- Mar 4, 2016
But seriously, don't argue with a creationist, unless you're a teenager with a control complex who just likes to argue past someone forever.Something Amyss said:Well, there's the thing. People generally are talking about those who believe in a literal creation of humankind in its current form by a divine creator (likely, but not always Christian) when they say creationist. There's probably a better, more specific version, but I'm tired and sore and can barely pay attention.ThatOtherGirl said:I'm not sure about that. I have had several very reasonable debates with creationists, or at least people who believe in divine creation.
But "don't argue with a creationist" probably isn't talking about most of the people you're talking about.
Or to accommodate them in any way.Pluvia said:Er no, not giving someone a platform doesn't mean you're preventing them from speaking. They're free to speak, they're not being censored, you're just not giving them your platform to do it from.
It gets even weirder when you step out of universities and into the tantrums that have been thrown about over private businesses or individuals.
That's about 50% word salad, 50% rant.Therumancer said:No, I just don't play the game of trying to slap labels like facist onto this kind of an argument when one of the first things facists do is want to limit free speech, which is something we see happening through private platforms. Given the increasingly incestuous relationship between politics and private business it's becoming harder to separate them as well.Kanedias said:Couching your desire to be an autocrat in terms of freedom and censorship is nonsensical.Therumancer said:Then it's fascist, something I disagree with, but the label doesn't scare me. As far as I'm concerned freedom of speech is more important. Others of course have their own opinions. Right now liberals seem in favor of private censorship because they are holding most of the media cards, if the situation was on the other foot I think they would believe quite differently. It's always okay to see censorship in people's minds as long as it's things they disagree with that are being censored.scorn the biomage said:so in order to fight censorship you want to take away other people rights moderate ,ignore or decide who goes on their piece of media. I don't know about you but that sounds pretty fascist to me.Therumancer said:While it will take some doing, a new legal frontier the government needs to address is protecting people from private censorship, and yes that does mean removing a lot of the rights of the private owners of existing forums.
to control the speech of others. To put it bluntly, one citizen holding more power over another citizen than duly elected officials is absolutely ridiculous.