I Like My Fighting F**ktoy's
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I share all my stuff with my fiancee. She appears to concur with my tastes on things. Doesn't mean that my taste might not be offensive to someone else and I respect that they have that opinion, it just seems like the strident call of social media is what I like is "wrong"...not offensive, not demeaning..but just flat out "wrong".Richard Keohane said:
Thats largely why I finally wrote my op out of frustration. Not because someone complains that they find what I like offensive, but that its being mission creeped out of complaint and criticism and into demands for change to individual personal behavior and a demonization of sexual content in general.
In my view, games need a lot less stabbing people in the face and a lot more kissing....but thats just my opinion.
You can live in the world you chose to live in, sometimes this requires surrounding yourself with people that don't judge you for who you are. Personally I feel bad for you that you have to deal with what you deal with. I find transgender individuals to be beautiful in their own right...they're just trying to be who they really are.MarsAtlas said:
In the world I live in, no, you wouldn't have to worry about those things. But I realize that peoples individual worlds are highly influenced by the local social environment they are living in.
Well, sexism is an ethical issue more than a moral one, by nature of it being a social phenomenon, but that's a bit of a nit-pick. There is sexist issue in games but I don't think it's an ethical one. I get a lot of strange looks when I say that, but not all issues of sexism are ethical ones. For instance, the treatment of female character models compared to male character models in a game might be sexist in that there is a pronounced, obvious difference in the way they are done. Even if we say that the treatment in this one example is sexist, that does not imply there is an ethical issue. Some do make that link, but I think those people are wrong. I'd argue that even if one can show there is sexism in the AAA market, it does not prove an ethical issue, it just proves the publishers are idiots for being blind to untapped markets.oreso said:
Too far!b.w.irenicus said:
Stairs are a problem for those in wheelchairs, but the solution isn't to abolish stairs and force all buildings to be single-story. The solution is to replace stairs with ramps where you can, and to use stairs alongside elevators in other places.
Similarly, the solution to oversexualized portrayals of women in video games isn't to completely abolish them, but to have less of them and counterbalance them with positive non-sexualized portrayals. Keep Bayonetta, clothe Cammy, make more like Chell.
What happened to the world where you grew up? Probably they lied to you. They taught you to tolerate others, but not how to deal with intolerance and criticism. They protected you from the social problems in the outside world, and now you're facing the shock of meeting them.
That's probably why.
That's probably why.
"If you like your Fighting F**K Toy, you can keep it." 
No. You are not automatically sexist if you prefer Samus in her zero suit. You are not automatically sexist if you download a nude mod or a sex mod.
You should have the right and expectation to be allowed to enjoy your entertainment however you like it without being labelled as anything.
And this is where the problem areas begin arising. There are people who *don't* like it that the identifiable female characters are dressed like prostitutes, proportioned like a teenager's sweaty fantasy, or are mewling, weak, and frail.
It's not that they're trying to take *your* toys; it's that they want *their* toys. And the fact that they have been so hard to find for so long is something they find problematic.
Skyrim is actually one of the better examples of making sure everyone can have their toys, actually. Most of the armor sets cover the same amount of body area regardless of gendered tailoring, but some certainly cover more than others (Looking at you, Foresworn).
In this fashion (even before mods), the amount of clothing your character has (regardless of gender) is pretty much dictated by the player. This is a win for everyone.
No. You are not automatically sexist if you prefer Samus in her zero suit. You are not automatically sexist if you download a nude mod or a sex mod.
You should have the right and expectation to be allowed to enjoy your entertainment however you like it without being labelled as anything.
And this is where the problem areas begin arising. There are people who *don't* like it that the identifiable female characters are dressed like prostitutes, proportioned like a teenager's sweaty fantasy, or are mewling, weak, and frail.
It's not that they're trying to take *your* toys; it's that they want *their* toys. And the fact that they have been so hard to find for so long is something they find problematic.
Skyrim is actually one of the better examples of making sure everyone can have their toys, actually. Most of the armor sets cover the same amount of body area regardless of gendered tailoring, but some certainly cover more than others (Looking at you, Foresworn).
In this fashion (even before mods), the amount of clothing your character has (regardless of gender) is pretty much dictated by the player. This is a win for everyone.
I like the way you put this, though clothe Cammy is going waaay too far friend! The solution is to have publishers realize there is an untapped, valuable market for games not like the ones being produced. They don't need to change established characters or stop producing what their current audience likes, but to expand into new, profitable directions. Unfortunately this industry is very risk-adverse, which squashes creativity. Indies are helping pick up the slack, but I want to see those ideas move into the AAA realm as well.theNater said:
IN short, DOA Volleyball is fine and doesn't need to not exist, but Free! the game should exist as well. Not because it will counter balance DoA Volleyball, but because there is a market for Free! the game.
What's great about Skyrim is that both men and women can find armor that barely covers anything. For example certain varieties of fur armor and forsworn armor.BigTuk said:
I used Cammy as my example because of this comment from lacktheknack:Gorrath said:
There's definitely room for give-and-take on the specifics; the idea is that Street Fighter maybe sexualizes a little more than is optimal given that it is about fighting, rather than about titillation.lacktheknack said:
And by saying that you are "not OK" with these things that other people say, you also automatically imply that you want to see that part of their messages gone.b.w.irenicus said:
That's just how criticism of others works.
When I say that too many survival horrors are made nowadays, I'm implying that some of them shouldn't have been made according to me.
When you say that the latest Zero Punctuation video's ending joke made you cringe, you are implying that you want that line gone.
Every time anyone says that a part of anyone else's self-expression was stupid/boring/problematic/illogical/arrogant/racist/grammatically incorrect/sinful/mean/fallacious/slanderous/homophobic/unscientific/silly/offensive/annoying/etc./etc./etc. they are basically expressing that they would prefer it gone, which is a most basic element of their own self-expression, and a fundamental part of how communication works.
I just don't like the term "fuck-toy" because it has negative connotations regarding the character's agency (to me, at least).
Other than that, I'm fine with sexualized male/female characters as long as it runs parallel to the tone and style of the work. My usual example for this is Shori from Eredan, as she balances badassery and sexiness to an interesting effect.
I could go into a bit more of a formal analysis about how her sexiness "works", but I won't unless someone wants me to.
That being said, I also appreciate it when a character is "sexy" for reasons other than to titillate the audience. For instance in the superhero serial Worm [www.parahumans.wordpress.com], when the costume of superheroine Miss Militia is said to "emphasize her curves" it isn't done to get a rise out of the reader but instead to provide an example of the sort of public appearance and persona official heroes in the Wormverse are required to display.
Other than that, I'm fine with sexualized male/female characters as long as it runs parallel to the tone and style of the work. My usual example for this is Shori from Eredan, as she balances badassery and sexiness to an interesting effect.
That being said, I also appreciate it when a character is "sexy" for reasons other than to titillate the audience. For instance in the superhero serial Worm [www.parahumans.wordpress.com], when the costume of superheroine Miss Militia is said to "emphasize her curves" it isn't done to get a rise out of the reader but instead to provide an example of the sort of public appearance and persona official heroes in the Wormverse are required to display.