Kinda. Some people are comparing this to Doritogate if you recall that. But more people are actually raising the question of how corrupt, bribable and sleazy game journalism is. Problem is since Quinn's sexual news coming out kinda started this whole thing, it keeps looping back to her and how bad the gamers(read customers) are. Throw on the censoring of discussion, most the journalists siding with Quinn or even attacking their own readers for being bad and you have a cocktail of trouble.SonOfVoorhees said:As for Quinn. She fucked some people and cheated on her boyfriend. Really dont give a shit. Or is the issue that they were video game journalists thats the issue?
Well, PAX that's going on is going to be litmus test for how ugly it's going to get. I already have heard accusations of constant "sound problems" whenever audience gets loud in live transmissions. Don't have an idea is that true but if it is, it's gonna turn into internet's equivalent of battle of Verdun in WWI.MerlinCross said:In short, this started ugly, got uglier thanks to both sides, and probably will remain ugly the rest of the year. If not get worse.
I have quite frequently criticized Anita and I have never been called a misogynist, a kid, or had my taste in hats questioned. If we want to move anywhere, we need to stop letting stereotypes rule the discussion.Zipa said:Snip
As long as people here keep the peace and strive to enter dialogue, there'll still be a point.carnex said:Well, PAX that's going on is going to be litmus test for how ugly it's going to get. I already have heard accusations of constant "sound problems" whenever audience gets loud in live transmissions. Don't have an idea is that true but if it is, it's gonna turn into internet's equivalent of battle of Verdun in WWI.MerlinCross said:In short, this started ugly, got uglier thanks to both sides, and probably will remain ugly the rest of the year. If not get worse.
It came across to me more of "yeah, we're sexist, but at least we're doing something anyway."RAiKE8 said:Yeah, this seems less that 4chan actually cares about women in the game industry than trying to get one over the feminazis/"look, we're not sexist, really! Look at all this money we're donating to charity!"
For people still in the dark of what all the fussing is about: this is a great tl;dr version of the whole mess.Agayek said:1) Basically, Zoe Quinn's ex-boyfriend published a blog that outed her as an abusive girlfriend and had proof that she cheated on him with members of the game industry and the gaming press. This sparked some controversy, as Nathan Grayson, a journalist writing for Kotaku and RPS, was named and he had written a couple articles spotlighting her game, Depression Quest. People blew this way out of proportion and became convinced Quinn was trading sexual favors for coverage of her game. There's zero evidence of that and it almost certainly didn't happen, but that won't stop the internet.
The more interesting part is the other stuff that the allegations and the investigations into them revealed, namely that there's a worrying closeness between gaming journalism and the devs they cover and there are frequent undisclosed conflicts of interest behind the scenes of many articles that were published. The recent furor is mostly about that topic and journalistic integrity, with a small but extremely vocal subset on both sides repeatedly trying to drag it back onto the sex and feminism topics that everyone with sense has long since abandoned.
You've never even been there once or know anything else they've done, I can tell just from seeing this one post.Arnoxthe1 said:One good deed does not redeem a man from a lifetime of wickedness.
Sorry, 4Chan. And yes, I know they've done some other good things but the bad things far outweigh the good.
Why does this seem at all unusual to you? It's called "damage control" or "public relations". The idea is to change one's image through one's actions. It would be like if Hitler financed a Holocaust museum. Or if Israel agreed to a cease fire with Hamas.Olas said:If the goal was merely to spite certain people /v/ could have done so in a whole manner of ways that weren't constructive and didn't cost them any money. The creation of Vivian and the supporting of a charity to promote female involvement in game development was clearly done to counter accusations of misogyny.
You can say they wouldn't have done it if they didn't have pressure to do so, but neither would most people, including many people who identify as feminists, otherwise this thing would have been funded in no time. And the way I see it, people who want to avoid a certain label, are usually not very fond of the label, and by extension what it represents. If they were truly misogynistic, it doesn't seem like something they would do. It's kind of like a KKK member donating money to the NAACP to try and prove they aren't racist.