Well that's easy when 90% of the in game assets and the near totality of the modifications to the game engine are done for them, over four fifths of the work in making a game was handed to them, so they could focus almost entirely on the last parts of production. People who known nothing about how games are made praise them for making an unplayable mess of a game at launch because of how long they had to work with, but the reality is that Obsidian are an ambitious bunch who have never in their history managed to deliver. They make great games, don't get me wrong, but even the GOTY Edition of New Vegas is missing large swaths of content they intended (because they always overestimate their abilities) and they always launch with a downright mess. New Vegas was hated at launch because you could not finish the game, it was that broken.PapaGreg096 said:
It'll be fine, goes on something like 66-75% off each seasonal sale.hanselthecaretaker said:
Basically this. I like New Vegas, but let's not act like it wasn't build on the foundations of Fallout 3 and Oblivion.Zontar said:
They seem to be doing fine with the management for their kickstarter games though, so I'm not sure that you are correct when Pillars of Eternity & Tyranny are both fairly polished working games, maybe it does have to do with the whole publisher culture, because at least their first 2 independent ventures have gone all right, I mean neither was perfectly polished at launch but they were not messes like Fallout NV, Alpha Protocol & SW KOTOR II all of which had troubled productions which their crowdfunded games didn't, but simply due to that I'd say that claiming that they have never delivered is pure hyperbole, plus even if it was just a mediocre ARPG Dungeon Siege III wasn't glitchy either nor was South Park Stick of Truth which was also pretty good, so whatever deal they had with poor management seems to have improved, then again none of these games have shared the supposedly horrible deadlines of their previouus work but I'd say that by this point they deserve the benefit of the doubt.Zontar said:
Hey I just went back & replayed some of KOTOR 1 & found it to be a pretty underwhelming experience, in fact I thought it was trash, now I remember thinking KOTOR 1 was OK but the one I loved was KOTOR II but I'm kinda afraid to go back to it and ruining my good memories of the story, so I want to ask you have you played it recently & does it hold up?fix-the-spade said:
I'm playing it right now on a buddy's Steam sharing. Yeah if you are a die-hard Fallout 2 fan, I would definitely recommend when/if it goes on sale.hanselthecaretaker said:
The last thing I'd call any of Wasteland 2 characters is memorable. You also have to explain to me how mutant animals is so much better than Bethsheda Fallout. At least they created a tribe that felt original while still following the "misunderstanding the past" thing (one-armers) which is the opposite of New Vegas. I still don't know how Obsidian made every single tribe the worst possible version of misunderstanding the pastjademunky said:
I'd look to ESO too. It is NOT an Elder Scrolls game. I find it fun but its definitely differentPoetic Nova said:
Pretty sure that Wasteland 2 is made by inXile, not Obsidian. While they both share lineage via Fallout and Planescape, inXile was founded by Brian Fargo, of Interplay, while Obsidian was founded by old Black Isle staff. inXile has none of the writing chops or cred that came with Obsidian and it shows in both Wasteland 2 (which is a tactical combat game first and foremost) and Torment (which could have really done with a more stringent and punitive editor for its writing).trunkage said:
Yeah, you're right. I think Alpha Protocol was their best written work. I wish they wrote that well in NV> Pillars of Eternity was better written than NV but it still needs more work. hopefully the sequel is betterGethsemani said:
Sorry, but Pillars of Eternity's writing is a dumpster fire with terrible lore, and the cherry on the cake is its mechanics are one of the worst I've ever seen in an rpg. NV is clearly superior in terms of worldbuilding and communicating the lives within the Mojave.trunkage said:
That might actually work quite well. I didn't find the physical worldbuilding in New Vegas to be as goo as 3 or 4, as a place to explore it was pretty ununspiring I found, it was the characters and story the dragged you round. Bethesda are the opposite. Fallout 4 felt to me like Fallout 3.5, like they'd seen what Obsidian did with the characters, story etc and tried to put it into a similar environ as 3, but just didn't quite have the writing chops to make it work. Pretty sure "I'd like to see the next Fallout game have the story, characters etc handled by Obsidian and the Environment etc by Bethesda" has been a pretty common sentiment in discussions on Fallout.Kaleion said:
Funnily enough, PoE was the first party based isometric RPG I ever got on with, really couldn't deal with any of the others and it was the mechanics I felt were much better. But I never finished it, my interest petered out at some point, I couldn't tell you how far in, because I just didn't give enough of a shit about what was going on. I couldn't really pinpopint why, I suppose general disinterest in the world and all the characters in my party. The only one I vaguely remember was that weird Rasputin looking/acting guy. Otherwise there was something about spirits and gods, I think.Addendum_Forthcoming said:
Ehhhh ... I can understand why people can't get onboard with the classic old school rpgs like the Jagged Alliance series (sans BiA). But good writing and lore? No.Zykon TheLich said:
