I was going to talk about Avegners beta, but YongYea analysed it completely the way I wanted

[FakeSympathy]

Just like Yong, I also played the beta on PS4 Pro, and just like Yong, I am concered about the full release of this game.

If you don't want to watch the whole thing, here are key points he made:

• Each hero indeed does feel different with their unique mechanics
• Missions feel repetitive
• Enemy archetypes feel generic, except for the boss fights
• The skill trees, although unique for each hero, is pretty shallow
• The loot system don't feel meaningful; All you are going for is that higher number
• The cosmetics are locked behind paywall
• The presentation is weak, especially with the dialogs sounding like one-liners
• Technical issues such as fps drops, crashes, matchmaking not working at all, Hi-or-miss AI, and clipping through the walls
• The portion of the story in the beta isn't that interesting.

As someone who also tried the beta, I agree with these points 100%. It tries to be a looter game, but the loots feel meaningless. It tries to be an action beat-em-up, but it's just mediocre in that department. It tries to have an interesting story, but the premise is something that I've seen in so many different medium. And keep in mind, the release date is less than a month away, which could mean a lot of things from beta will remain unchanged.

Here are my concerns/suggestions

• With the name like Avengers, you'd think there would be some sort of combo attacks between heroes, like the ones you see in Marvel Ultimate Alliance or like what Thor and Iron man did in Endgame while fighting Thanos. But nothing like than exists
• If Captain America has a fleshed-out movesets, therefore indicating he's playable at some point, what is the point of making players think he's dead?
• There will obviously be biases towards favorite heroes. What is the plan to encourage players to play as other heroes?
• (Not from the beta) I am not quite familiar with the villain MODOK. Is he supposed to be taken seriously? How not go for more well-known villain. Doctor Doom, Ultron, Galactus, Korvac, Baron Zeemos, Thanos, or even Red Skull? Or how about team of superviallins, like the Cabal, Masters of Evil, or Dark Avengers?

IDK, the game exactly doesn't scream "oMg, bUY thIS On LaUNch dAY!!", or even during an eventual sale at the current state. I feel Marvel has been kinda out of touch with the gaming industry for years except for the Spiderman game, and as of now this game won't be continuing the successful lines of Marvel games

EDIT:
I personally wanted this game to be good, and despite the obvious hints that the game will suck, I had this lingering hope. Now I'm glad that I didn't pre-order

 

[happyninja42]

Not really surprised, or worried. Don't really have much invested in this game, so don't really care if it turns out as junk.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Was anyone really thinking this was going to actually be any good? Like were a bunch of people from Rocksteady (Arkham everything) or Insomniac (Spider-Man) working on it?

Seems pretty much a given that any licensed comic franchise is going to be mediocre at best, or at least a huge surprise if something at all better.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

"If Captain America has a fleshed-out movesets, therefore indicating he's playable at some point, what is the point of making players think he's dead?"

What is the point of pretending anybody is dead in any of the movies? Unless your death is computed into an origin story nobody has ever stayed dead, least of all in the MCU.

 

[happyninja42]

Was anyone really thinking this was going to actually be any good?

Honestly that first trailer that mostly focused on Ms. Marvel had me pretty hyped. It looked like it was going to be a nice blend of dramatic, epic, and funny. Subsequent trailers, not so much.

"If Captain America has a fleshed-out movesets, therefore indicating he's playable at some point, what is the point of making players think he's dead?"

What is the point of pretending anybody is dead in any of the movies? Unless your death is computed into an origin story nobody has ever stayed dead, least of all in the MCU.

Because there is a difference in people knowing on a meta level that nobody stays dead in comic books, and people in-universe being confident they will come back.

THEY don't know that Captain America is of course not dead, because he's a major source of revenue for the marvel comics, and thus can't stay dead forever. WE do sure, but they don't.

I mean, I haven't thought ANYONE was actually dead in a comic book movie or tv show in probably close to 20 years. This isn't anything new.

 

[BrawlMan]

Was anyone really thinking this was going to actually be any good? Like were a bunch of people from Rocksteady (Arkham everything) or Insomniac (Spider-Man) working on it?

Seems pretty much a given that any licensed comic franchise is going to be mediocre at best, or at least a huge surprise if something at all better.

Ironic, because I remember some head guy at Marvel saying starting with Spider-Man (PS4) that for now on they would make or ensure good, quality games, and not make the same mistakes in the past. Looks like Square/Disney/Top Marvel guys did not get the memo.

@FakeSympathy Don't like Yong, but I agree with the bullet points.Thank you for listing the bullet points, because I did not want to waste my time on him.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Honestly that first trailer that mostly focused on Ms. Marvel had me pretty hyped. It looked like it was going to be a nice blend of dramatic, epic, and funny. Subsequent trailers, not so much.


Because there is a difference in people knowing on a meta level that nobody stays dead in comic books, and people in-universe being confident they will come back.

THEY don't know that Captain America is of course not dead, because he's a major source of revenue for the marvel comics, and thus can't stay dead forever. WE do sure, but they don't.

I mean, I haven't thought ANYONE was actually dead in a comic book movie or tv show in probably close to 20 years. This isn't anything new.

OP asks what is the point of pretending he's dead, a pretense that is directed at the players, all of whom already know he's alive without the game even being out. Then again I don't know how many times a character has returned from apparent death in-universe to the point nobody should be quick to mourn. Cap, Bucky, Coulson, Fury, Loki... And that's not even counting any of the Infinity War fakeouts.

 

[sXeth]

I posted more in-depth (I mean, as in-depth as this shallow pool gets) in the other thread, so mostly in reply.


MODOK and AIM, while I haven't kept up terribly with current Marvel are generally on par with a lot of your choices. And certainly subcontract any given number of villains (although I suspect the Terrigen Mist superpower giving stuff will be used to provide plenty of not-expensive-license foes.)


The cosmetics in the beta were locked behind challenges and levelups with the hero. While some of these rewarded Skip Challenge points, which seem like an obvious microtransaction vector, there was no indicator of buying them.


As noted in my other post, I'd have to hard disagree. All the heroes feel like the samey melee brawler. Other then (shoddy) flying for Iron Man, you could interchange them and barely notice.

 

[Dalisclock]

I'll admit I don't watch a massive swath of games media but so far I haven't seen anyone who is particularly excited about this. Everyone seems to see it as "Yep, it's a Comics Tie In game"(including myself) and it sounds like the beta is bearing that out.

Ms. Marvel being in it is probably the only thing I find remotely interesting but beyond that....eh.

 

[happyninja42]

I'll admit I don't watch a massive swath of games media but so far I haven't seen anyone who is particularly excited about this. Everyone seems to see it as "Yep, it's a Comics Tie In game"(including myself) and it sounds like the beta is bearing that out.

Ms. Marvel being in it is probably the only thing I find remotely interesting but beyond that....eh.

Yeah, it's funny to me. Like, I LOVE Ms. Marvel, and pretty much all "legacy" heroes, but I really don't like her power set. The stretchy powers has never been that interesting to me. Well, it might be more accurate to say I never like how unimaginative the writers seem to be about how people like Mr. Fantastic and Ms. Marvel use their stretchy powers. It's just BIG HANDS, or BIG FEET! And I FootPunch you with them! And I'm just sitting there like "man, there is just SO much cool shit you could do with that. Also, why would their combat just be "big fisting"? With that kind of elasticity, they could ALWAYS have leverage on an enemy. They should be grappling/aikido/jujitsu trained so they can just constrictor grip enemies and fling them away like some terrifying snake MMA fighter or something." But no, it's just big fist, punchy face.

But THIS trailer, is the one that actually had me intrigued.


I just, loved everything about it. The humor of it, the fan girl nature of young Kamala, her banter with pre-Beard of Sorrow, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark. The implication that it might be like the PS 4 Spidey game, where we play mostly as 1 hero, running around a city, doing stretchy limb parkour instead of web-slinging. And the last bit with the straining sucky straw noises, focused on Bruce's face, panning over to Kamala's just wide eyed enthusiasm. It just seemed so promising at that point. But, it's lost all of that sparkle for me.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Yeah, it's funny to me. Like, I LOVE Ms. Marvel, and pretty much all "legacy" heroes, but I really don't like her power set. The stretchy powers has never been that interesting to me. Well, it might be more accurate to say I never like how unimaginative the writers seem to be about how people like Mr. Fantastic and Ms. Marvel use their stretchy powers. It's just BIG HANDS, or BIG FEET! And I FootPunch you with them! And I'm just sitting there like "man, there is just SO much cool shit you could do with that. Also, why would their combat just be "big fisting"? With that kind of elasticity, they could ALWAYS have leverage on an enemy. They should be grappling/aikido/jujitsu trained so they can just constrictor grip enemies and fling them away like some terrifying snake MMA fighter or something." But no, it's just big fist, punchy face.

But THIS trailer, is the one that actually had me intrigued.


I just, loved everything about it. The humor of it, the fan girl nature of young Kamala, her banter with pre-Beard of Sorrow, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark. The implication that it might be like the PS 4 Spidey game, where we play mostly as 1 hero, running around a city, doing stretchy limb parkour instead of web-slinging. And the last bit with the straining sucky straw noises, focused on Bruce's face, panning over to Kamala's just wide eyed enthusiasm. It just seemed so promising at that point. But, it's lost all of that sparkle for me.

I always wondered why there are so many stretching superheros when the power is almost never used in an interesting way.

Mr. Fantastic
Elastic Man
Plastic Man
Rubber Band Man
Ms. Marvel
The Elongated Man

And those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I always wondered why there are so many stretching superheros when the power is almost never used in an interesting way.

Plastic Man

Plastic Man might not be very interesting, but at the very least, he doesn't use powers as generically as others. Many consider him to be one of the most powerful superheroes in the DC universe, barring all the world-ending Superman level types. I mean he can disguise himself as anything, anyone. He's practically invulnerable to any attack. His powers go far beyond being stretchy.

There's this set of extras from the Justice League: Doomsday movie where Batman records himself talking about how to defeat superheroes should they turn evil, and he mentions that Plastic Man would be an unstoppable force should he turn evil.

OT: This game is indeed a little disappointing for me, but not by much. I like all these characters, but I've never really thought, "Man, I wanna be Black Widow in a video game!". Same for all the others. It doesn't help that this game has a serious case of Generic-itis.

Should be interesting to see how it will stack up against the Suicide Squad game by Rocksteady.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Was anyone really thinking this was going to actually be any good? Like were a bunch of people from Rocksteady (Arkham everything) or Insomniac (Spider-Man) working on it?

To be fair though, nobody expected much from Rocksteady's Batman: Arkham Asylum either. Then it blew everyone away, and now it's like we don't know any different than that Rocksteady is a high quality developer.

But yeah, with this game the writing was on the wall since day-one. The generic visuals that tried to cash in on the popularity of the Marvel movies was already a massive red flag. No attempt it feels was made to make these characters look visually distinct or have any sort of personality to their faces, just generic rip-offs of popular movie characters with flat facial features.

And that's not even commenting on the gameplay; the visual presentation alone makes me want to stay away from this thing.

 

[Trunkage]

So... Marvel's Dynasty Warriors

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Pparently there's another batman game in the works by the team who did 2 of the Arkhum games, called Gotham Knights, set around the court of owls or something. But with a name like that, I can't imagine it being much else other than multiplayer focused online twattery. Another live service to go with this and justice league suicide squad. *tired predictable sigh* hopefully am wrong though. (For some curious reason, this beta made me wanna go back to Arkhum Knight and finish what been started)

 

[BrawlMan]

So... Marvel's Dynasty Warriors

Honestly, dynasty Warriors looks more appealing than this. Most of koei-tecmo's, mediocre or average output looks better compared to Avengers. Like I said before, marvel ultimate alliance 3 looks and plays better than this.

 

[Samtemdo8]

Its sounding like might as well just stick with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 on the Switch

 

[CriticalGaming]

A new round of Marvel's Avengers datamining uncovered a ton of very spoilery characters

Is your favorite in? Just recently a dataminer uncovered several characters in the Marvel’s Avengers beta this past weekend that could...

www.destructoid.com

Here is a datamined list of all upcoming characters currently in the game's files but haven't been announced yet. I wonder how many will be platform exclusives? Considering this game has become more of a corporate whore than a dirty politician.

 

[BrawlMan]

A new round of Marvel's Avengers datamining uncovered a ton of very spoilery characters

Is your favorite in? Just recently a dataminer uncovered several characters in the Marvel’s Avengers beta this past weekend that could...

www.destructoid.com

Here is a datamined list of all upcoming characters currently in the game's files but haven't been announced yet. I wonder how many will be platform exclusives? Considering this game has become more of a corporate whore than a dirty politician.

 

[SilentPony]

"If Captain America has a fleshed-out movesets, therefore indicating he's playable at some point, what is the point of making players think he's dead?"

What is the point of pretending anybody is dead in any of the movies? Unless your death is computed into an origin story nobody has ever stayed dead, least of all in the MCU.

Even then wibbly wobbly space magic. Death in comic books is about as serious as death in Dragon Ball. Even Quicksilver has been dead since Age of Ultron in the MCU, but he's coming back in the Wandavision show so...