I Hit It With My Axe: Episode 12: The Blind Stabbing The Blind

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Episode 12: The Blind Stabbing The Blind

"So you're heading down the tunnel..."

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chepenoyo

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And now the series deals with issues of addiction to kittens, and the dangers it poses to our nation's hairdressers.
 

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What edition are the playing because you break free of the web, and to attack any gaze using you either have to make a save or avert their eyes and suffer a 50% chance of failure =O at least in 3.5 that is.
 

mandymorbid

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We play a house-rule hybrid of AD&D (1st ed.) and 3.5

Justine gets free of the web after all the spiders get killed.

More information about the rules:

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/so-ive-heard-people-complaining-that.html
 

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Yay, new(edit) episode!

I think these girls are going to keep playing this game. I think for future series, they should introduce new novices to keep it hectic and fresh again.
The girls are very pretty.
 

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Flauros said:
Yay, no episode
I think you mean to say, "Yay, new episode."

Even though I wasn't much interested in this series, I'm still glad to see it's getting fans! I really doubt the Escapist would put up a show that isn't worth watching, but it just wasn't for me.

Good luck on future success!
 

mandymorbid

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Alar said:
Flauros said:
Yay, no episode
I think you mean to say, "Yay, new episode."

Even though I wasn't much interested in this series, I'm still glad to see it's getting fans! I really doubt the Escapist would put up a show that isn't worth watching, but it just wasn't for me.

Good luck on future success!
Aww thank you!
 

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Flauros said:
I think for future series, they should introduce new novices to keep it hectic and fresh again.
I believe that's exactly what they're doing. They have a rotating guest slot. I'm guessing one guest per 10 episodes? But that's just a shot in the dark.

I believe it wasn't stated how many heads that hydra had, was it? I'm interested because last night my players owned a hydra (an outcome I had not expected, I had to double it's hitpoints to make it more challenging).

chepenoyo said:
And now the series deals with issues of addiction to kittens, and the dangers it poses to our nation's hairdressers.
More and more hairdressers are consumed by their addiction. To save them, we must become monsters ourselves and destroy the kittens.
 

chepenoyo

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I don't know that I'm prepared for this. How many hit dice does a kitten have, and how difficult is the will save to resist one?
 

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Dirty Harry..Clint Eastwood is in Adult films? Guess you got to live life to the fullest even at his age, go Clint! I'm of course kidding but I couldn't resist. Good episode and go easy on the DM their seems like he was ready to start attacking people.
 

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chepenoyo said:
I don't know that I'm prepared for this. How many hit dice does a kitten have, and how difficult is the will save to resist one?
It only has 1/2 hit dice, but that's all it needs because of it's Endearing Presence ability:

[strong]Endearing Presence:[/strong]
This ability affects all living creatures within 30 feet of a kitten. Those who directly look at a kitten must succeed on a DC 19 Will save or be dominated permanently as though by the Dominate Monster spell. A kitten can suppress or resume this ability as a free action.
The save DC is Charisma-based.

Because of this ability a kitten has a vast army of followers, usually consisting of hairdressers.
 

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I have to say. I have found myself getting quite addicted to watching you lot play. In part, it brings back memories of when I used to play. Though sadly we didn't have girls with us back then...We had packets of cream crackers. That was as exciting as it got for us. What? It was a hard life back in the eighties in britan. Also the idea of talented adult stars playing a table top rpg is just rum. And I do like things to be rum.
 

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Well they've certainly gotten themselves into a sticky situation! *is promptly shot by the pun police* Oh noes!

I am curious though to see how well the rescue attempt revolving around lassos plays out; the last time one of my gaming group's characters got abducted we were spectacularly unsuccessful at getting her back and she had to escape on her own.
 

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mandymorbid said:
We play a house-rule hybrid of AD&D (1st ed.) and 3.5

Justine gets free of the web after all the spiders get killed.

More information about the rules:

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2010/03/so-ive-heard-people-complaining-that.html
And here I was about to hop on here to ask what edition you guys were running. LOL
 

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Well, I wasn't that interested in the series but now I have to admitt they are really fun to watch. Brings me back to my old times of nerdom. But dammit watching porn will never be the same ;p
 

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I think, in past life, or current life Frankie was a ninja, cuz she reallly really likes to sneak.
 

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Another cool episode. Keep 'em coming.

This series is inspiring me to find a group in town to play with.
 

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I think I'm falling for Justine. Adorable.

On a more serious note, the 'story' is getting more and more interesting.

Note - when Mandy was toying with her dice at the start, I could totally relate. I get terribly fidgety during games. My group has learned the hard way to snatch lighters away from me the moment I reach for them.
 
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Shinigami214 said:
I think I'm falling for Justine. Adorable.

On a more serious note, the 'story' is getting more and more interesting.
Tell me about it!

I really liked the standalone comments that were shot with her. Each of the girls should have that opportunity, so we get to hear their unique takes on errrr... stuff.

KK is funny, she's straight down to business all the time. I was laughing at Zak grilling her over dirty harry and she just does not bite. Moving right along...
 

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KK is funny, she's straight down to business all the time. I was laughing at Zak grilling her over dirty harry and she just does not bite. Moving right along...
I think it was more the case that she had no real defense to having paid a porn star named Dirty Harry to have sex with her. :)

And I gotta admit, after checking his pic out on Wikipedia, I can't say as I blame Zak for busting her balls on that one. :)

He also starred in My Oldest Fu** 1&2, Bubble Butt Mothers 2, and Cougars Gone Wild, among many other films, according to IMDB.
 
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Joethelawyer said:
KK is funny, she's straight down to business all the time. I was laughing at Zak grilling her over dirty harry and she just does not bite. Moving right along...
I think it was more the case that she had no real defense to having paid a porn star named Dirty Harry to have sex with her. :)

And I gotta admit, after checking his pic out on Wikipedia, I can't say as I blame Zak for busting her balls on that one. :)

He also starred in My Oldest Fu** 1&2, Bubble Butt Mothers 2, and Cougars Gone Wild, among many other films, according to IMDB.
Yeah I must admit I went to Wikipedia to "research" that one. ;-)

Thank you Zak and Kimberly for "enlightening" me..... I think.
 

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I'm really enjoying the game! Keep up the great work, and Many, thanks for the info on the rules you all are using!
 

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I honestly don't see why escapists members don't like this show. You got very attractive, great haired, and funny people mixed with d and d. That right there is a 100% sure win!
 

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Watching this series actually persuaded me to start playing, so yea, I'm a bit new to D&D. Looking forward the next episode.
 

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Really like this show. Everyone in the game seems like cool people. I'm looking forward to this show continuing!

My only complaints are with the camera work and editing. The camera work really annoys me. Seriously, get a tripod or something. Blair Witch cinematography is not fun to watch for stuff like this. It's an inherently confusing way to shoot, which is why it worked so well for a Horror/Suspense movie. I want to see the whole table and the whole party's reactions to what's going on. Granted, there is kind of a pseudo-first person amateur porn type thing going on with the camera work, which is amusing on a whole other level, but a fixed frame format might work better.

As far as editing -- and this has gotten better -- fewer cutaways and splices would be awesome. It was most annoying with they Sasha Grey episodes. Don't cut away in the middle of what's going on to after-session conversations. Again, it's just confusing and doesn't add anything. Including the after-session stuff is fine, but put it in a separate video or at the end of the video.

I understand you're trying to cram several hours into a few minutes, but some episodes I can't follow what's going on at all other than people are rolling dice. The results are extremely jarring however. The Penny-Arcade/PvP podcasts and the Robot Chicken videos are much easier to follow.

Honestly I'd be willing to wait longer between videos (say once a month) in order to get a more understandable and better quality show. I think it might be easier for you guys to do. Just something to consider. Love the show otherwise. :)
 

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Flauros said:
Yay, new(edit) episode!

I think these girls are going to keep playing this game. I think for future series, they should introduce new novices to keep it hectic and fresh again.
The girls are very pretty.
Well, most of them have played before, and are in other campaigns outside of this show.

The only newbies were Sasha and Justine, the guest stars. Sasha seemed like she was kinda having fun, but not to same enthusiastic level as Justine. I would be surprised if Justine didn't continue playing regularly. She seems to be having a hell of a lot of fun.

Brian
 

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I think I'm in love with Mandy.. or maybe just her tats.

Anywho, watched a few of the eps and enjoyin them. Most of my friends play DnD and I've only played in two campaigns so I can relate. Keep it up!
 

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Frankie sort of reminded me of people who wanted to play Kenders after having read dragonlance.

"I pick pocket him, what do I get"
"ermh, roll the dice and we will see"
"but I'm a Kender"
 

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chepenoyo said:
I don't know that I'm prepared for this. How many hit dice does a kitten have, and how difficult is the will save to resist one?
Hahah! Ahoy, there be "lols" here.

Joethelawyer said:
KK is funny, she's straight down to business all the time. I was laughing at Zak grilling her over dirty harry and she just does not bite. Moving right along...
I think it was more the case that she had no real defense to having paid a porn star named Dirty Harry to have sex with her. :)

And I gotta admit, after checking his pic out on Wikipedia, I can't say as I blame Zak for busting her balls on that one. :)

He also starred in My Oldest Fu** 1&2, Bubble Butt Mothers 2, and Cougars Gone Wild, among many other films, according to IMDB.
....Goes to check out "Dirty Harry" on Wikipedia...& learns the term "irrumatio"!
 

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It's gotten better. The campaign and reactions make it a fun little show, which was what was missing initially. Momentum is good.
 

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Well it wasn't a trap but rather difficult moments with Spider People. I can't wait to see if Kim actually pulls off a proper roll to remove the spider person's sac.
Shinigami214 said:
I think I'm falling for Justine. Adorable.

On a more serious note, the 'story' is getting more and more interesting.

Note - when Mandy was toying with her dice at the start, I could totally relate. I get terribly fidgety during games. My group has learned the hard way to snatch lighters away from me the moment I reach for them.
I believe I heard Kim mention girl/girl when talking to Justine.
 

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Honest to gawd I'm really starting to like this show. I love that the peeps involved are getting into it too. To many times trying to introduce someone to rpg's can go horribly horribly wrong... but you folks have a solid group here that's actually able to stay on track.

Well more than my last group could anyway...

Keep the show coming!
 

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I think this was the best episode yet.
The pace was entertaining, and the 'Dirty Harry taunt' (a 9th. level arcane spell, if anyone wonders) really cracked me up.

My favorite moment has to be Mandy shuffling the dice, though :)
 

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Ah I gotta catch the last episode Guessing sasha gray is gone huh ? lol I think the show really improving though the flow of the camera work .
 

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The premise of the show put me off at first(I assumed it was a gimmick - "hey, look, there's porn stars so that gives it value!), but now that the game and the interaction between all the players has gotten deeper, this is actually pretty decent.

It reminds me of my much younger days when I played AD&D 2nd edition(about...15 years ago?) and we would get into similar predicaments and arguments. I'm also currently working on an RPG board-game, so this is good material to watch to get some creative juices flowing. :)

Also...I'm hot for those clear dice...
 

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LunarTick said:
chepenoyo said:
I don't know that I'm prepared for this. How many hit dice does a kitten have, and how difficult is the will save to resist one?
It only has 1/2 hit dice, but that's all it needs because of it's Endearing Presence ability:

[strong]Endearing Presence:[/strong]
This ability affects all living creatures within 30 feet of a kitten. Those who directly look at a kitten must succeed on a DC 19 Will save or be dominated permanently as though by the Dominate Monster spell. A kitten can suppress or resume this ability as a free action.
The save DC is Charisma-based.

Because of this ability a kitten has a vast army of followers, usually consisting of hairdressers.

Now all we need is for the GM to grin evilly and dig out some ancient, dusty, rulebooks from the back of his closet and use this video series to re-introduce the new generation of gamers to things like "Kill Kittens" which I believe are from "Arduin Grimoire" (or was it the equally ancient "All The World's Monsters"... my mind is going in my advanced years ).
 

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Skullkid4187 said:
I honestly don't see why escapists members don't like this show. You got very attractive, great haired, and funny people mixed with d and d. That right there is a 100% sure win!
Hmmm, well to be honest I've given it a couple of shots here and there, I guess the thing is that it's just not all that exciting to watch other people play an RPG, even if I haven't gamed in person for quite a while (I do however do a few PBP RPGs).

The ladies involved are attractive (I actually looked up Mandy Morbid online because of this series, having never heard of her), but I'm not a teenager anymore, and simply seeing a bunch of hot girls, even porn stars, just doesn't have a huge appeal in of itself. I mean I can see gorgeous ladies in any media, and if I wanted to I could sit down and just watch porn if it came down to it.

The bottom line is basically that, in the few attempts I've made to watch it, I just don't find it very exciting or interesting. I guess the group chemistry and interaction is decent, but when you get past the fact that your dealing with people in the adult industry, it's pretty much just few minute bits of watching people goof off while playing an RPG.
 

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Therumancer said:
The ladies involved are attractive (I actually looked up Mandy Morbid online because of this series, having never heard of her), but I'm not a teenager anymore, and simply seeing a bunch of hot girls, even porn stars, just doesn't have a huge appeal in of itself. I mean I can see gorgeous ladies in any media, and if I wanted to I could sit down and just watch porn if it came down to it.

The bottom line is basically that, in the few attempts I've made to watch it, I just don't find it very exciting or interesting. I guess the group chemistry and interaction is decent, but when you get past the fact that your dealing with people in the adult industry, it's pretty much just few minute bits of watching people goof off while playing an RPG.
I agree that if you are coming here to see titillating material you'd be better off going to look for actual pornography. I don't think that is the reason to watch: watch because it is fun? If you don't find it fun, then c'est la vie, each to his own cup of tea, all that. Really though, the player's professions are only the hook. Just like "listen to the guys from Penny Arcade" is a hook. The material is fun. I like watching different groups to see the weird universals of gaming-- like being obsessed with tactics like "how can we weaponize this blanket?"
 

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Therumancer said:
... it's pretty much just few minute bits of watching people goof off while playing an RPG.
Which is exactly the point. If you enjoy the group's dynamics, then great, if not, then no big deal, right? Individual taste and all.

And I also think the adult industry thing is just a hook. Personally, I wouldn't care if they were car mechanics, experts chefs, or cat burglars (that's the ones who rob cats, shame on them!).
 

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Something I've noticed about the camera work is that is looks more choppy when it is viewed in a webpage. I downloaded the vid to the pc, then viewed it with Quicktime, and it seemed much smoother and clearer, and the camera work didnt get in the way at all. I have an older pc, so I am not sure if the choppiness is a product of viewing it through Firefox or the age of the pc.
 

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Hahhah. Loved the ending, when all of a sudden Kimberly starts to talk about work.
 

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chepenoyo said:
And now the series deals with issues of addiction to kittens, and the dangers it poses to our nation's hairdressers.
Oh dear!
 

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Zak, if you're reading this--well, I know Mandy checks the thread, so Mandy, tell Zak he needs to give you guys a magical Blanket of Blinding. Every group has some weird quirk that becomes a theme for them--blinding people with blankets is clearly this group's raison d'etre!
 

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Is it just me or do they need a dry erase board? that said the show grew on me and it seems to get better each time I tune in.
 

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I get that you're going for a "gonzo" filming style here (read: PORN), but the camera operator seems to be sitting straight up and holding the camera in front of him. This makes the viewer feel like they're hunched over the table (either to hide an erection or because the curvature of their spine allows only this position). When to get what you're going for (viewer is actually sitting there like a normal person), the camera operator needs to almost lie almost flat with the camera positioned about three feet above their crotch, and then operate it as if it's their head. This will make the camera person look pretty stupid, but catching random bemused looks can only help accomplish what you're going for.

Might also benefit from a slight increase in viewing angle, if you've got equipment that can do that. Nothing extreme, maybe 5° more.
 

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I have resisted downloading any of the players' videos because I feel like I owe it to them not to pirate their stuff -- but I did download some Dirty Harry videos just now! Wow, I'm fascinated by what goes into that decision KK made. Is it like, "Dirty Harry helps reach the demographic of men 45-55 who like 'accessible' porn stars," or "I can't really say I'm a porn star without doing Dirty Harry, he's like an icon of the genre," or is it like a boxing champion quest like "In order to fuck Mandingo, you're going to have to last six rounds with Dirty Harry."

Anyway, Justine is having a great run, the energy with everyone is enviable. I wish I could evoke that much emotion in my players.

Regarding the seating, seems like you've got a good setup there. KK tends to take over, so she's way at the far end so the DM has to see everybody to interact with her. Then you've got Mandy as a special tutor for the new girl. But I wonder what would happen if you rotated Franky and Satine and Connie to different seats. I bet the episode would feel different just from the different amounts of camera time.
 

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One other thing -- does anyone else have the issue where in Firefox, the blue bar with the Comments link in it just doesn't appear under the video? Obviously no one else is going to agree to that, because they won't be able to comment. I had to try it in IE, or go to the list of all episodes and then click the comments links there. Might get more comments if that was fixed...

The gonzo thing is working for me, it's quite exciting. Maybe "viewer at the table" isn't what they're going for. Maybe it's about "how can we make this game look as cool on video, as it is when you're there?" Which entails more "let the camera zoom around toward the hotties". I wish Zak would post something on his blog about the filming itself, other than the cuts -- I bet he puts just as much thought into it as he does into everything else. Angles, editing, and stuff like "does the camera height make the viewer feel subliminally hunched over?" I don't notice that it does -- I'm used to video-game camera angles where the camera is totally dissociated from any viewpoint a real live person could use. To me the camera goes to whatever height it has to be for me to see what I'm looking at.
 

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Thanks for a great show!
Its keeps getting better for each episode.
My expectations wasn't high when I decided to check it out but I'm glad I did.
 

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I so wanna sit down at that table and roll some dice. Hands down the most interesting show on the Escapist.
 

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Noumenon said:
I have resisted downloading any of the players' videos because I feel like I owe it to them not to pirate their stuff -- but I did download some Dirty Harry videos just now! Wow, I'm fascinated by what goes into that decision KK made.
I guess I don't consider it pirating, just making it easier to view on my piece of crap ancient laptop. It runs a lot smoother viewing it through Quicktime than through the web browser. No choppiness, no skipping, and the camera movement is not a distraction. It's not like I'm selling it or posting it somewhere, or that its something others pay for that I'm getting for free. I dunno, maybe I'm off here...?
 

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Therumancer said:
Hmmm, well to be honest I've given it a couple of shots here and there, I guess the thing is that it's just not all that exciting to watch other people play an RPG, even if I haven't gamed in person for quite a while (I do however do a few PBP RPGs).
It depends. I gamemaster, and I sometimes feel I can see Zak pull a grimace outside the camera view.
I can relate to a lot of things in it, because I usually have groups of people who tumble forward rolling whatever dice they can to smash through things (or stabby-stabby them), and who consider negotiations something only done while eating pizza and being unable to roll dice.

And watching semi-newbie players play alongside experiences people is always fun as a gamemaster. That being said, did you specifically make the character Justine plays? Since she's probably temporary, you gave her a relatively strong character to use her for the story, right?
 

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Kimberly Kane is awesome, her personality on the show is great and I love her gung-ho, tomboyish, in-your-face playstyle. "Okay that was complicated. I'll just run straight up and lop the spiders f**ing head off". I don't know if it's her personality, or her charchter coming across, but it's still so much fun to watch.

And she's awesomely beautiful, which is always a plus.

Good episode.




*edit* I just had a bit of a realization. Is it possibly that shows like this that actually let you "know" the people in front of the camera on porn makes you more eligeble to pay for it? I know that I've never paid for any porn in my life, with the internet being what it is, but when you know the person you're watching it makes you more interested in their well-being and as such more likely to dish out some dollars for their living. Sidestepping the obvious pitfall of the piracy discussion, let's just assume there is little to be done at present about it, would it be viable for porn stars to market themselves through some sort of public relations? I mean porn stars do have their own sites (at least some, Kimberly Kane, Liz vicious etc.) and Mandy writes her own blogg, but do you guys think that building this kind of rapport with the consumer might help sales?

...maybe this deserves it's own thread. I'll put one up later.
 

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KnThrak said:
That being said, did you specifically make the character Justine plays? Since she's probably temporary, you gave her a relatively strong character to use her for the story, right?
Going by what I read in the video and the blog... Zak said "you can make your own character from scratch, or you can have this secret." She picked the secret, but then in the video Mandy helped her roll up a half-orc wizard with two hit points, so they made that character right there. I don't think Mandy had a clue that there was more to Justine's character than that!

btw -- this "2 hit points" thing really makes me wonder. Characters like that are so fragile, yet they all survive all these scary things. I haven't been able to put my finger on any DM cheating for them, unless it gets cut out.

It would really be interesting to see the whole, uncut videos for these -- I would actually pay money for that as a bonus feature.
 

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KnThrak said:
Therumancer said:
Hmmm, well to be honest I've given it a couple of shots here and there, I guess the thing is that it's just not all that exciting to watch other people play an RPG, even if I haven't gamed in person for quite a while (I do however do a few PBP RPGs).
It depends. I gamemaster, and I sometimes feel I can see Zak pull a grimace outside the camera view.
I can relate to a lot of things in it, because I usually have groups of people who tumble forward rolling whatever dice they can to smash through things (or stabby-stabby them), and who consider negotiations something only done while eating pizza and being unable to roll dice.

And watching semi-newbie players play alongside experiences people is always fun as a gamemaster. That being said, did you specifically make the character Justine plays? Since she's probably temporary, you gave her a relatively strong character to use her for the story, right?

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I'm not involved with this at all, I just mentioned that I've given it a couple of watches here and there and found it rather dull (in response to other things). I didn't make any of the characters involved, for obvious reasons.

That said when I do GM, I find that taking new players, either new to the game or ones I've just met, through character generation gives me a decent chance to get to know them, and also explain the rules to an extent.

As far as giving brand new players a meatier character, well typically I don't do that because newbies do not remain newbies forever, and assuming the person stays in the game as intended they are going to figure things out. If I'm gaming for the long run that could cause some problems because booting someone's beloved character from the game because *I* twinked it and they no longer need that isn't right.

That said, I'm fairly into heroic fantasy (which is a matter of taste) as such when I GM the PCs are usually somewhat weighted towards the higher end of things. Unlike some other GMs I kind of take the approach that "it wouldn't be there, if it wasn't intended to be used", which means that I tend to cut the characters loose quite a bit and occasionally put the kind of magical items into treasure hordes that most GMs consider to be "Munchkin". On the other hand I also tend to cut loose with a lot of the nastier and more exotic monster types that you also don't see very often in D&D games.

This isn't to say that I don't do low powered campaigns, but simply that I game for escapism, and see the point is to get away from being humble and realistic. As trite and stereotypical as it might be, while it might not be your first adventure or two, you typically wind up saving the kingdom/world/multiverse in my games at some point. :p
 

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...maybe this deserves it's own thread. I'll put one up later.
If you do, put a link to it because I don't know anything about navigating the forums except going right here.

*edit* I just had a bit of a realization. Is it possibly that shows like this that actually let you "know" the people in front of the camera on porn makes you more eligible to pay for it?
Obviously if 1,000,000 people started watching this show, at least 1 of them would become a huge fan of one of the players and buy the porn of it. All name recognition leads to sales. Also, I would never go find a place to buy their porn if I just saw it as another video on YouPorn, but now I would be thinking, "Hey, I know the person who made that, I should drop a tip in their tip jar or something."

On the other hand, I have sort of a madonna-whore thing going on where I have such a big geek crush on the players I don't want to spoil it by looking up their porn. I'm more likely to buy Zak's book.

Ultimately it seems like they were going to be doing it anyway and it only has taken about 16 hours of their time each (not counting Zak's time) so it might possibly make sense from a business perspective if the show's audience gets super large. But they're clearly not doing it only as a promotional tool, so if any of us buys their porn it's more like gravy for both of us -- they earn money and we learn about porn we would have liked if we knew it existed.

Mandy writes her own blog, but do you guys think that building this kind of rapport with the consumer might help sales?
Whoa... I didn't know she had a blog. And I love the question-and-answer format she's chosen to write it in (unless it's really a transcript of talking to Zak or something).
 

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Noumenon said:
btw -- this "2 hit points" thing really makes me wonder. Characters like that are so fragile, yet they all survive all these scary things. I haven't been able to put my finger on any DM cheating for them, unless it gets cut out.
The reason everyone has survived the 3 sessions you've seen so far (one with Sasha, 2 with Justine) is mostly because my character is a 4th level cleric with 11 hit-points who keeps healing everyone. However, as you will see in a few episodes, there are limits to what I can do...
 

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mandymorbid said:
Noumenon said:
btw -- this "2 hit points" thing really makes me wonder. Characters like that are so fragile, yet they all survive all these scary things. I haven't been able to put my finger on any DM cheating for them, unless it gets cut out.
The reason everyone has survived the 3 sessions you've seen so far (one with Sasha, 2 with Justine) is mostly because my character is a 4th level cleric with 11 hit-points who keeps healing everyone. However, as you will see in a few episodes, there are limits to what I can do...
You never know though, DM saves alot of the time aren't noticed by players... probably noticed even less by people who only get to see 5 minutes of the session every week. Still some of those creatures hes putting you against would normally mop the floor with a group at your level (that is i assume the spider people are driders that have been nerfed). Granted a good healer will keep a party alive though most things so maybe your pro nerd more than we give you credit

On a complete side note it's a shame to see the hair go Mandy, was diggin seeing something that different on someone.

EDIT: Bad gramma etc
 

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Watching this series actually persuaded me to start playing, so yea, I'm a bit new to D&D. Looking forward the next episode.
Awesome! That's what I like to hear. Tell all your friends because its a Fraking RAD game!

~ Satine
 

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Granted a good healer will keep a party alive though most things so maybe your pro nerd more than we give you credit
That would fit the general theme--we don't get credit for knowing what's going on. When my friends get knocked unconscious, I heal them. Because I am not stupid.

Zak has very little interest in artificially prolonging players' lives or promoting "story moments"--just read his blog. He always rolls the dice in the open and goes "alright, if I roll a 4 or higher, you die" things like that, all the time. He likes things unpredictable.'

In fact, someone dies in the session right after this one, in case you didn't notice the hint above.
 

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That would fit the general theme--we don't get credit for knowing what's going on. When my friends get knocked unconscious, I heal them. Because I am not stupid.
Waaaaiiiit a minute...are you suggesting that girls are...as good at things...as....boys...nah, that's craaaazy.
 

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Waaaaiiiit a minute...are you suggesting that girls are...as good at things...as....boys...nah, that's craaaazy.
Theres no racial stat bonus either way so yea
 

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I love seeing how this series has been panning out.


Eversor01 said:
Mordicai Caeli said:
Waaaaiiiit a minute...are you suggesting that girls are...as good at things...as....boys...nah, that's craaaazy.
Theres no racial stat bonus either way so yea

I don't mean to come off as being sexist or anything, but I'm afraid girls have some shortcomings in comparison to guys...

...take -4 save vs kittens for example.
 

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...take -4 save vs kittens for example.
C'mon, man, the game designers clearly balanced that one on the guy's side with a -4 save vs. expensive technology.
 

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chepenoyo said:
d23 said:
...take -4 save vs kittens for example.
C'mon, man, the game designers clearly balanced that one on the guy's side with a -4 save vs. expensive technology.
Thats not really balanced though, theres no kitten on the random encoutner table... maybe a hellcat but those freaken things are invis anyway so can't see it is a cat. Expencive technology though, i'd say just about every construct falls into that catagory
 

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When talking about the two hit points I had in mind this post from Dave Noonan [http://nnnooner.blogspot.com/2009/03/so-where-did-these-roles-come-from_14.html] where he argued that the original, 2 hp wizard was mathematically impossible to keep alive. Unless the DM and the fighters arranged for the wizard not to get his fair share of hits -- and thus was born the notion of "tanking," he says.

But I see that his discussion doesn't really apply here, because he is talking about a ruleset that had characters dying at 0 hp. If you have 3.5's buffer from 0 to -10, and some healing, then it doesn't absolutely require handholding to keep you alive. (It's still too risky for us, though -- we start new characters at level 2.)
 

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* walks in and places down soapbox, pulls himself up *

There are a ton of reasons to allow players to live in a RPG. Things like story, morale of the group. I have been a DM for 29yrs and in that time i can tell you one thing. Just killing of characters because "the dice say so" is bad policy. As DM you have an infinite amount of time to kill off PCs. But in a good game of D&D death is suppose to be epic. You don't just kill off the party, or you will find yourself alone in the room. So please be kind, rules are made to be broken. Especially if they add to the overall vision of the story. Think of it as a "script re-write". Thank you.

* Jumps off soapbox and drags it away *
 

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Thats not really balanced though, theres no kitten on the random encoutner table... maybe a hellcat but those freaken things are invis anyway so can't see it is a cat. Expencive technology though, i'd say just about every construct falls into that catagory
Oh, random encounter table, sure, but who baits a trap with a golem?

Noumenon said:
...he is talking about a ruleset that had characters dying at 0 hp. If you have 3.5's buffer from 0 to -10, and some healing...
In my house games, I play Rase Dead as being very rare and having complications. The counterbalance is that you can go not just to -10 (which has been in D&D since the original hardbacks if not earlier) but all the way down to negative (your constitution + double your level). This counterbalances the fact that -10 stays a constant number while the hits keep getting harder and harder. Out of the book, the increasing ease of raise dead as the party gains in levels is meant to counterbalance this, but I prefer to keep death maximally fearsome, so even if you can find someone to cast Raise Dead in my campaign, there will likely be consequences.

clovezombie said:
Just killing of characters because "the dice say so" is bad policy. As DM you have an infinite amount of time to kill off PCs. But in a good game of D&D death is suppose to be epic.*
That's one viewpoint, but the downside of playing this way is that the players don't have the spice of fear in normal encounters. Playing this way can really take the edge off the game.
 

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Randomly killing off characters does not inspire fear it inspires boredom. I am not saying there should be no consequences to low health; comma etc. can provide new plot points and new directions for the story to go. But to just kill off the characters is dull game play at best. If you let the players die like NPC store clerks they will not value their lives or want to take risks.
 

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chepenoyo said:
Eversor01 said:
Thats not really balanced though, theres no kitten on the random encoutner table... maybe a hellcat but those freaken things are invis anyway so can't see it is a cat. Expencive technology though, i'd say just about every construct falls into that catagory
Oh, random encounter table, sure, but who baits a trap with a golem?

Noumenon said:
...he is talking about a ruleset that had characters dying at 0 hp. If you have 3.5's buffer from 0 to -10, and some healing...
In my house games, I play Rase Dead as being very rare and having complications. The counterbalance is that you can go not just to -10 (which has been in D&D since the original hardbacks if not earlier) but all the way down to negative (your constitution + double your level). This counterbalances the fact that -10 stays a constant number while the hits keep getting harder and harder. Out of the book, the increasing ease of raise dead as the party gains in levels is meant to counterbalance this, but I prefer to keep death maximally fearsome, so even if you can find someone to cast Raise Dead in my campaign, there will likely be consequences.

clovezombie said:
Just killing of characters because "the dice say so" is bad policy. As DM you have an infinite amount of time to kill off PCs. But in a good game of D&D death is suppose to be epic.*
That's one viewpoint, but the downside of playing this way is that the players don't have the spice of fear in normal encounters. Playing this way can really take the edge off the game.
When my party is high enough level you bet your ass i'm gunna bait a trap with a golem, that shit would be halerious. Unfortunatly they are level 2 and TPK last session due to a constuct critting the one main threat to it and general party failing (mainly the healer waiting for people to be unconcious to heal them not just doing it when the tank is on 5 hp).

The buffers not a bad idea but my people usually start spamming hardcore to get in effect a massive bonus on HP. Screwing roudn with raise dead is always fun, or pushing them towards reincarnate instead, a fighter may fear death or loss of a limb, but the fear of coming back as a gnome is much worse.

And if my players didn't think their lives were in serious risk when fighting town guard or the like they would probably just screw round with it. We had an old DM who tried keeping players alive and it just frustrates the party in the long run. Better a consistent approach so one player doesn't take it personally that they get chopped up or sold into slavery.

Once again posting at some stupid time in the morning so not rechecking what i've writen, dunno if these forums are patroled by the gramma nazi's but ya << my disclaimer
 

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The groups I played with are writer/artists they wanted a great story...

We used a book (second addition Greyhawk Adventures) that allowed them to play their characters from apprenticeship to level 1 ( referred to as a "Less than Zero" group). Experience was replaced with raw stats (6 for base; 12 for your best(you get one "appitude" like Dex); controlled by your potential 4d6). So the whole group had 3hp apiece or less(and think how resilient children are... ). Basically imagine all the trouble you got into as a kid and imagine doing it in a realm like D&D (rogue goblin bosses etc). But after fleshing out their childhood (like why your character has that big scar on their right arm), when they died they felt like they lost a part of them.

However they loved it so much i spent many a night with Little Ceasers pizza and 2 Liter bottles of Jolt Cola running "Less than Zero" campaigns. All groups vary and what my friends found fun may bore you. I just think that killing off level 2 characters while some of them are still learning the game is not fun. Opinions and Millage may vary.
 

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Thing Fish said:
Watching this series actually persuaded me to start playing, so yea, I'm a bit new to D&D. Looking forward the next episode.
Welcome to the game!

Satine Phoenix said:
Awesome! That's what I like to hear. Tell all your friends because its a Fraking RAD game! ~ Satine
You said "Fraking" and that makes me really happy :)

OT: Loved this episode! More cool DnD action as well a some fun banter. Keep up the good work Zak et. all :)