jasoncyrus said:
Your spare is a disgrace, end of story, looking at how its sitting it's as if you'd rather spit on it than use it. I mean really, have some respect for your kit.
Ok, fair play with the WoW thing, I took it as a dig. Yeah, I don't give two badger asses about the spare. Why? Because I've spent more on a ticket to the cinema then I spent on the machine. Why should I give a machine that I will use once in a blue moon (when I'm feeling bored and want to play with a new version of Linux) pride of place on my main desk?
jasoncyrus said:
As i said in my last post, for Crysis, the graphics are the MAIN point. Also, you play with it STUTTERING? Even the slightest bit of stutter....no, just plain no. Begone from the gaming community because anyone giving gaming advice who actually tolerates stutter on a game like crysis, no, just no. Thats like superman turning around and anally raping innocent civilians, just not right.
Hmm.... Sorry, I can't find it.
The place where I said that I'd played Crysis with stuttering, that is, so I'm guessing you're not reading what I've posted (big suprise- the people with closed minds rarely have open ears). I've not played the game, in fact. Why have I not played the game? Because from the reviews I hear, it's rubbish. Yeah, it might have the most demanding graphics in the recent wave of games, but from people who have bothered to play it, I hear the actual game content is fairly average. Considering that, forgive me if I don't rush out and drop £30 so that I can play an average game. I'll save my money for a title that I'll enjoy playing, not just enjoy watching. Unless you're recommending that I pirate it?
jasoncyrus said:
If your system is supposedly over the minimum limits and still stutters, then your system needs fixed. Mine is over the limits, say about medium graphics and it never stutters, and thats with a single 8800.
Which brings me to re-iterating another point. As i stated prices were based from ebuyer, blieve it or not, prices *Vary* from site to site. Alos, at that prices range, Nvidia DOES stomp all over ATI. It's been proven countless times in various gaming mags. Feel free to catch up with the rest of the tech world.
I know prices vary from site to site, but the point is that I have recommended a better card for cheaper. Also, whilst I admit that the 260 is better than my 4870, that's because it's the next iteration onwards. When I was building my rig, I was either going to get a 9800 GTX+ or the 4870. The 4870 outstripped the 9800 in 7/9 tests, and was £30 cheaper when I ordered it. If you can find proof on "Nvidia stomping all over ATI", feel free to post it.
jasoncyrus said:
Also with the case, once again you've thought short term alone. With the 1200 he wont need another case until that case BREAKS. washable filters means he doesnt have to buy cans of compressed air or clean it out at all. The extra space means he has EPIC amounts of room for expansions AND space for a liquid cooling system should he turn into a regular gamer. You assume only truely hardcore gamers go for high end specs. Thats a load of shit right there and then. Computer enthusiast gamers go for the best specs because it covers and entire *Range* of computing aspects. So forgive me for trying to make his life that bit easier.
Likewise, forgive me for trying to make the bloodloss to his wallet a little easier. This guy is making his first moves into PC gaming, so labeling him a "potential modder", "hardcore gamer" and "computer enthusiast gamer" is jumping the gun slightly. Why in Loki's name would you need a liquid cooling system, unless you're going to do all kinds of stupid overclocks in a small space. I very much doubt he'd be looking to overclock, and unless he was looking to overclock massively, you'd still be looking at something like a Artic Freezer Pro 7.
jasoncyrus said:
As for having a spare system, obviously you've never had any respect for tech in the first place since, as mentioned above, you treat yor spares...like spares.
Gosh darn, you've got me. I know, I should treat the machine that I rarely use like an idol. I have enough respect for the tech to put the work into sourcing and building the bloody thing, but I suppose that doesn't count. After all, if it was in an Alienware case that had cost me £200, containing a watercooler that cost me another £100 and the neon/LED packs that land another £30 on the case, all of that would CLEARLY indicate that I cared about technology [/sarcasm]
jasoncyrus said:
And you misread my statement on when to rebuild. I stated that if his CURRENT system is more than 2 years old he should do a resh rebuild due to the CURRENT ADVANCES in technology. 2 years ago we didn't have the juggernauts of tech we have today and stuff like the 8800 was closer to the top of the range. I suggested a fresh rebuild because his current rig, since it cant run crysis is a Lada instead of a Honda/Dodge/mercedes/whatever car brand you find decent. It's old and getting decrepid.
To continue your metaphor- This guy is just getting into racing. I'm telling him to get an older Dodge that CAN race, then when he figures out that he's serious about racing, he can drop some more cash and get it modified. There is no point in him getting a Konieggsegg now, then decide that he prefers racing his motorbike (aka his Xbox).
jasoncyrus said:
The general rule of thumb is "when your system can't do what you want/need it to, it's time to rebuild." If you can't understand that then you shouldn't be giving advice, because as i will point out again, every 3-5 years technology has advanced, and prices have dropped, to a point where a brand new system at least twice as powerful as your old is about the same price as your old was originally.
I think the crossed wire here is what you mean by "rebuild". When I say "rebuild", I mean "Strip the case, build from the new motherboard up, then plug it back into my current peripherals". What I'm getting from you is "rebuild means 'clear your desk, start again from scratch'". The only time when you're going to need a new case is if the new motherboards don't fit anymore (industry standard ftw
), then you have an actual reason for buying a new one. Other than that, so long as the inside of the case has enough room for airflow, keep it.
jasoncyrus said:
As for the quad, same reasoning applies as the rest of the build. It's to make it for MORE than just gaming so he doesnt have to have a dvd player, cd player, and every other kind of player sitting around his room. I've given him a Multimedia Centre that will save him plenty of spac and last him half a decade and STILL give cinematic quality.
And you're going to use a video/DVD player whilst playing games? I thought not. The music, fair enough. But visual stuff? Hell naw.
jasoncyrus said:
But one thing is epicly clear, you have no CLUE about what makes a game enjoyable. Gameplay AND graphics. There no point in a game having amazing gamplay if you can't see it in 1900x1200 graphics, there not point in having those graphics if the gameplay sucks.
Pfft. You have the nerve to tell me that I don't know what makes gaming enjoyable, then turn around and tell me it's all graphics? Seriously, I'll take 8-bit with decent gameplay over cinematics attached to bullshit any day. One of the most fun fighting games I know? Toribash. The visuals for that is basically a 3D design. Look it up, download it (so long as you can tear yourself way from your amazing "Grah-fix")
jasoncyrus said:
Practically every game these days (with the exception of prototype due to its large free roaming world) can deliver incredible graphics potential and I know from personal experience that seeing a game in near cinematic quality hieghtens game play and can, if you find the right spot, take your breath away at the sheer quality and skill the developers put into that game.
Yeah, OK, I agree with that. Oblivion is the only game that's done that for me so far, but I can fully see where you are coming from. Cinematic quality, however, does not make or break the game. It's an added bonus, but you do NOT need it.
jasoncyrus said:
So yeah, I DO think its worth spending £1k+ on it because if you arn't willing to have the best if you can get it, whats the point of living? It's a stye of life, if you arn't willing to have the best when you can...you don't deserve to have the choice of living at all.
Because with even a part time job in the UK, at £300/month, thats it paid off in under 4 months. If he's got a fulltime job (and at home) thats ONE month. If he's got his own place and fulltime, say £1200/month salary, 3-4 months paying it off. Still not that long.
You're not taking into account the fact that spending every penny of his wage for a month on a computer might not be the best idea... You know, food, heating, electricity... They all need paying for too. And that's assuming that he's willing to not go on a night out for 4 months.
jasoncyrus said:
I'm giving the opportunity to be above the norm to be better than he was before. You're simply telling him to meet bare minimum.
Let's take a little look back at the original post, shall we?
D_987 said:
I am looking to buy a gaming PC - one that, without to much trouble should be able to run Crysis. EDIT : I have a budget of around £500 -£600 I am looking for either desktop or laptop - I'm not bothered which to be honest.
Can my system run Crysis without too much trouble? YES
Can my system be built for his budget? YES
Can your system run Crysis without too much trouble? YES
Can your system be built for his budget? No. He'd need to double his budget to do your system.
