INDMUSIC Responds to False ContentID Claims with YouTube, TuneCore

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INDMUSIC Responds to False ContentID Claims with YouTube, TuneCore

INDMUSIC and TuneCore state they had given artists notification of the mandatory policy change that prompted many copyright claims to be made on artists' behalf.

Copyright law was intended to encourage the creation of art to grant artists exclusive rights to their work. As seen with YouTube's recent policy change to claiming of videos, copyright law as it is now can also stifle creativity.

The Escapist's his YouTube channel with his own content stricken with third party claims from INDMUSIC [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/miracle-of-sound], a large music network on YouTube. Dunne was one of several artists affected by automated content monitoring and claims sent by INDMUSIC with whom distributor TuneCore recently partnered.

In a TuneCore blog post [http://blog.tunecore.com/2013/12/your-youtube-questions-answered.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=yt_qs_answered] published yesterday, TuneCore stated INDMUSIC is claiming videos on behalf of TuneCore, which TuneCore is doing as a service on behalf of artists signed up with the company for a publishing deal. "When it comes to YouTube monetization, a synchronization license and a license for the sound recording are both needed to generate revenue, and per our terms and conditions, we can license both if the composition was distributed by TuneCore," the post states.

Because ContentID is an automated process, TuneCore does not plan to rework the current system, INDMUSIC CEO Brandon Martinez told The Escapist. Artists, however, can whitelist their YouTube channel, and doing so ensures they "will see absolutely no claims placed on their own content and, therefore, no revenue deducted from their earnings."

Dunne reported yesterday he was losing 20% on ad revenue from his videos due to the copyright claims. A representative from INDMUSIC has clarified to The Escapist that money for disputed videos are accrued and frozen by YouTube until the matter is resolved. The representative also insisted TuneCore provided information to all of its artists before the policy changed and Dunne "didn't care to read them."

"I have searched my email inbox and have not found one single email that states there would be a mandatory change to the terms and conditions," Dunne replied. Emails he's received from TuneCore detailed growing revenue on YouTube, but Dunne said he has not been able to find any information about the policy change in these emails. "I may have indeed missed it and would be happy to have it re-sent, but it seems odd that so many others did too... it seems like a massive communication breakdown."

In the past, TuneCore did not have plans to monetize YouTube videos, and if it ever did, artists would be given the option to opt in or out of the service, composer Steven Cravis detailed in emails between himself and TuneCore he posted online [http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2013/12/18/tunecorepredatory ]. Cravis also notes TuneCore had not sent him any warning of the mandatory policy change.

It took Dunne over a day to clear the claims on his videos, but others are still emailing INDMUSIC and waiting for a response. The INDMUSIC representative told The Escapist, "INDMUSIC was very active in responding to Gavin and anyone else who had issues."

"Sadly I have heard reports from many YouTubers who claim the direct opposite of this," Gavin said, "including one or two who got claims for using my music and had to plead with me to email INDMUSIC for them as they were coming up against a brick wall or just not getting any response." Dunne supposes this lack of responsiveness is due to a massive flood of emails to the company.

"Both INDMUSIC and TuneCore have been tirelessly responding to tweets and e-mails from TuneCore artists, as well as YouTube content creators," Martinez said. "The night of the biggest disruption, I personally stayed in the office until midnight to make sure that every person who emailed us via our contact form or our outreach email received a response."

Dunne and other independent composers have given permission to others to use their music in videos. To remove any false copyright claims made on videos where the video creator had permission from the artist, Martinez said, "If a creator has permission to use a song and monetize their video, they need to state as much when disputing a video. They should provide as much detail as possible, including an email address so either INDMUSIC or TuneCore can reach out if necessary. We want to work with everyone to resolve these issues.

Dunne notes his experience with TuneCore before this incident has been fruitful for both parties and asks everyone to avoid abusing or insulting employees of INDMUSIC and TuneCore. "I very much hope this situation is resolved amicably for all musicians and that TuneCore can continue to provide us the great service it has done for the last few years," he said.

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Compatriot Block

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The weirdest part of this meltdown is how it all happened at once. They're going to lose way more content creators this way than they would have if they had gradually introduced changes.

Hell, if TBFP or Birgirpall bail to a different website, I'll jump ship in a heartbeat.
 

Atmos Duality

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Compatriot Block said:
The weirdest part of this meltdown is how it all happened at once.
And that reason alone is why I dismiss those who defend youtube with "But this is the system they've had in place since ."

The scale of youtube is so great that full policing is just not feasible.
With automation, the number of false positives is overwhelming.
Without automation, it's more "wild west".
 

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What's shit is that INDMUSIC is starting to take ad revenue from videos that aren't even being monetized to begin with. I think the VVVVVV trailer is one such video - So a company that isn't Terry Cavanagh or Souleye is now taking money for an advertisement of a product they have no hand in. Love it!
 

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"Sir! Some people are making money by using the works of others in derivative fashion!"
"This is intolerable! Get a system in place at once to combat this!"
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"Sir! Some people are using our new system to claim ad revenue from the original works of others!"
"...well, what can you do?" *shrugs*
 

klaynexas3

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Dear 4chan, we have little use for YouTube anymore. Not that I'm condoning illegal activities, but if you're going to, there is little we can do to stop you, we just think that you should choose wisely what you want go after next.

Sincerely, Internet.
 

Pebkio

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I don't care how ammicable the dealings were before this... INDMUSIC and TuneCore are acting like corporate pirates. "Yar har har, let's just claim everything as infringing copywrite because we get all that ad revenue without having to show any drop of proof." What makes it worse is that they then wait and wait and wait and don't respond and go AS LONG AS THEY CAN before they "correct" their "mistake". And just because some thief let you know in advanced that they're going to take your money doesn't mean they're being any less of a thief.

I know everyone is trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but it doesn't change the fact that they are making off like bandits.
 

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At the end of the day, you can't leave it up to automated systems, no matter how lazy you are. There are videos that cannot be lumped into blanket 'allowed' and 'not allowed' destinctions. There are videos that somebody, a thinking, breathing human being is going to have to sit down and watch and decide whether or not they will let slide.
It doesn't seem like a lot of a work and money for these huge companies to employ a person, or a very small team whos job it is to simply be in touch with the online community, and go around checking out all the possible infringments, and decide based on etablished policy (policy that never needs to leave the companies' ears, so as not to make them legally vulnerable for choosing not to act on possible infringments) needs to be removed and what is ultimately harmless or even advantagous to them.
But you can't leave it up to automated systems. Not the ones we have now anyway.
 

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Shuu said:
At the end of the day, you can't leave it up to automated systems, no matter how lazy you are. There are videos that cannot be lumped into blanket 'allowed' and 'not allowed' destinctions. There are videos that somebody, a thinking, breathing human being is going to have to sit down and watch and decide whether or not they will let slide.
It doesn't seem like a lot of a work and money for these huge companies to employ a person, or a very small team whos job it is to simply be in touch with the online community, and go around checking out all the possible infringments, and decide based on etablished policy (policy that never needs to leave the companies' ears, so as not to make them legally vulnerable for choosing not to act on possible infringments) needs to be removed and what is ultimately harmless or even advantagous to them.
But you can't leave it up to automated systems. Not the ones we have now anyway.
I think I read somewhere that around 6000 hours of footage are uploaded to YouTube every day, so it would be nearly impossible to have real people check everything.
 

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Shuu said:
It doesn't seem like a lot of a work and money for these huge companies to employ a person, or a very small team whos job it is to simply be in touch with the online community
According to youtube "100 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute" how the fuck can one man or small team monitor that? Millions of videos of all categories uploaded constantly that have to be watched and judged for infringements ... that is just youtube, not that I know them but there must be other sites like youtube that would have to have the same set up. That is just the freshly uploaded content, what about all the stuff that has been uploaded, where would you even start?

Your small team would have to be a continent of people to process all that content. That is no life for any person, watching millions and millions of cat, fail, make up, game play, prank and music video ... insanity would set in after a month! It's just cruel and unusual punishment!
 

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Compatriot Block said:
Shuu said:
At the end of the day, you can't leave it up to automated systems, no matter how lazy you are. There are videos that cannot be lumped into blanket 'allowed' and 'not allowed' destinctions. There are videos that somebody, a thinking, breathing human being is going to have to sit down and watch and decide whether or not they will let slide.
It doesn't seem like a lot of a work and money for these huge companies to employ a person, or a very small team whos job it is to simply be in touch with the online community, and go around checking out all the possible infringments, and decide based on etablished policy (policy that never needs to leave the companies' ears, so as not to make them legally vulnerable for choosing not to act on possible infringments) needs to be removed and what is ultimately harmless or even advantagous to them.
But you can't leave it up to automated systems. Not the ones we have now anyway.
I think I read somewhere that around 6000 hours of footage are uploaded to YouTube every day, so it would be nearly impossible to have real people check everything.
omega 616 said:
According to youtube "100 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute" how the fuck can one man or small team monitor that? Millions of videos of all categories uploaded constantly that have to be watched and judged for infringements ... that is just youtube, not that I know them but there must be other sites like youtube that would have to have the same set up. That is just the freshly uploaded content, what about all the stuff that has been uploaded, where would you even start?

Your small team would have to be a continent of people to process all that content. That is no life for any person, watching millions and millions of cat, fail, make up, game play, prank and music video ... insanity would set in after a month! It's just cruel and unusual punishment!
I was thinking more like somebody to simply react to what the automated system finds, but they are the ones who must choose whether or not to act on it. Doesn't matter how many bajillions of hours of footage are uploaded every second, unless their systems are so bad that every second of that footage is flagged, I think it would be managable.
 

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Actually there is only 2 real problems. MCNs got to greedy and took up to many channels. MCNs need to release their non-managed affiliates out of the contracts. The Game Industry has to come together recognize that Youtube and Twitch are not a threat and license deals with the current and new MCNs.

Second problem is the waiting period for content-ID appeals should be reduced from 1 month to 1 week.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Compatriot Block said:
The weirdest part of this meltdown is how it all happened at once.
And that reason alone is why I dismiss those who defend youtube with "But this is the system they've had in place since ."

The scale of youtube is so great that full policing is just not feasible.
With automation, the number of false positives is overwhelming.
Without automation, it's more "wild west".
YouTube warned the Multi Channel Networks months ago. That's why the details of this have been running around since October. The only thing that's changed is the McN's are targeted by the bots that had been ignoring them. The McN bot free networks were rejected because Fullscreen and others refused to pay any royalties or work out a deal with copyright holders.
 

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Baldr said:
Actually there is only 2 real problems. MCNs got to greedy and took up to many channels. MCNs need to release their non-managed affiliates out of the contracts. The Game Industry has to come together recognize that Youtube and Twitch are not a threat and license deals with the current and new MCNs.

Second problem is the waiting period for content-ID appeals should be reduced from 1 month to 1 week.
Actually their is a third problem, and that is that the current auto-detect system is completely broken and needs to be fixed. You can flag a video on YouTube and you don't have to provide any paperwork or proof that you or the company you are representing actually own the rights to whatever is in the video you are flagging.
 

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klaynexas3 said:
Dear 4chan, we have little use for YouTube anymore. Not that I'm condoning illegal activities, but if you're going to, there is little we can do to stop you, we just think that you should choose wisely what you want go after next.

Sincerely, Internet.
Please don't ever post such ridiculous and malevolent silliness again, kthx.

OT: Glad to see they're working on it. If every other company responds like this, we might be able to see the whole issue put straight.
 

FalloutJack

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Oh look. It was all the actions of a greedy and generally stupidly-mismanaged corporation. What a tremendous shocker as to the identity of who could make life hell for so many people with so ridiculous a system. I can hardly contain my abject surprise.

Or...you know...it could be Thursday. Seriously, can we get these people bagged, tagged, and released back into the wild so we can predict their asinine movements and STOP THEM?
 

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In typical corporate fashion they copped out, spewed lines from contracts and refused to change to better their own cause for the sake of profits.
 

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Appalling. @TuneCore [https://twitter.com/TuneCore] are refusing to release claims on remixes by other people. This is theft, plain and simple.

— Much Weebl (@TheWeebl) December 20, 2013 [https://twitter.com/TheWeebl/statuses/413844358257864704]

That's from Weebl (the guy that did the badger song) even though he doesn't want fan remixes to be claimed tunecore is doing it anyway. When I watch the videos he makes I want him to have all the money he can get because frankly I find him brilliant. Not give 20% of it to some greedy business cock-heads with no input into his animations.
 

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Artists need to leave Tunecore inn droves. And sue the hell out of them.
A previous amicable relationship affords them exactly 30 minutes from the time they reviret a mail from an artist like Gav.
After that it's willful copyright infringement.