I want to give Visual Novels a second shot. Any suggestions meeting my criteria?

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So, right now I'm on a general search for story-driven games, deciding what to play next. During that search, a thought popped up into my head: "Maybe I should give VNs a second chance? They can't all be bad, can they?". First I asked around reddit, but all I ended up with was one useful suggestion, and a metric ton of edgy teenagers telling me to go fuck myself because I apparently didn't take feelings of random people who might've liked the VN I hated into account. So, here I am, in probably the most reasonable, not giving a damn about anything gaming community I've ever come across. I hope local VN fans can help me out. But first, some closure.

The first and only VN I've "played" back to back was Saya no Uta. It was last year, when I got it recommended. People said it was a perfect match for my criteria and I'll like it for sure because apparently it was "one of the most mature and well-written VNs around". Boy were they full of shit and boy was I disappointed when I finished it.

The concept itself was great - a horror story about a guy who sees the world as a giant pile of flesh, and all human beings as disgusting Eldtrich creatures, all while trying to hide it from everybody else, with only one little girl at his side, keeping him from going insane. An awesome concept imo, with tons of potential for great storytelling focused on psychological horror. All of that potential wasted. About halfway through the story fell apart and slowly became more of an excuse for more and more out-of-place, awkward-to-watch sex scenes involving the aforementioned little girl, with a predictable ending to boot. After finishing it I came to a conclusion that since "one of the best written and most mature VNs out there" turned out to be such garbage, the genre is not worth exploring further.

A year later, here I am, willing to give it a second shot. With much less entusiasm than the last time, but still willing. Can you recommend some VNs meeting those criteria?

1. Dark, mature, preferably relatable story, not afraid to tackle heavy topics and break taboos. Bonus points for focus on psychology.

2. Well-developed, believable characters. I'm tired of "walking stereotypes". Preferably also adults - anime teens tend to be much more stereotypical.

3. Little to no sexual content. I'm no prude, but since VN writers seem unable to portray sexual content in a non-porn way, I'd prefer not to have it at all. Unless you can find me a VN that portrays this type of content in a non-erotic way - in that case, I'm down for that.

4. No romance. At all. Not my type of thing.

5. If your recommendation contains adventure game elements, like puzzles, make sure they're relatively easy. I don't mind some thinking, but don't really want puzzles to hinder my progress.

6. It has to be as far from anime tropes and cliched themes as possible. I want originality, not cookie-cutter, stereotypical anime personalities and events.

7. No voice acting, or at least an option to turn the voices off. I can't stand hearing those high-pitched anime voices. They make me cringe.


Accepted genres: Drama, Thriller, and Horror.
Platforms: PC
Preferred length: 3-9 hours. Can be a bit more, but don't overdo it. I can read JRPG dialogue boxes only for so long without going insane.
Language: English. I don't know Japanese.

If you have any questions, then feel free to ask. I hope everything is clear by now, though. Thanks in advance for the recommendations.
 

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inu-kun said:
a lot about humans and the enviroment but actually done in a smart manner.
Without spoiling anything (or at least too much), tell me - I'm not getting myself into a Princess Mononoke-style "destroying forests is bad because animals live in there, mmkay?" environmentalist bullshit, am I? Does the story get deeper than that?
 

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I'm going to suggest Umineko no Naku Koro ni. It's basically a supernatural murder mystery about a rich family with a (metaphorical) skeleton army in the closet. Witches are involved. Or not.

1) Definitely
2) All the major characters have long narrative arcs.
3) NONE
4) There are certainly characters who are love with each other, but as a theme it's hardly front and center.
5) None, at least until the final episode, and even those are minor.
6) Nope.
7) Original version didn't include voice work.

It never got an official translation (MangaGamer is supposedly working on an official release), but the torrent I got two plus years ago included a full English translation patch.

Also, it's technically two games; eight episodes in total.

There's also the issue of the games art. Basically, the guy can't draw for shit, so the sprites in the original game look like ass. However, both games got re-released on PS3/PSP in Japan, and the publisher decided to spring for improved sprites and voice acting, both of which got ripped and put into yet another set of patches for the PC version.

Oh, and the whole thing is about 150 hours long. As far as word count goes, it's basically on par with the five A Song of Ice and Fire books, or Planescape Torment and Baldurs Gate II combined.
 

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You could try Higurashi. It's a supernatural murder mystery with a pretty twisted plot, and some surprisingly complex moments.

I've heard great things about Stein's Gate, and it seems to meet all your criteria. I think it involves time travel.

If you're looking for Citizen Kane, though, you're looking in the wrong place : /
 

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Are you looking specifically for anime? From what I understand, that's what VN refers to. Haven't played any, but...

The 39 Steps is a digital adaptation of a 1915 novel by John Buchan. The visual and interactive elements support the story well.

Cinders is also purely a digital novel but it has a branching story. It's like an essay that was written by a non-native speaker who uses too many words to drive their point home, but it's probably the only game I've played that allows you to truly influence people and change the story in a meaningful way.
 

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1981 said:
Are you looking specifically for anime? From what I understand, that's what VN refers to.
It can sometimes be hard to tell the difference since VN's almost universally use an anime art style, but a VN is a 'game' where most of what youll be doing is clicking along while reading lines of dialouge.

I would compare it more to reading a book than i would to playing a game or watching anime.
 

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I can recommend Analogue: A Hate story, and its sequel/prequel Hate Plus.

You're an investigator hired to find out what happened to the Munguhwa, a lost generational ship recently found orbiting a star.

You arrive and are helped by the ships two AI's to piece together what happened to kill all the crew - the initial facts are this - approximately 300 years before the disaster, something happened to wipe the ships memory banks, destroying its history, scientific and medical knowledge to the point the ships society regresses to a feudal state with a distinctly misogynistic slant (its specifically modeled on the Joseon period of Korean history). Each AI has a decidedly different take on this society, and it has to be said each other.

Into the ships 'present' comes the Pale Bride, a teenage girl put into suspended animation early in the ships journey in the hopes that a cure for the fatal illness she has will have been discovered by the time she is awakened... Things do not go well for her.

Hate plus takes place after you complete your investigation, after the AI's find some hidden datafiles that go over 'year zero', the events that caused the rise of the Joseon society, and destroyed the ships history.

There is some romance elements, though they kinda come out of nowhere, and can be ignored easily.

Both can be a very emotionally intense, and more than willing to give you a good kick in the feels so to speak. Though, depending on what routes you take, Hate Plus can be a touch demanding (this is the game that on one route demands you go away and bake a cake in RL, and while you can just set a timer to get past it, there's an achievement if you send the dev a photo of the cake you made)
 

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I will suggest one,
and only one Visual Novel for you, my friend.

Code:
[b][i]Kara no Shoujo.[/i][/b]
If you want to walk down a nice, little dark path. This is the one for you.
Basically it's a 50's crime story, but darker than you expected, and exactly what you want. Well, hopefully it will be. It was something I loved reading this year, especially when I look at it from a writer's point of view.

I suggest give it a try.
Will I tell you anything else about it, should you research it?
Well, my other suggestion is to not do anything like that, and throw yourself into it. If you are uncomfortable with any part of it... it would be in your best interests to push forward.

For you won't find any luxury there.
 

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I came up with three recomendations reading your post, then saw they were all already mentioned, so will put my support behind:

1) Analogue: A Hate Story
2) Umineko: When they cry
3) Higurashi: When they cry

I would also recomend Stiens Gate, but the cast are all masive anime fans, and so that goes against your point 6.
 

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T_ConX said:
I'm going to suggest Umineko no Naku Koro ni. It's basically a supernatural murder mystery about a rich family with a (metaphorical) skeleton army in the closet. Witches are involved. Or not.

1) Definitely
2) All the major characters have long narrative arcs.
3) NONE
4) There are certainly characters who are love with each other, but as a theme it's hardly front and center.
5) None, at least until the final episode, and even those are minor.
6) Nope.
7) Original version didn't include voice work.

It never got an official translation (MangaGamer is supposedly working on an official release), but the torrent I got two plus years ago included a full English translation patch.

Also, it's technically two games; eight episodes in total.

There's also the issue of the games art. Basically, the guy can't draw for shit, so the sprites in the original game look like ass. However, both games got re-released on PS3/PSP in Japan, and the publisher decided to spring for improved sprites and voice acting, both of which got ripped and put into yet another set of patches for the PC version.

Oh, and the whole thing is about 150 hours long. As far as word count goes, it's basically on par with the five A Song of Ice and Fire books, or Planescape Torment and Baldurs Gate II combined.
Another recommendation for Umineko. It's honestly the best piece of fiction I have ever seen, not just the best VN i've ever played. Do get the PS3 patched version, the art is really terrible in the original and the added voice acting is awesome, Beeatreeahche Beatrice's perfect witch cackles and Battler's good old "ahh that's no good, no good at all!" catchphrase are just the highlight of the game for me.

I'll add my other two auto-recommends, Devil on the G-String and Comyu. Both of them are pretty dark with some psychological content, Comyu basically bashes you around the dick with some of its themes, it's heavyhanded but it does have some interesting ideas and executes them well. I really liked how positively the game portrays revenge in Akihito's backstory and the whole "kind kingdom" philosophy that Akihito has in his head is pretty interesting and it fits into the rest of the game nicely.

G-String is a mystery story that pulls off so many perfect plot twists. Devil on the G-String is the thing I point to when someone tries to makes the argument that Visual Novels should just be books. The story would not work without having the layout of a typical main character driven VN.
 

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Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney. Its a great, fun series about Lawyers.
Yes, it is a visual novel.