant? bravo
im gonna take a wild guess, make an outrageous assumption, and say that, when she said she "im not a fan of video games" she meant that she is not a fan of video games, as CRAZY as that might sound
oh and nice job completely ignoring my proof that not all games are violent and therefore her excuse for not playing is pathetic, and a clear sign that she doesnt know anything about video games
Yes yes your interpretation of her words as her never playing video games ever forever because she's a liar is the best of them all and she's so obviously wrong. If you want something substantial go read MarsAtlas's post, because I'm lacking the enthusiasm to humor you at the moment.
my interpretation of her words?
its a quote, word for word of what she said hahahaha
ok sir, what did she meant when she said:
"im not a fan of video games..."
"i would like to play video games, but i wouldnt want to go around shooting people and ripping out their heads its just gross..."
and again you ignore my evidence that not all games are violent, bravo
LifeCharacter said:
oh let me see
-not a fan of video games
-had 150k and 6 months to record footage, she didnt
-stole footage from LPs and didnt credit them with the clear intention of making everyone believe she played those video games
yes, im going to draw the conclusion she did not play those video games, because that what you do with circunstantial evidence
Not a fan of video games... years ago.
2 years before her kickstarter, and did she conveniently became a fan right after that lecture?
and she obviously lied when she said she was a gamer her entire life, but we are still supposed to trust her?
LifeCharacter said:
Not recording myself playing video games does not imply that I didn't play video games. Also, is there some page of her more recent videos saying which LPers she stole footage from, or is there some other conspiracy to explain the footage and still disallow the possibility she played the games?
did someone pay you 150k dollars and give you 6 months to research about video games
you seriously dont understand how logic works, you literally got my argument backwards
"she is not a gamer because she didnt record gameplay" - i didnt say this
"she didnt record gameplay because she is not a gamer" - i said this
just because P -> A, doesnt mean A -> P
LifeCharacter said:
"Stole" footage from LPers without crediting them, with no clear intention that someone didn't pull out of their ass because they're obviously a mind reader.
what?
LifeCharacter said:
"Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact?like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence
like i said, you DO NOT KNOW THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS
You really need to stop pretending that you're some master of the English language sent to teach me the error of my ways. I know exactly what circumstantial evidence is and I don't believe I've ever said anything to contradict your wondrous definition up there. I just claimed that your circumstantial evidence wasn't convincing.
yes you need some english lessons, and this comes from a non-native english speaker
my evidence IS convincing, unless you are going to argue that video of her saying "im not a fan of video games" is fake, and that she didnt actually steal those LP videos, and i must say, at this point arguing that takes some serious mental gymnastics and i mean olympic level
no, you CAN ARGUE, my inferences, my arguments, arent convincing
you do not know the meanings of these words
LifeCharacter said:
that video is from 2010, she started her kickstarter in 2012
"several"
you expect me to believe that someone who is "not a fan of video games", thinks that they are "gross", someone who admited NOT playing video games, had a change of heart within 2 years, became a fan of video games, but still wont play video games for her research?
So you expect me to think absolutely nothing happened in two years? I won't say she became a fan, because that's something completely irrelevant to her playing video games, and you don't get to claim she isn't playing video games because
that's what you're supposed to be proving to me. Apparently, you think she just sat around with a thumb up her ass for two years because, if we allowed the possibility that humans actually change from year to year we might have to admit that she (gasp!) has played a video game, after which reality would, of course, collapse in on itself.
let me put it this way, theres more evidence of she not being a fan of video games and knowing very little about them, than there is evidence of the opposite, she has also lied in the past, several times
just like theres no evidence she played those games, you are making the claim she played those games, shouldnt the burden of proof lay on you instead of me?
LifeCharacter said:
not to mention she outright lied several times to the press saying she has been gaming her entire life and that she is a fan of video games... you know, except for that one time she wasnt a fan of video games and never played them
So where did she say she never played them. Go, right now and find it. I'm tired and have more productive things to do than talk to a wall that thinks it can read minds and slander people based on no real evidence.
oh boy here we go again getting my arguments wrong, my argument is that she lied when she said she played games all her life, its CLEAR, thats not true, theres that video of she admiting to not play video games fairly recently, prove the opposite
is like a man saying "sir ive never consumed drugs in my life" 2 years after rehab